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I didn't want to take the Godhead thread off topic so I'll make a new thread for this discussion :)
now He sits "at the right hand of God" ... but that doesn't necessarily mean God is sitting on the throne and Jesus is sitting next to Him, The place of Jesus as the lamb of God is the only way you will get to God, all GOd's power runs through that channel, so that is why Jesus is at the right hand of God.
My question is, is the Lamb of God sitting at the right hand of God, or has he climbed on the throne with God coming down on the earth?
The reason for asking this is in Revelations 5 the Lamb climbs on the throne after breaking the seals, now Brother Branham had the seven seals revealed to him by those seven angels that visited him. Meaning that Revelations 5 has happened and the Lamb is currently sitting on the throne yes? Therefore God has come down on the earth?
The two scriptures my pastor often refers to when talking on this topic is 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (God descending) and Revelations 10:1-7 (that being the seventh seal)
Sorry if I took your quote out of context in anyway or misinterpreted it Brother T but I would have asked this question eventually anyway ;)
Angelo
06-23-2006, 12:57 AM
My question is, is the Lamb of God sitting at the right hand of God, or has he climbed on the throne with God coming down on the earth?
The reason for asking this is in Revelations 5 the Lamb climbs on the throne after breaking the seals, now Brother Branham had the seven seals revealed to him by those seven angels that visited him. Meaning that Revelations 5 has happened and the Lamb is currently sitting on the throne yes? Therefore God has come down on the earth?
Okey, let me lighten things out for Bro T before he wraps it up. The first question is, "has he climbed on the throne with God coming down on the earth?"
...now He sits "at the right hand of God" ... but that doesn't necessarily mean God is sitting on the throne and Jesus is sitting next to Him, The place of Jesus as the lamb of God is the only way you will get to God, all GOd's power runs through that channel, so that is why Jesus is at the right hand of God.
The purpose why the Lamb is seated on the throne is to serve as the perfect atonement for the church to be redeemed. After the ascent of Jesus Christ to heaven, the church ages began.
We all know that God works only through the Holy Spirit in the church ages because the Lamb has to stay seated on the throne until the last predestinated seed comes in.
24-1 THE.REVELATION.OF.JESUS.CHRIST - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.1
In Revelation 15:3 it says,
"And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the LAMB, saying, Great and marvelous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of Saints."
Do you see it? The LAMB, the High Priest holding His blood as an atonement on the mercy seat for our sins is the Lord God Almighty. That is His present office. That is what He is doing now, pleading His blood for our sins. But one day that Lamb will become the Lion of the Tribe of Juda. He will come forth in power and glory and take His authority to reign as King. He is the coming King of this earth. Of course, that does not say He is not King now. For He is our King, King of the Saints. Right now it is a spiritual kingdom. It is not of this world system even as we are not of this world. That's the reason we act different from the world. Our citizenship is in heaven. We reflect the Spirit of the world of our rebirth where Jesus is the King. That is why our women do not dress in men's clothing or cut their hair or use all those cosmetics and other things that the world likes so much. That is why our men don't drink and smoke and carry on in sin. Our dominion is the dominion over sin and it is in force through the power that is in the Spirit of Christ That in-dwells us. Every kingdom on earth is going to be torn down, but ours will remain.
BroTrevor
06-23-2006, 10:44 AM
Uhm... I liked what Angelo had to say.
I'm not following your original train of thought Jezz. As the lamb IS God, how can the lamb be on the throne, while "God" is on earth.
Can you clarify this??? Because I've never heard of such before.
joris
06-23-2006, 11:14 AM
I'm not following your original train of thought Jezz. As the lamb IS God, how can the lamb be on the throne, while "God" is on earth.God (Holy Spirit) is ofcourse on earth while the lamb (Jesus) is on the throne, but I'm not sure that's what he meant?
AgapZoe
06-23-2006, 11:22 AM
mmmmh,ineteresting topic!
Today I was listening to a certain cd and isn't it paradoxical? 'He is the Lamb who is The King...The Beginning yet the End....etc"..What I get from all this is that He is Everything!
hope am not too offtopic!!! ;)
Angelo
06-23-2006, 11:40 AM
Uhm... I liked what Angelo had to say.
Thank you Bro T.
God bless you Sis Halima. :)
Uhm... I liked what Angelo had to say.
I'm not following your original train of thought Jezz. As the lamb IS God, how can the lamb be on the throne, while "God" is on earth.
Can you clarify this??? Because I've never heard of such before.
I will try to clarify this soon, I'll have to make sure I understand it correctly first. The Lord has been correcting a great deal of my thinking lately, perhaps this is another correction, perhaps not. Anyway I shall ask some questions at church and then get back to you :)
AgapZoe
06-23-2006, 12:00 PM
Thank you Bro T.
God bless you Sis Halima. :)
Amen bro....haev to rush to church....bye and God bless you.
chocolateismybestfriend
06-23-2006, 12:04 PM
Bro Branham's ministry was to declare that He is here.
FROM.THAT.TIME_ SPOKANE.WA FRIDAY_ 62-0713
But my ministry is a different ministry from a pastor or teacher. I'm--I'm not. And if I say things wrong, brethren, forgive me. I don't mean it. But this is my ministry (See?) to declare Him, that He's here.
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For Bro Branham to say that his MINISTRY (his whole purpose, his whole ministry) is to declare that He is HERE. I believe that to be that God, Himself is present on earth.
I will not say anything more on the subject, i do not think its my place to.
.... ;)
Uhm... I liked what Angelo had to say.
I'm not following your original train of thought Jezz. As the lamb IS God, how can the lamb be on the throne, while "God" is on earth.
Can you clarify this??? Because I've never heard of such before.
THE.SEAL.OF.GOD_ JEFF.IN V-26 N-4 FRIDAY_ 54-0514
33 Now we find, before we approach this, that, "There is no man in heaven, no man was on earth, or no man beneath the earth, was worthy to take the Book, or to open It, or to loose the Seals thereof." No man! John saw it in the Revelation. And we're teaching Revelations now. And John wept. But there was a Lamb that had been slain from the foundation of the world; He was worthy to come and take the Book out of the right hand of Him that set upon the throne, and to open the Book, and to loose the Seals thereof. And that Lamb, of course, was Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And now, if He is the only One that's worthy...
So my train of thought is this:
The Seven Seals are opened (Revelations 5)
The Son (the Lamb) climbs on the throne
God comes down upon the earth (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
God comes down 1933 on the Ohio River (when Brother Branham was baptising that one time)
There is silence in heaven for half an hour when the seventh seal is opened, thats 21 years on earth. I can't remember the significance of that actually, it must be a message that Brother Branham took in 1954. I'll have to go ask my dad about that tomorrow.Ok the train has pulled into the station and has stopped for now
Angelo
06-23-2006, 01:42 PM
The Seventh seal is a very broad subject to talk about, and it's very interesting.
I'm not quite sure if I get the jist of the conversation. Of course God is on the earth - of course he is on the throne. He is omnipresent.
FreeAtLast
06-23-2006, 04:37 PM
Jezz and chocolate_is_my_best_friend:
Please do not be offended.
But I have a feeling that your thoughts are coming mainly from Bro. Lee Vayle´s teaching and not so much from Bro. Branham´s.
It´s called the parushia (spelling?) doctrine.
Some ppl don´t believe that the lamb is on the throne anymore - and that we are at the white thrown judgement... etc...
there are all kind of different ankles to that doctrine.
But the question is:
What does the Bible and Bro. Branham say though?
God'schild
06-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Jezz and chocolate_is_my_best_friend:
Please do not be offended.
But I have a feeling that your thoughts are coming mainly from Bro. Lee Vayle´s teaching and not so much from Bro. Branham´s.
It´s called the parushia (spelling?) doctrine.
Some ppl don´t believe that the lamb is on the throne anymore - and that we are at the white thrown judgement... etc...
there are all kind of different ankles to that doctrine.
But the question is:
What does the Bible and Bro. Branham say though?
AMEN AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the truth.
FreeAtLast
06-23-2006, 05:29 PM
So my train of thought is this:
The Seven Seals are opened (Revelations 5)
The Son (the Lamb) climbs on the throne
This is definitely not what the bible and Bro. Branham teach.
The lamb didn´t climb on the throne when the seven seals were opened. (who said that?)
Hebrews 4: 14 - 16
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
He was there before 1963. No doubt!!!
And before 1933.
And He still is!!!
God comes down upon the earth (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
God comes down 1933 on the Ohio River (when Brother Branham was baptising that one time)
There is silence in heaven for half an hour when the seventh seal is opened, thats 21 years on earth. I can't remember the significance of that actually, it must be a message that Brother Branham took in 1954. I'll have to go ask my dad about that tomorrow.
This not according to the Word of God and Bro. Branham definitely did NOT teach that!!!
BroTrevor
06-23-2006, 05:57 PM
This is definitely not what the bible and Bro. Branham teach.
The lamb didn´t climb on the throne when the seven seals were opened. (who said that?)
Hebrews 4: 14 - 16
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
He was there before 1963. No doubt!!!
And before 1933.
And He still is!!!
This not according to the Word of God and Bro. Branham definitely did NOT teach that!!!
Yeah, I'm having a few problems getting all those points out too...
Uhm... my other thought on this is... what does it matter? What practical use is knowing "who is where" going to aid me in my Christian walk..
I'm just not following...
FreeAtLast
06-23-2006, 06:06 PM
hmmmmm
I get what you are saying Bro. Trevor.
But I believe it is also important to know that the Lamb is still on the throne - His blood is still there to atone for our sins.
Once the lamb has left the throne - the time of mercy will be over.
joris
06-23-2006, 06:09 PM
Once the lamb has left the throne - the time of mercy will be over.I guess we'll surely know when time is over, right? :embarrassed:
Angelo
06-23-2006, 06:22 PM
Yes, you'll know it brother. :ok:
God'schild
06-23-2006, 06:27 PM
Yes, you'll know it brother. :ok:
How??
I believe we will know it.
I believe The Bride will be gone in the rapture before the time of mercy is over.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
joris
06-23-2006, 07:44 PM
I believe The Bride will be gone in the rapture before the time of mercy is over.I thought branham mentioned that, but I don't know exactly...
something about, Joseph (son of Israel) was a type of this, God first coming to the heathens, then to Israel... but I don't know too well
Angelo
06-23-2006, 10:39 PM
How??
I believe we will know it.
I believe The Bride will be gone in the rapture before the time of mercy is over.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
That is correct sister. We will know the time is near when the squeezing time arrives and the changing of the body occur.
Then yes Bro Joris, Joseph's story is a perfect type of all the things that will happen during that time.
AlanaH
08-24-2006, 10:33 PM
Jezz and chocolate_is_my_best_friend:
Please do not be offended.
But I have a feeling that your thoughts are coming mainly from Bro. Lee Vayle´s teaching and not so much from Bro. Branham´s.
It´s called the parushia (spelling?) doctrine.
Some ppl don´t believe that the lamb is on the throne anymore - and that we are at the white thrown judgement... etc...
there are all kind of different ankles to that doctrine.
But the question is:
What does the Bible and Bro. Branham say though?
That's what I was thinking it was too....have to check on this some more...
God'schild
08-24-2006, 11:41 PM
I thought branham mentioned that, but I don't know exactly...
something about, Joseph (son of Israel) was a type of this, God first coming to the heathens, then to Israel... but I don't know too well
Joris you got that right..
Yes that teaching does come from Brother Vayle who I believe is a true Teacher and I do believe the Parousia and yes I've looked at what the Bible and Brother Branham said about it and that is why I believe the Parousia :-)
God'schild
08-25-2006, 12:20 AM
you have to relise that revelations 1-3 talks about the church ages. an in revelations 4 the bride goes up and doesn't return untill the 19 chapter so the chapters between revelations 4 and 19 are talking about the jews and not the bride..
Our pastor spoke on this and we also listened to the church ages at church..
so we have to relise that God is still on the throne he is on earth only in the HOLY SPIRIT!!!
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