Questions and Answers

[Jezz]

Ok i've got the questions and hopefully you'll give me the answers :-p

Would Eve have risen with the rest of the Old Testament saints in the first resurrection? Given that she must have been a seed of God (Cain being the first peverted human, the first of the serpent seed) her soul cannot have sinned (1 John 3:9), so does she get judged in the second resurrection? or did she arise in the first resurrection?

Why was there a first resurrection? This one I'm not sure about at all, I haven't done any research on it... yet. But I'm very curious. And where did the Old Testament saints go after that first resurrection? the sixth dimension? that is where they would have been waiting already. So they came back down to earth to collect their Theophonic (spelling?) boies?

The saints from other church ages, when do they get judged? If they arise in the rapture, then they must have already been judged. We know it's White Throne now for the Bride, was it the same for previous church ages?

I think that about covers it... for now any way

[joris]

The saints from other church ages, when do they get judged? If they arise in the rapture, then they must have already been judged. We know it's White Throne now for the Bride, was it the same for previous church ages?uhm... doesn't going into His Kingdom (becoming christian) set you free from judgement (as Jesus took that on Himself) ?

[NeedGod]

in my opinion, which by the way is not necessarily right, eve did rise. remember the prophet said adam didnt have to sin but just ate the apple to save eve? well, he cant have done it in vain. and seeing as she was from adam, then she wasnt from the sepernt and therefore she musta been from eternity for adam was from eternity. she cant perish then as she was there before the foundations of the earth
please do correct me if iam wrong because i feel as though i used reasoning on that one.

[Angelo]

Let's see, the first question is:
"Would Eve have risen with the rest of the Old Testament saints in the first resurrection?"

I believe Adam tought his family to worship God or call upon the name of the Lord. After Abel was murdered, worship continued with them, and only Cain was cast out. In fact, in Gen 4:26
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
If Eve did not repent of what she had done, or subjected himself to Adam, or she didn't have that seed gene of God in her heart, or joined up in the prayer meetings that the family had: Adam being the preacher, well, probably she'll go to the place of the lost souls. But if otherwise, she has all the rights to be in Paradise.

"Would Eve have risen with the rest of the Old Testament saints in the first resurrection?

The first resurrection happens only in our time, and is only applicable to the Gentile Bride. Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death (Lake of Fire) hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
So, who shall reign with Him a thousand years? I think it's the Gentile bride. A specific dispensation was alotted by God for the Gentiles to take out a special people for His name which shall have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I hope I helped somehow.

[BroTrevor]

WHAT.DOES.IT.TAKE.TO.MAKE.A.CHRISTIAN.LIFE_ CHICAGO.IL SUNDAY_ 57-0113
But he told her, and she said, "Now, wait, God has said..."
But he said, "Surely..." And then, whatever it was, the act was committed. And then she enticed her husband, him knowing it was wrong. And Adam walked out of the garden of Eden because the love of his wife; which was a type of Christ, knowing no sin, come down and was made sin for His Church, walked right out knowing what he was doing. "I have power to lay it down or take it up." He walked out knowing what he was doing and was partakers of our transgression that He might redeem us back. What a beautiful picture.


and also note...

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E-36 But He went anyhow because there was one soul calling for Him. Just think, crossed that stormy lake, over across there to find one soul in need; that was His love for one needy soul. He will come from glory tonight to this school auditorium for one needy soul that'll believe Him.
And so then, when sin came in, it separated man from fellowship. Notice what God did to bring man back to fellowship. He introduced to the world a Blood redemption. God killed animals and put for their skin, showing a blood redemption. And there God, after being separated from His--from His creatures, God laid out the welcome mat back home by the shedding of the blood. And that was then, and has been, and will always be, God's provided preparation for fellowship with Him is through the shed Blood.

Adam and Eve had a blood sacrafice, just as all the old testament saints throughout the ages.

<gasp> EVE?? Saved by blood?? But she was the first one to sin!! Surely she would be bound for hell!!

NOPE!!!

Because God MADE A WAY!! It doesn't matter who, what, where, or why... if you want God's salvation, He makes a way for you. Even Eve could be saved, even the thief on the cross, even the ones who spit in Jesus face, beat him with rods, and drove spikes into his hand.

It is not of works, it is all by the Grace of Jesus.

Now, Eve did not have the Blood of Jesus, but she and her husband offered sacrafice to God for the covering of their sin, I don't see why she wouldn't be in paradise.


Whooo... that's just phase one of this thread. It's going to take alot of research on all the rest of the questions.

Keep it up Angelo, Jezz, Joris and others... it's good stuff.


(P.S. The first resurrection was when Jesus rose from the dead I believe...one could speculate about Enoch or Elijah, but I believe the first general resurrection was with Jesus when he rose from the dead)

[Angelo]

(P.S. The first resurrection was when Jesus rose from the dead I believe...one could speculate about Enoch or Elijah, but I believe the first general resurrection was with Jesus when he rose from the dead)
Is it not the new birth?

[BroTrevor]

Is it not the new birth?


resurrection?? that might be a spiritual resurrection, I think we're more talking physical resurrection here aren't we?

[FreeAtLast]

The saints from other church ages, when do they get judged? If they arise in the rapture, then they must have already been judged. We know it's White Throne now for the Bride, was it the same for previous church ages?

I think that about covers it... for now any way

The true saints from those other church-ages are as much bride as we are.
Before the rapture happens they will rise up and will appear to those that are still alive and then we all will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air.

And I don´t think that it is White Throne for the Bride now. Did the bible or Bro. Branham teach that? I don´t think so!

The bride will not be judged because Jesus took our judgement upon himself when he died on calvary. He paid the full prize. For there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. And how do we get in Christ Jesus? By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body!

[Angelo]

Amen to that FreeAtLast,
Hebrews 1:3
He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the [a]out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God's] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on highresurrection?? that might be a spiritual resurrection, I think we're more talking physical resurrection here aren't we?
Oh, that's right. My mistake.

[redeemed]

in my opinion, which by the way is not necessarily right, eve did rise. remember the prophet said adam didnt have to sin but just ate the apple to save eve? well, he cant have done it in vain. and seeing as she was from adam, then she wasnt from the sepernt and therefore she musta been from eternity for adam was from eternity. she cant perish then as she was there before the foundations of the earth
please do correct me if iam wrong because i feel as though i used reasoning on that one.

it was not actual fruit that they ate, it was a blood sin (that's were cain came from.) (is that correct??)

[BroTrevor]

it was not actual fruit that they ate, it was a blood sin (that's were cain came from.) (is that correct??)

That would be correct...

The serpent and Eve produced Cain
Adam and Eve produced Abel.

[redeemed]

thanks! that's what i thought but i wanted to make sure.

[Jezz]

The bride will not be judged because Jesus took our judgement upon himself when he died on calvary. He paid the full prize. For there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. And how do we get in Christ Jesus? By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body!

The Bride will be judged, how can God being just not judge the Bride? They are pronounced not guilty however. So there is no condemnation, because there is nothing to condemn us. I found two quotes saying the Bride will never be judged, and I found two quotes where he said they are already judged.

"Then look. You say, "Well, now, Brother Branham, do you mean to tell me there's going to be--the--that people that's going to be there at the white throne judgment?" They'll... The Bride will never be judged. No, sir. She's in Christ. How do you get in Christ? "By one Spirit we are all baptized into one Body." Is that right?"

"The woman's seed was into outer darkness, right, but not--not the elected Church. It, It's already judged and purified, because It's in Christ. It don't have to go through anything else. The others has to go through judgment because they wasn't in."

"Now we can see why the redeemed (bought back by original owner) bride (she was in Him as Eve was in Adam) cannot ever have her 'member-names' taken off the record. She is part of Him. She is in the throne. She can never be judged. Every one in the bride is a member of Him and He loses none."

"If you're filled with the Holy Ghost this morning, and God's power is moving in every fiber of your body, what good would it do for you to stand in the judgment? You're already judged, and been received, and filled, and already--already translated into heavenly places with Christ Jesus. Not you will be, you are now, right now translated."

[Angelo]

Wonderful quotes. It just shows that the bride obtains perfect peace before God through the cross, the perfect atonement. He became me, so that I might become Him by grace. We were judged because of what He has done for us.

And we are identified with Him through the Holy Spirit, by dying and purging ourselves to let Him work and manifest through us.

LOOK_ PHOENIX.AZ SUNDAY_ 63-0428
33 And that's what the church, today, and what I want to point to you, that we need a cleansing. Before anything can begin from God, we got to have a purging. And when we look and see things that is now, under the present conditions existing the way they are, we can see that we got to have something to happen before God can continue His program, and a purging. Many of us, I say, might look back to...
Also here, Bro Branham compares with the 144,000.
THE.FIRST.SEAL_ JEFF.IN MONDAY_ 63-0318
134-4 {120} Notice, these type, the reason they die out, they go through the purging of trial of the tribulation; because they're not actually under the Blood. They claim they are, but they're not. How can they(bride) go through a trial to purify them when the--when the bleach Blood of Jesus Christ takes every symptom of sin and stuff away from you. And you're already dead, and your life is hid in Him through God and sealed in there by the Holy Ghost; what are you going to be judged for? Where you going to get your purification? What do you have to be purified from when you're perfectly in Christ, sinless? How... What's the judgment for? But it's this sleeping bunch that them people can't make out.

[joris]

Jezz, if I understand your quotes already, the bride will not be judged, as she already was -- and when? Jezus was judged and found to be not guilty. That... we got that too
just tell me if I'm telling nonsence now, just thinking aloud

[joris]

Gal5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. http://www.biblija.net/images/opomba.gif (javascript:note('ly000003','img000003');) ye...: or, fulfil not
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now... we know we don't want to fulfil the lust of the flesh; (also, I read somewhere, one has to start with walking in the Spirit, otherwise you are not able not to fulfilling lust of flesh)
my question here is... well... could we discus, how is walking in the Spirit? maybe a bit of, how do you do that... :embarrassed:

[BroTrevor]

ALL.THE.DAYS.OF.OUR.LIFE_ CHICAGO.IL FRIDAY_ 59-0612
E-15 I trust that the church will understand this: that we have no right to use our own thinking about things. When we become Christians, we totally surrender every bit of our mental powers to God and follow after His leading. And as long as we try to go after our own feeling, then we are using the fallen state of the being.
'Cause God led Adam before the fall; and after the fall, Adam wanted to lead God. Now, God provided Adam a way, but he didn't want that way. He wanted to make himself a religion. And as we see that he--he wanted to do it himself. He wasn't willing to wait on God, and say, "Lord, You led me before this. And now I'm fallen; I'm lost. Now, help me and show me how to get back to You, Lord." We'd have never had all this trouble we got today.
ALL.THE.DAYS.OF.OUR.LIFE_ CHICAGO.IL FRIDAY_ 59-0612
E-16 And if man will just come that close to God, that when you're lost, don't try to find your way back. Just surrender to Him, and He will lead you back. Don't try to figure it out. That's--that's the mental powers.

Hrmm... I'm looking for another. The basic idea is try to get yourself out of the way, and then seek God...then He will lead you...might be just a feeling in your heart, but all the while, in your heart you are telling God, Lord, I feel to go this way, just please show me where I might be wrong...if I'm not right.

You are yielded... that's the key. Yielded to Him. Always... halfway into things if you start thinking "yeah, I got this figured out...I'll do this and this and this...surely that'll be right"... you take it out of His hands at that point. We are vessels to Him. Mute microphones without Him speaking through us. That's the general idea.

[joris]

:confused:well, me, I'm more like too shy or unsure of myself to do anything; it's not like I know of much how to handle it :y10:

[BroTrevor]

:confused:well, me, I'm more like too shy or unsure of myself to do anything; it's not like I know of much how to handle it :y10:

there's a difference between saying... "God, I'm unsure of myself...will you just do it?" and

"God, I want you to be able to use me...I know you know better than me...please...lead me...use me...guide me"

One is giving up by default... the other is giving up by your own conscious desire...at least, it seems to me that there's a difference.

[joris]

one is of the flesh; the other is of Spirit; the first will only end up standing still, the second will end up being guided;
now, but that was what I was asking about, right? ;)

[Angelo]

Great conversation here....

[joris]

One is giving up by default... the other is giving up by your own conscious desire...at least, it seems to me that there's a difference.ah... I found one little difference, I guess, giving up is saying, I can't do it, no matter what, period. surrendering is saying, I can't do it alone, but with you, Lord, I can go through it; see - giving up is not being able to stand in believe God could bring me through it; and it's quite difficult to deal with that one

[Angelo]

I agree to that. It just means also that when we give up, we limit God's capability on making things happen.

Wow! I love that thought. Gives me perseverance.

[BroTrevor]

ah... I found one little difference, I guess, giving up is saying, I can't do it, no matter what, period. surrendering is saying, I can't do it alone, but with you, Lord, I can go through it; see - giving up is not being able to stand in believe God could bring me through it; and it's quite difficult to deal with that one


I think that sums up.

See, Joshua had to still fight to gain the promise land... but God led Him through it. If Joshua would have "gave up" he would have never taken the promise land. If Joshua would have tried to take the land in his own way, he would have failed.

[joris]

so it's all... surrender all? something like that? hmm; (well I find surrendering... a difficult thing; takes a lot of prayer for sure)

[BroTrevor]

so it's all... surrender all? something like that? hmm; (well I find surrendering... a difficult thing; takes a lot of prayer for sure)

The rich young ruler had some problems with this too.. he went away sorrowful.

[Jezz]

The rich young ruler had some problems with this too.. he went away sorrowful.

It's easy to understand why, imagine selling everything you have to follow the Lord, how many people could do that? It's certainly not common sense and goes against all human reasoning. Yet to a believer it makes sense, the Lord promised in his word that he would provide so selling everything isn't so difficult with that promise in mind.

The battle to give your life over to the Lord is the greatest battle ever fought, everything in your spirit and body rages against the Word of God, your imagination, reasoning, conscience, affection and memory. When you clean out all those channels then you can truely give yourself over to the will of the Lord.

[BroTrevor]

Excellent post Jezz...

Many times it is VERY difficult. And you're right...it almost never makes sense!! But when we have faith and believe that God has promised us sooo much better. It makes it all worth it. He can do more with what I give him, than I can do with what I keep.

oh my...reminded of the song..

Falling in love...with Jesus.
Falling in love...with Jesus!
Falling in love...with Jesus... it's the best thing I've ever done!

When we fall in love with Him, we give our all to be with Him. It's soo much easier to do because you love Him, vs. doing it out of duty.

[joris]

It's soo much easier to do because you love Himcould I say something insane here? I... thank Him whenever I remember, He longs for me humbly showing I care about His heart; sing too;
but me, somebody who was that long that far away from love, I hardly know how to love, or what it is to love; how then; it's like, sometimes I do say, I love Him, I tell Him; and then, other times, like now, I feel like; I don't even know what loving is, how could I possibly say I love Him? I only know He's the most precious, the most caring, the most understanding... person;
you know such worship songs? to say to Him You're more worth than gold... that's funny, what's a strange comparison... it's something like telling a mountain it's bigger than a grain of sand...

Just now thinking, how my heart cries for love, maybe that's a bit how He longs for love; not to say that He's a hurt person; but... well, I think, sometimes... Holy Spirit is, say, God in His most open... vulnerable... side; so vulnerable, the most hurt person isn't that vulnerable; does that make sence at all? I'm not sure how I got that idea :y10:

[BroTrevor]

could I say something insane here? I... thank Him whenever I remember, He longs for me humbly showing I care about His heart; sing too;
but me, somebody who was that long that far away from love, I hardly know how to love, or what it is to love; how then; it's like, sometimes I do say, I love Him, I tell Him; and then, other times, like now, I feel like; I don't even know what loving is, how could I possibly say I love Him? I only know He's the most precious, the most caring, the most understanding... person;
you know such worship songs? to say to Him You're more worth than gold... that's funny, what's a strange comparison... it's something like telling a mountain it's bigger than a grain of sand...

Just now thinking, how my heart cries for love, maybe that's a bit how He longs for love; not to say that He's a hurt person; but... well, I think, sometimes... Holy Spirit is, say, God in His most open... vulnerable... side; so vulnerable, the most hurt person isn't that vulnerable; does that make sence at all? I'm not sure how I got that idea :y10:

Nice... telling a mountain it's bigger than a grain of sand.

When you are crying out for love...and don't know how. Just ask God to show you. He doesn't expect you to just know... He just wants you to let him love you. To RECIEVE His love... once you've done that...well, then you have love inside you to give back.

You have to recieve His love first.