Homeschoolers!!! How many of us are there here?

[jordancpeterson]

Ok, so another thread (http://yqnews.org/forums/showthread.php?t=863#post31617)got me to wondering about how many there are of us here in YQN? Ok so I'm not technically homeschooled anymore, I was though (don't tell me it doesn't, I learned to count! ;) ). :D

[JoeC]

OK, so the person who voted "No! And I don't think it's right/not good/not going to do it (and please tell us why?)"... could you explain why you did? Just curious... :misli:

[jordancpeterson]

I thought I made it so that we could see who voted and why... hmmm. :/

[JoeC]

You can see who voted, but they aren't required to say why. Just click on poll result and then the number of people that voted for a particular option.

[HotShot53]

My guess is they wanted an option saying no, they weren't, and they don't think they will for their children either... without saying it's really wrong.

[jordancpeterson]

But that is what "No, but you've got me to thinking." option was for. ;) [By the way just mean the 'who' voted part, not 'why' :o ]

[HotShot53]

But that is what "No, but you've got me to thinking." option was for. ;) [By the way just mean the 'who' voted part, not 'why' :o ]

But what happens if they aren't thinking about it?

[BroTrevor]

There's no option for "no, but I'm going to homeschool my kids"

So I can't vote yet.

[Jezz]

I voted no, but it was before church so I didnt really have the time to write a reply. I've never been homeschooled, don't know anybody who has (not in person anyhow). Over here in Australia at least schools aren't so bad. Schools are good for childrens social interaction and a better environment for learning in my opinion, and I enjoyed my years at school overall. I know personally that going to school was a good thing for me, so I'll send my kids. I don't think its wrong to homeschool, I don't think its right either, it all depends on your own circumstances and how you feel led. I understand why you would homeschool your children, to protect them from the influences of the world, keep them safe from alcohol, drugs etc. That said you can't protect your children forever, and if you teach them the right things when they are growing up they'll come through alright. Homeschooling isn't wrong or right, its just not right for me.

[Angelo]

Ehem, excuse me.

There were no options for myself to vote for, but if I'd be asked if I'd agree Homeschooling, yes I would 100%. Considerring the present situation on our country: crowded schools, hot environment, etc. It's a real good option to choose for a Christian family. I have talked with brothers that are homeschooling their kids, I saw how they are so enlightened of its benefits and it really does show results on their childrens knowledge and awareness of the Word of God. There is a big difference with a Holy Ghost filled teacher.

[joris]

I wasn't homeschooled, and it isn't something well-known here in Holland
Well... no idea about whether I'd do homeschool (but then again, not sure whether I'm to have kids either :-p)

[jordancpeterson]

Ok, so I admit, poorly done poll. :) Discuss away. :)

[jordancpeterson]

There's no option for "no, but I'm going to homeschool my kids"

So I can't vote yet.

I would say that falls under, "No, but considering it."

[EllyMae]

Okay, so I can't vote either... lol. I wasn't homeschool, although I wish I could have been. And, I do intend on homeschooling my children if/when I have kids. Public school has such a bad atmosphere for children to be brought up in. Of course it didn't bother me before I became a Christian, but I've noticed it tremendously these past 2 years..

[joris]

Public school has such a bad atmosphere for children to be brought up in. Of course it didn't bother me before I became a Christianheh; secundary school wasn't so great, no... some gossiping environment it was

[EllyMae]

Yes, I hate gossiping... And cussing... And, do I really need to say?
LOL

[redeemed]

my friend was telling me about supersize me and some of the stuff that happened with the kids that went to public schools. the host showed them pics of stuff and most of them kinda knew what the pics were of. then there was one that he didn't show to the camera and the kids were guessing like Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and those ppl. when they showed the pic to the camera it was a pic of Jesus. i was so suprised that not one child knew who the person in the pic was! i thought "shows what they teach in public schools about Christ." i don't know, i'm just not big on schools and that's one of the reasons. (did i go to far off subject?)

[JMC_785]

Home School is AWESOME!!!!!:yay: There would have been far more casualties if I had gone to public school, lol. :chris::shuriken::peep:


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[Blood Washed Bride]

*throws Matt a sidelong glance* They probably would have put you and Daniel on Ritalin....


Anyway, it's neat to see that so many people are pro-homeschool. I went to a Christian school up through 10th grade and loved it. Then I homeschooled for my junior and senior years because I wanted to have more time around the house to learn some skills that I could put to use in my own household. I enjoyed that too, but realized I'm not a very self-motivated individual and need deadlines. *sigh*

I do plan on homeschooling my own kids (though I'm not opposed to Christian education... if only it weren't so expensive...) and have lots of ideas that I want to incorporate to make learning fun and memorable. And most of all, to build my children up spiritually. Because one's eternal destination is so much more important than having the knowledge to attain a good job and financial security. (Though I'm certainly not knocking that! :oP)

[chocolateismybestfriend]

i may homeschool.
i may not homeschool.

i may homeschool 1 of my kids, and not the other.

I think every child is different and has their own strengths and weaknesses. I think as parents we should/would know if our kids are able to be at a school, whether its private or public, and be the ones who influence others, and not the ones who are influenced.
I dont think we should deter our children from being witnesses in this world, from being a shining light for God and one way to do that is in school! and then go on to doing that in college/university and then the work place.

At the same time, if they were gaining a completely negative experience from the school i would pull them out.
Utimately there comes a time where they must stand on their own two feet, learn what they believe themselves and not what mommy and daddy teach them, and have their own experience with the Lord.
So i want to prepare them for this, and not shelter them from the "world" in a way that i would be throwing them at the devil the moment a temptation walked into their lives.

I would also check out the schools i would be considering if they went, and i mean thoroughly. Schools in some areas can be fantastic, it truly does depend on where you live. If its a bad area and a bad school and you know it - you'd be insane to send your kids there. I do realise alot of people think every public school is bad, i dont, and perhaps thats because i'm from australia and havent experience american public schooling so you may be right there i havent a clue about schools there. i imagine what they will experience there is no different other public places like from entering the work environment no matter what country you are from.

I speak from experience in that regard, i was public schooled, and in the end it was one of the best things for me. Although in the beginning i did not think so because i had to stand up for what i believed and got tore down for that. I wandered a bit and found that this message WAS exactly what i believed - i didnt go to church for my parents, i didnt believe it because they did, i believed it because it was the truth. School wasnt torture, by the end of it, i was completely loved for my individuality. From that i can enter the work place and not fear comments or judgements for my beliefs. I KNOW i can stand up for God.

Alternatively, if i did homeschool my kids because of the schools around there were available and me and my husband did not think them suitable i would be sure to get them into activities, music, singing, painting, sports etc for the children to socialise and interact and learn communication skills as its super important!!

okay.... end of speech!!!

[chocolateismybestfriend]

i would have study/teaching sessions about the bible, the Word, Bro Branham etc with my kids regardless of whether they went to a public school or were homeschooled.

[NeedGod]

we dont have the option for homeschooling here except for the very rich. so no i cant homeschool my kids but i wish i could. still, as brother branham said, what is in the kds will come out whether they are in an indian camp or wherever. I will just send them to school and keep them in prayer. i wish i could homeschool though

[redeemed]

i know where i live i have seen the kids that went in and then came out of public schools and realised that i would be right there with them if i didn't have the Lord.

[Babyruth]

I was homeschooled for middle school, grades 6-8. I really enjoyed it. I got done with my work in about 2-3 hours and had time to do fun and educational things. My mom was a great teacher, and I got to do stuff on my own. My sister did the same thing and she hated it. She is a very controlling person and liked to make life miserable, and was terrible to my mom. This is my brother's last year of homeschooling and I don't think it was good for him. Maybe if my mom wasn't the teacher it would have been better. He is the youngest and my mom spoils him. She doesn't always make him do things and so he is a little behind and not very prepared for high school. My sister was reasonably prepared, and I was overprepared. All my classes with the exception of 2, were super easy and I had not a bit of problem with. My courses while being homeschooled were higher than the ones they used in public school. So, it really does depend on the personality of the child.

[HotShot53]

Wow, was just looking at this polls results... I knew a lot of believers homeschooled in the US, didn't know it was quite that high of a percentage....

[Lyddie]

I am currently homeschooled and I have been since 3rd grade. I LOVE IT!! And I don't do videos either (for school) I have a real live teacher!:yay: I LOVE HER!!!:yay:

[redeemed]

are you pointing that comment at someone!!!:shuriken: :ninja: :y14: humph! lol

[EllyMae]

What do you all think about girls going to college? I'm in this dilemma right now. I'm debating whether or not going to college next year. Is it really necessary.. when us christian girls will end up being housewives anyways? But then, everyone always says...."just in case..." This mostly pertains to us girls who aren't currently engaged or married, and don't know when that time will come. What do we do?? AHH!! Haha

[cdnjava]

I was never homeschooled. After a few years in public school, we are now homeschooling our 3 children. It is a lot of work but I don't think we (or they for that matter) would go back to the way it was!

[HotShot53]

What do you all think about girls going to college? I'm in this dilemma right now. I'm debating whether or not going to college next year. Is it really necessary.. when us christian girls will end up being housewives anyways? But then, everyone always says...."just in case..." This mostly pertains to us girls who aren't currently engaged or married, and don't know when that time will come. What do we do?? AHH!! Haha

My personal opinion is that if you don't have to take out big student loans to go to college, and it seems reasonable that you could use it in the future, then you might as well go... if you would need to take out student loans that would be a burden if you happen to get married instead of working, then I wouldn't recommend going... but in either case, pray ;)

[EllyMae]

That's the only answer I have right now, is to pray :)

[Lyddie]

are you pointing that comment at someone!!!:shuriken: :ninja: :y14: humph! lol

NOPE!!:peep:

[leahmb]

In response to the post about a girl going to college. As a female graduate of community college, I'll pass on some of the advice I was given.

-Obviously, pray for God's direction

-It is never a bad idea if you have the time/funding and don't think it will hinder your spiritual walk.

-Not only is it for "in case something happens," but who knows, if you do get married you can use the aquired skills--maybe your husband will have a business and need your bookkeeping skills, or you can use your nursing skills at church functions, teaching abilities for your children, and the list could go one.

-Even if you do get married, sometimes there are times when the wife may be required to help out financially. In this situation it would be much better to have to do something you enjoy and could make better money, than being stuck at the only place that will hire you.

-I think this is applicable to single sisters as well. Why limit your possibilities if you are waiting for that special time in your life? Do you want to have some job just because you need $ or would you like to actually enjoy your work.

-Don't choose a career that you wouldn't be able to give up.

-Not every sister will become a housewife, so it may not hurt to be prepared.

[BroTrevor]

-Don't choose a career that you wouldn't be able to give up.


Oh, that's a big one. Sometimes the guys are intimidated by girls that have better careers and are more "successful" than they are. If the girl doesn't show that she would be willing to give it all up, marriage would be difficult.

[Babyruth]

In response to the post about a girl going to college. As a female graduate of community college, I'll pass on some of the advice I was given.

-Obviously, pray for God's direction

-It is never a bad idea if you have the time/funding and don't think it will hinder your spiritual walk.

-Not only is it for "in case something happens," but who knows, if you do get married you can use the aquired skills--maybe your husband will have a business and need your bookkeeping skills, or you can use your nursing skills at church functions, teaching abilities for your children, and the list could go one.

-Even if you do get married, sometimes there are times when the wife may be required to help out financially. In this situation it would be much better to have to do something you enjoy and could make better money, than being stuck at the only place that will hire you.

-I think this is applicable to single sisters as well. Why limit your possibilities if you are waiting for that special time in your life? Do you want to have some job just because you need $ or would you like to actually enjoy your work.

-Don't choose a career that you wouldn't be able to give up.

-Not every sister will become a housewife, so it may not hurt to be prepared.
Amen sista Leah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redeemed]

NOPE!!:peep:

for some reason i have a hard time believing that!!! lol

[Lyddie]

for some reason i have a hard time believing that!!! lol

:y10: hmmmmmm

[redeemed]

In response to the post about a girl going to college. As a female graduate of community college, I'll pass on some of the advice I was given.

-Obviously, pray for God's direction

-It is never a bad idea if you have the time/funding and don't think it will hinder your spiritual walk.

-Not only is it for "in case something happens," but who knows, if you do get married you can use the aquired skills--maybe your husband will have a business and need your bookkeeping skills, or you can use your nursing skills at church functions, teaching abilities for your children, and the list could go one.

-Even if you do get married, sometimes there are times when the wife may be required to help out financially. In this situation it would be much better to have to do something you enjoy and could make better money, than being stuck at the only place that will hire you.

-I think this is applicable to single sisters as well. Why limit your possibilities if you are waiting for that special time in your life? Do you want to have some job just because you need $ or would you like to actually enjoy your work.

-Don't choose a career that you wouldn't be able to give up.

-Not every sister will become a housewife, so it may not hurt to be prepared.

amen!! i totally agree with that!:)

[redeemed_lizzi]

I voted no, but it was before church so I didnt really have the time to write a reply. I've never been homeschooled, don't know anybody who has (not in person anyhow). Over here in Australia at least schools aren't so bad. Schools are good for childrens social interaction and a better environment for learning in my opinion, and I enjoyed my years at school overall. I know personally that going to school was a good thing for me, so I'll send my kids. I don't think its wrong to homeschool, I don't think its right either, it all depends on your own circumstances and how you feel led. I understand why you would homeschool your children, to protect them from the influences of the world, keep them safe from alcohol, drugs etc. That said you can't protect your children forever, and if you teach them the right things when they are growing up they'll come through alright. Homeschooling isn't wrong or right, its just not right for me.

You summed up exactly how I feel about the subject. Even though I voted 'no but it's got me thinking' i don't think I will ever homeschool my kids. Again I'm not saying that homeschooling is bad, I just don't feel that is how I would want to raise my kids (if I had them).

[redeemed]

I voted no, but it was before church so I didnt really have the time to write a reply. I've never been homeschooled, don't know anybody who has (not in person anyhow). Over here in Australia at least schools aren't so bad. Schools are good for childrens social interaction and a better environment for learning in my opinion, and I enjoyed my years at school overall. I know personally that going to school was a good thing for me, so I'll send my kids. I don't think its wrong to homeschool, I don't think its right either, it all depends on your own circumstances and how you feel led. I understand why you would homeschool your children, to protect them from the influences of the world, keep them safe from alcohol, drugs etc. That said you can't protect your children forever, and if you teach them the right things when they are growing up they'll come through alright. Homeschooling isn't wrong or right, its just not right for me.


i can see where you're coming from, if the schools aren't that bad then i can see why you would want to put them in a social enviroment. I went to public school from kindergarten to fifth and even though i was so young in fifth grade some of the kids were already getting into some serious trouble (i was even friends with a couple of them) that's why i wouldn't send my kids to public school.

[EllyMae]

I voted no, but it was before church so I didnt really have the time to write a reply. I've never been homeschooled, don't know anybody who has (not in person anyhow). Over here in Australia at least schools aren't so bad. Schools are good for childrens social interaction and a better environment for learning in my opinion, and I enjoyed my years at school overall. I know personally that going to school was a good thing for me, so I'll send my kids. I don't think its wrong to homeschool, I don't think its right either, it all depends on your own circumstances and how you feel led. I understand why you would homeschool your children, to protect them from the influences of the world, keep them safe from alcohol, drugs etc. That said you can't protect your children forever, and if you teach them the right things when they are growing up they'll come through alright. Homeschooling isn't wrong or right, its just not right for me.

If public school wasn't too bad for you, then it may not be such a bad idea to send them to public school. Here in the U.S. I think we can all agree that it is not a good environment AT ALL. Teachers let students get away with so much over here now adays. I'm glad to be out of high school, and still not sure if I want to go to college. Not all public schools are bad, it just depends on the school. So, if you all have good public schools, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it. It would allow your kids to be Christian lights to their peers. That's the only positive thing I can think of for me these past 3 years at school that I've been a Christian. :)

[redeemed]

i agree, i don't think i've ever seen a public school that was good in the states, even some of the Christian schools that i see make me go wow!

[EllyMae]

I KNOW! I would never put my kids in public school. But, I suppose if schools overseas aren't near as bad, wouldn't be bad to consider it.

[redeemed]

yeah, i'm sure they're a lot better than here. isn't it strange that America is supposed to be a Christian nation and they want to take out "One nation under God" out of the pledge, they've already taken prayer out of school, and most REAL Christians can't believe some of the stuff that's happening in schools. hmm, something seems wrong in that picture! lol

[God'schild]

yeah, i'm sure they're a lot better than here. isn't it strange that America is supposed to be a Christian nation and they want to take out "One nation under God" out of the pledge, they've already taken prayer out of school, and most REAL Christians can't believe some of the stuff that's happening in schools. hmm, something seems wrong in that picture! lol

I don't live in US but i live in Canada,
they have taken the prayer out schools, in someplaces it's even wrong to say anything that involes what you believe.
The(Liberal) Government wanted to take out "our son's camand" as well as "God keep us gorlious and free."

there is something wrong with the pic.
IT just shows how the world is coming to an end.

[AlanaH]

I am a 2006 graduate...and I have never been to public school (except for one day at lunch hour and I hated it, so I left and never went back).
My mom (and occasionally Dad) was the best teacher I could have ever had, and as a result of spending all day every day together, we are extremely close and I thank God for that. She toughed it out and stuck with me the whole way, and that was an awesome experience.
She let me pick my subjects that I wanted to excel in (I absolutely HATED math), and I became college level in 8th grade and actually skipped a few grades because they were boring and went on to higher grades.
I majored in English creative writing and music, and I am going on to be a photo-journalist and full-time pianist at church. And it was all possible because my mom let me "find" myself earlier than I may have.
I learned very quickly that homeschooling really is "missing out on the school experience"....and I wouldn't have had it any other way.

[redeemed]

well i have to say for the first 6 years i went to public school and and really got into the scene. i totally agree with you Alana it's really nice now to miss out on the experience because usually it's not to good. i'm glad to say that since 7th grade i haven't had to be in the public school!!:yay:

[azurity]

I went to a private Catholic school for the first year and a half. Kinda glad it wasn't any longer than that, looking back! I don't remember being taught anything of a religious nature, but I can remember a conversation with a group of the girls... we were like 5 years old, and our perception of "omnipotent" was that there were 1000's of invisible "Jesus's" standing everywhere, and you had to be careful not to hit them, or you'd hurt Jesus. We also put Mary in the same category. Thank God for increased revelation!!

This, my friends, is why you do not send your children to schools that teach false doctrine.

Then I went to a public school. It was only a small country public school, and the conditions, standards, expectations, etc were quite high. But I can remember feeling on the outside alot, because I was really the only Christian there. I was the only one that wore skirts in the winter, and that didn't cut their hair. I was never one of the cool kids, and never one of the teacher's favourites, either. I was just there.

Then I was homeschooled for all of highschool. (Years 7 to 12) This can be a lonely path, even tho I frequently saw others from the church that homeschooled. I learnt how to get by with doing the minimum, because I think Mum was too easy on me. I'd just say "What's the point of doing all this? I'm never going to use it again!" Compaired to what the average kid does in highschool... I think I got away with about 10% of that. I think I'm one person that could have done with the stimulation of learning with others. I kinda need someone to compete against.

Now I work in a private Christian school, which is probably strange for someone who was homeschooled. When I first started there, I was hardly a year older than some of the students. I think the difference was, they were alot more confident than I was, but I was more mature. Your environment has a huge impact on your personality.

Coming from this angle, I can see the good & bad from both sides. I think there is no simple solution to education in this world we live in now. Whatever we choose to do with our own children will involve sacrifices.

I think homeschooling is wonderful, but it is a huge commitment, and shouldn't be taken lightly. I once said that I would never do anything but homeschool, and I am certainly still willing to homeschool, but now that I have seen that there is also decent (I wouldn't perfect, but it is fairly good) Christian schools out there, I know that it is an option. But then, there is the cost of school fees, uniforms, text books, camps, graphic calculators... the list goes on. Believe me, I hear about it everyday. Also, not all the students are Christians. Their parents may or may not be, but just because they go to a Christian school doesn't mean that they have made a commitment to Jesus Christ. This could be seen as both good & bad. And they only take Christianity to a fairly basic level in these schools. It's more creation vs. evolution than about knowing Jesus personally.

I really like what Sarah said, that she may homeschool one child, and not the other. That is my conviction exactly. You have to do what you believe is right for the individual child. Not everyone can cope with being in a public environment like that. And others would go crazy (or drive their parents crazy) with sitting at home in front of a text book.

A friend of mine was homeschooling their 6-year-old-daughter. She had 2 other children... a toddler & baby on the way. She eventually decided that it wasn't working because her daughter was more inclined to work in a classroom environment. She called me to ask me about the school where I work, and what I said to her (in conversation, not all at once) was "I can give you the information on the school, but I can't help you decide what to do. That is between you, your husband & God, working out what is best for her. You may decide to put her in a school, but homeschool the other two. You just have to do what is best for the individual child. Everyone is going to tell you what they think you should do, and how they would do it if they were you, but it isn't up to them."

So that's how I think it should be. Everything should be entered into with prayer & serious consideration, because raising a child is an awesome responsibility.

This is a long speech... forgive me!

[BroTrevor]

I think homeschooling is wonderful, but it is a huge commitment, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Boom!


Yes, this is not a "keep your kid home from school and hopefully they'll do what they are told to do" kind of thing. It takes interaction with your children, and being their teacher, as well as their parent.

God help me and SisTrev as we should get Zion's books and videos in today.

[redeemed]

amen!! it takes a big commitment to homeschool. i love school so since i started doing homeschool i've been doing it myself, with no one to push me, and i think that even though i have the drive to learn it's a lot better with parent (or "teacher") interaction. it also helps to build a relationship with your child.

[marichino_freedom]

I went to public high school...and catholic gradeschool. looking back, I know know that i excelled so much in school (especially high school) because it was my outlet. i never wanted to be at home. I got in "trouble" a lot, even for stupid stuff (i wasn't a bad kid though). i just poured myself into books and homework and clubs/activities. Now, I would want to homeschool my future children, but i want to make sure they get involved in anything (well, most anything) they want. I however, dont think i could have handled being homeschooled.

[Naomi Michelle]

Ok, I know I know...I'm reviving old threads, but that’s what I do eh? haha
But I just wanted to stick my nose in here as it were...haha and this wasnt closed, nor is it time sensitive material, I hope moderators that this is Ok, for me to revive a thread this old.
anyway...heres hoping i'm not being too bad a girl...


I just wanted to say that I have been homeschooled from day one, absolutely love it, have heard many horror stories etc about public school, etc etc. I am social, I can carry on a conversation with both toddlers and adults alike (but prefer adults :P), I have been around more adults then children as it were, but I have attended many events and participated in many homeschool things from presentations of reports and participated in little skits. But now I prefer to stay home and be Ms. anti-social as many called me this evening...haha. I actually spend a fair amount of time chatting with friends online that are older then I. I prefer talking to people older then myself as I feel i am more mature then other people my age (I’ve been told this as well on many occasions, and am complimented on this often). I was an only child for many many years before my parents had anymore children. And so I was( and have been) raised around more adults then children and I feel i have benefited from this. I would most certainly homeschool my children (if i have any) I am still trying to decide if I am going to dual enroll, though I don’t really need a college education to own my own business, I will either learn from my father and learn from both his mistakes and my own. I think if I were to go to college, i would go for either art or cooking, or some of both.

[Nomes]

I like and agree with quite alot of what chocalateismybestfriend wrote. It's too long to quote.. But I believe she wrote really well.

I have gone to a state school (public school for you guys?) for all my primary years (1-7). I then moved to a private christian school for my highschool years. I wouldn't have chosen otherswise and am thankful to my parents for this.

Going to school gave me many trials which helped my character. Strength and courage to stand up for what I believe in. Hope, friendship and kindness for others. Patience. And a definite big one was my respect for authority. I developed a good friendship with my SOSE teacher who helped me deal with with why I lost my respect for authority and encouraged me to regain it. I have some good school friends, who may not be 'message' people, But I know some 'message' people who aren't half as nice as a few of my school friends even though they aknowledge the message and the prophet and the dress code etc. This is just a few of the reasons why I enjoy going to school.

I realise though the education system in America or other places may not be as good as Australia, so homeschooling might be a better option for some people. But I go to a christian school, and I would be quite happy to send my kids there. If I had kids today. In 10 years or so.. I might have changed. But at present I would send my kids to a school, most likely a christian school.

[AlanaH]

I just wanted to say that I have been homeschooled from day one, absolutely love it, have heard many horror stories etc about public school, etc etc. I am social, I can carry on a conversation with both toddlers and adults alike (but prefer adults :P), I have been around more adults then children as it were, but I have attended many events and participated in many homeschool things from presentations of reports and participated in little skits. But now I prefer to stay home and be Ms. anti-social as many called me this evening...haha. I actually spend a fair amount of time chatting with friends online that are older then I. I prefer talking to people older then myself as I feel i am more mature then other people my age (I’ve been told this as well on many occasions, and am complimented on this often). I was an only child for many many years before my parents had anymore children. And so I was( and have been) raised around more adults then children and I feel i have benefited from this. I would most certainly homeschool my children (if i have any)

Wow...your story could almost be mine except for just a few minor details. But the similarities between us are amazing really.

[BroTrevor]

I thank GOD my 5 year old son hasn't been exposed to even close to HALF of what I was exposed to by 5 years old.

For me, that's just really the clincher as to why we're homeschooling our kids.

But everyone is different I know.

[marichino_freedom]

i went to a catholic school k-1st grade, a lutheran school for 2-4(halfway)....then catholic school for the rest of 4th grade, a public school for half of 5th, then catholic school for the rest of 5th through 8th. (it was the same catholic school each time)


then for my freshman year of h.s. i went to a catholic school, but went 10-12th grade at a public school, and i was so much happier. the people at my graduating high school were waaaaaaaaaaay nicer than those at the catholic h.s.

now i'm going to a state university

i've been around. :)

[Skirty]

i went to a catholic school k-1st grade, a lutheran school for 2-4(halfway)....then catholic school for the rest of 4th grade, a public school for half of 5th, then catholic school for the rest of 5th through 8th. (it was the same catholic school each time)


then for my freshman year of h.s. i went to a catholic school, but went 10-12th grade at a public school, and i was so much happier. the people at my graduating high school were waaaaaaaaaaay nicer than those at the catholic h.s.

now i'm going to a state university

i've been around. :)
lol, you think you've been around?
I went to a public school til grade 3, (awesome school, a ton of believers went there and all the teachers and principal understood what we believed and were more than respectful). Then in grade 4, that school joined with another, so I went there for 1 whole year!
Then I went to our church school for 2 years, then a private school for 2 months... then a middle school.
After the middles chool, one year of public high school, then home schooled, then back to public for my last two years.

I have commitment issues.

[marichino_freedom]

i think my parents did too (in more ways than one) :D

[vpiper]

My husband and I are talking about homeschooling our children, he was home schooled, I was not.

We are going to wait and see when the time gets closer, I am currently working with her on Sign language and different learning songs like "Head shoulders knees and toes" and the ABC's (she's not even two yet). If we have more kids we will probably home school, but if she ends up being an only, we might put her in school cause she hates being alone.

If we do home school my husband will be in charge of most of the subjects except math, art, gym and field trips. I will be doing those since I'll be home and I'm the resident expert.

Either way our children will be learning all the important stuff at home.

[marichino_freedom]

i would take mine to the zoo all the time....... (*wistful look in eyes*)

[countrygurl]

I was home schooled..
But K-5Th I went to private school, which was nice. I had lots of friends in the "developing" social skills years. Then I home schooled 6Th-8Th, went back to the private school for 9Th, then "home schooled' again..I was a bad student, my sophomore year, went to college @ 16 for my junior year, did nothing, but hangout and work my "senior" year, and am now taking a couple classes at the community college.(I think Leah listed good reasons about college, My grandfather wanted to pay for me to go, I'm not going to turn that down..pray..:D )
I never felt like homeschooling stunted my social life. I had plenty of friends, did lots of things. I lived a sheltered life, but still knew what was going on. (no thanks to those lovely public school friends ;-) lol) I would home school my kids,(when and if I have them) but that is a decision you gotta make when you get to that stage in life w/ the person your married too. We took the state test (IOWA's I think) that all the public school kids take every year, and did better than them. We have a big home school group here and when I graduated last year, I got to do the whole ceremony, got a diploma and wore the cap and gown, honor cords for making Who's Who in America Highschool Students ( I missed highest honors by 1%, I was griped, stupid math!) all that good stuff. We even have yearbooks..it's pretty sweet..:D

[leahmb]

Yeah, it's like the Iowa standard learning test---I took it too :D

[vpiper]

that's funny cause we had to take the California Achievement Tests and we were right next to Iowa in Omaha.

[Naomi Michelle]

I took the California test as well, that thing is tough, but I always scored higher then the public school stdents, now though we just have my schoolwork looked over by a certified teacher, I got tired of the high stress at test time..ugh...
~Flower~

[HotShot53]

I took the California test as well, that thing is tough, but I always scored higher then the public school stdents, now though we just have my schoolwork looked over by a certified teacher, I got tired of the high stress at test time..ugh...
~Flower~

You get a choice? PA has the one of the hardest homeschool laws around... but we also have homeschool diploma programs that colleges and everyone recognizes the same as they would any other diploma, so that was good...

[Naomi Michelle]

Yeah, There are several choices here...Texas is even better on their rules, I heard you dont have to tell anyone that you are gonna homeschool, you can just do it.

[AlanaH]

Yeah, it's like the Iowa standard learning test---I took it too :D

Iowa Standard was sweet. I took it every year (being homeschooled) and it never was that bad. Not that I ever did good on the math <ahem> <cough>, but I loved their spelling and history ones.

[Nomes]

I thank GOD my 5 year old son hasn't been exposed to even close to HALF of what I was exposed to by 5 years old.

For me, that's just really the clincher as to why we're homeschooling our kids.

But everyone is different I know.

Yeah. I think it's not about being exposed though, its about learning how to deal with the things you're exposed to, developing strength in your or their character to stand up for what you're/they're exposed to.

That's just me.

But for sure as a 5 year old, there's a line.

[HotShot53]

Yeah. I think it's not about being exposed though, its about learning how to deal with the things you're exposed to, developing strength in your or their character to stand up for what you're/they're exposed to.

That's just me.

But for sure as a 5 year old, there's a line.

Being exposed to it and developing strength is fine... but is a 5-10 year old really strong enough to stand up to a teacher who teaches evolution, etc? Actually, why expose yourself to worldly stuff you don't need to? We're supposed to stay as close to the mountain as we can, not go near the edge just cause we can.

[Noe]

Yes, I was (and I'll homeschool if I ever have kids)

Thats what i would have voted if it was still open.

i went to school till i was 11yrs and within 4 mths my parents had taken the others out of school.
i think children have a better chance of learning being at home with their parents and i will homeschool if and when i have children.

[BroTrevor]

Yeah. I think it's not about being exposed though, its about learning how to deal with the things you're exposed to, developing strength in your or their character to stand up for what you're/they're exposed to.

That's just me.

But for sure as a 5 year old, there's a line.

I totally agree with that. I'm not going to shelter my kids soo deeply they don't know what they will have to fight when they get older.

But kids shouldn't be exposed to the stuff they are exposed to at the young age it happens these days...and for me.

[Dream Orange]

I am a little late on this thread but oh well...
Anyways I have been Homeschooler for going on eleven years now.
I really like (love) it.... A+ to all homeschoolers!

[vpiper]

Being exposed to it and developing strength is fine... but is a 5-10 year old really strong enough to stand up to a teacher who teaches evolution, etc? Actually, why expose yourself to worldly stuff you don't need to? We're supposed to stay as close to the mountain as we can, not go near the edge just cause we can.

About teaching evolution to a 5 year old, The books are really tricky the way they are worded. My hubby is a 5th grade teacher. In Science class the books talk about how the Animals Developed certain traits for certain reasons. We know that animal were give the traits that they have. But the wording is where they start to get to the kids to make them believe in evolution. It's really sad. My Husband refuses to teach it like that.

[JMG]

It is amazing how science is taught dogmatically in grade school, but when it is taught at a colligiate level it is expressed that there are many unkownws.
Also, I knowassurdely that if a mathematician riddicules any Christian for having faith in God, that the mathematician is either a hypocrite, or very ignorant of the foundations of there field!

[HotShot53]

The amazing thing is, that with as much as evolution is taught in schools and such... a recent poll (I heard it on family radio a week or two ago) shows that like 53% of people in the US believe that God (or a god) created everything the way it is now, like 32% believe in theistic evolution (God started it, but then things evolved), and only 15% believe in big-bang style evolution.

[JMG]

Here is something to think about. We know that God, by his word, created the heavens and the earth. However, we do not know how His Words manifested the creation. Genesis chapter 1 tells of that God created things, but not of their process of manifestation.

[marichino_freedom]

what i find really interesting is that certain things we are taught are "fanciful"....are mentioned in the Bible! like unicorns, for example.

"God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn." ~Numbers 23:22

"His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh" ~Deuteronomy 33:17

and there are several others. in school they teach us they are legends and dont exist, but whose to say that they didnt if they are mentioned in the Bible. God obviously created them if they are mentioned.

and i've heard scolars say that they were goats that had their horns twisted up as one, and try to give an explanation for it. they might not have been what we think of them to look like, but then again, maybe they were.

[Kayla]

Wow! I've never thought of that...that's really fascinating to think about isn't it?

[marichino_freedom]

i think so! i think its really neat...

[vpiper]

and what about dinosaurs and dragons, they are mentioned too.(not saying I thought dinosaurs were fake or anything)

[marichino_freedom]

oh, i know...absolutely. i could've had a mile long thread! :D

[vpiper]

oh, i know...absolutely. i could've had a mile long thread! :D
I think it's called a post.:confused:

[marichino_freedom]

whoops, you are right.

i just think there were some amazing things back then that we dont get to hear about because of the public school systems (and because so little is known)

[HotShot53]

Here is something to think about. We know that God, by his word, created the heavens and the earth. However, we do not know how His Words manifested the creation. Genesis chapter 1 tells of that God created things, but not of their process of manifestation.

What we do know is how long it took though... the evening and the morning comes on a pretty regular basis ;) And I don't think anyone could claim anything "evolved" in that time period...

[BroTrevor]

What we do know is how long it took though... the evening and the morning comes on a pretty regular basis ;) And I don't think anyone could claim anything "evolved" in that time period...


let's not forget that the fossil record doesn't show any intermediary forms like fish/cats.... (yes, I played on the word catfish) or any dog/birds... (another play on words!!)

rather it shows that God made creatures after their own kinds.

[TommyLewis]

I'm late to this thread...but...I wasn't homeschooled, and am 99.99999999% sure I will not homeschool my kids. I have a little bit of a bitter taste in my mouth towards homeschooling because of the many Message believing young people whose lives I have seen severly hindered because of a dogmatic insistence on homeschooling by parents who had no business homeschooling.
I'm not entirely against it, but I do think there should be certain requirements. for example, whomever is doing the majority of the teaching should be required to have at least a high school diploma and be able to pass a certification test covering the basics in whatever subjects they will be teaching...
Just my two cents...

[SisTrev]

whomever is doing the majority of the teaching should be required to have at least a high school diploma and be able to pass a certification test covering the basics in whatever subjects they will be teaching...
Just my two cents...

i would have to agree with you there. If i didn't have a high school diploma and couldn't pass a test in order to teach my child, then he wouldn't get very far.

(this is also why Zion is using the Abeka home school with dvd's of an actual teacher in an actual classroom actually teaching kids. Zion has all the papers that go along with it and he's just like another kid in the class. Its been wonderful!!! He's in kidnergarten and already writes in cursive and can read. I highly recommend the Abeka for anyone who wants to homeschool their kids.)

[HotShot53]

I'm late to this thread...but...I wasn't homeschooled, and am 99.99999999% sure I will not homeschool my kids. I have a little bit of a bitter taste in my mouth towards homeschooling because of the many Message believing young people whose lives I have seen severly hindered because of a dogmatic insistence on homeschooling by parents who had no business homeschooling.
I'm not entirely against it, but I do think there should be certain requirements. for example, whomever is doing the majority of the teaching should be required to have at least a high school diploma and be able to pass a certification test covering the basics in whatever subjects they will be teaching...
Just my two cents...

I'm sure you meet the requirements you said, though... so why are you so certain you wouldn't do it? I've seen a ton of people (myself included) where homeschooling has been very beneficial... (In PA it is a requirement that you have at least a HS diploma to homeschool, though I guess each state is different )

[Skirty]

I can see why people would want to homeschool their children... especially if there are no other children their age in the message.
I won't home school my children, that's just a personal thing.
I think it's great that some parents have the dedication and the ability to do it though.

[JMG]

What we do know is how long it took though... the evening and the morning comes on a pretty regular basis ;) And I don't think anyone could claim anything "evolved" in that time period...


Ok, how long were the six days of creation?

[vpiper]

is time for God the same as Time for us?

[NoahL]

Ok, how long were the six days of creation?

Verse 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Verse 8: And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Verse 13: And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Verse 19: And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Verse 23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Verse 31: And God saw every thing that he had mad, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


I would say, according to Genesis... the six day creation was just that. Six literal days. One evening, one morning = one day.

[Noe]

A.C.E.(M) i think it now has an 'M' on the end but not certain, is also good to use for home educating. Everything is easily explained for the child to understand and if they can't then the parents will have no problem understanding.
A.C.E = Accelerated Christian Education

[leahmb]

I would say, according to Genesis... the six day creation was just that. Six literal days. One evening, one morning = one day.

2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[NoahL]

2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

1 day = 1000 years.

1000 years = 1 day.

When I read this scripture, the thought that comes into my mind is, "Time is irrelevant to God." He always has been, He always will be, He always is. Before the creation, time didn't exist. There was no "beginning" to God. He was just there. I do NOT think this scripture means that God took six thousand years for creation. When creation started, time started. Sun comes up in the morning, sun goes down in the evening. Sun comes up, sun goes down = one day. One Evening, and one morning = one day. That's how I see it. Are you saying you disagree?


*discussion ensues*

[leahmb]

I don't know if I'd call it disagree, but I think I do believe it took 6000 years to create the earth.

I've spent probably the last half an hour trying to search for a scripture that says something along the lines that man will die the same day he is born. Because if that scripture is true and a day of God's is a day of ours, then there would be no human population.

It also explains why Methusalah couldn't live past 1000 years. "27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died."

[NoahL]

I can see where you are coming from, however, if each day of creation took 1000 years, why does the Bible say "And the evening (singular) and the morning (again singular) were the first day." If it was 1000 years, there would be a whole lot more evenings and mornings.

[leahmb]

When creation started, time started. Sun comes up in the morning, sun goes down in the evening. Sun comes up, sun goes down = one day. One Evening, and one morning = one day.

Kind of off topic, but a definition of a day can't be when the sun comes up/goes down, because it wasn't created until the 4th day.....

[marichino_freedom]

true....and God doesnt experience "time" like we do. for what was 1000 years on earth very well could have been equivilent to 1 "day" for God.

[NoahL]

Kind of off topic, but a definition of a day can't be when the sun comes up/goes down, because it wasn't created until the 4th day.....

Ok, that was an oversite on my part. That still doesn't explain how one evening and one morning equal more than one day.



16-2 Now, we had that this morning, went through the drama, how the--the Father came down and looked at His son made in His image, and so forth. Then he made him a wife, a helpmate.
Now, remember, that all of the creatures of the earth, Adam had named them. He had made the--the cattle and the beasts, and everything. And today, we chronologists and--and different great minds of science have been trying for six thousand years to find out that missing link, why that animal... Man is animal life; we know that. That we're made... And a woman is just a part of a man, a byproduct. A woman was not in the original creation. God had done quit creating for years and years and years, until He made the woman out of a rib out of his side.

If I'm reading this correctly, it says to me that Adam was a part of the original six day creation, and Eve was not. The problem with your theory is the Seventh day. What happened? God rested. But if each day is 1000 years, then Adam would have been more than 1000 by the time God got around to creating Eve. Right?

[vpiper]

noah, There was no death before Eve sinned, So why would Adam have aged.

These are all good questions, but is your faith based on this? Mine is based on God and his promise of Eternal life.

just don't allow not knowing for sure to shake your faith.

[JMG]

1 day = 1000 years.

1000 years = 1 day.

When I read this scripture, the thought that comes into my mind is, "Time is irrelevant to God." He always has been, He always will be, He always is. Before the creation, time didn't exist. There was no "beginning" to God. He was just there. I do NOT think this scripture means that God took six thousand years for creation. When creation started, time started. Sun comes up in the morning, sun goes down in the evening. Sun comes up, sun goes down = one day. One Evening, and one morning = one day. That's how I see it. Are you saying you disagree?


*discussion ensues*


As Brother Branham said one time, the scirptures mean exactly what they say. However do you truely understand what the scripture is saying?
Now when you refer to the sun comes up and the sun goes down and that this is equivalent to one day, to whom or what are you making this refrence to? If you are refering to the earth, then yes, the earth rotates one cycle on its axis and this is one day, one solar day to be precise. But if you are refering to God this is a very narrow definition of time with God, becasue it is implying that God for the lack of a better term "measured" time according to the spin cycle of the earth. Question: why would God, who is omnipotent "measure" time according to the spin cycle of the earth?

[JMG]

Ok, that was an oversite on my part. That still doesn't explain how one evening and one morning equal more than one day.



If I'm reading this correctly, it says to me that Adam was a part of the original six day creation, and Eve was not. The problem with your theory is the Seventh day. What happened? God rested. But if each day is 1000 years, then Adam would have been more than 1000 by the time God got around to creating Eve. Right?

That is correct, Adam was part of the original creation. However, even if Adam was more than 1000 years old by the time God created Eve from a rib taken from Adams side, what does it matter? Because even if Adam was more than a thousand years old, this was before the fall, hence even after a very long time Adam would have still been as "new" as the day he was formed out of the dust of the ground.

[vpiper]

no one reads what I say

[countrygurl]

A.C.E.(M) i think it now has an 'M' on the end but not certain, is also good to use for home educating. Everything is easily explained for the child to understand and if they can't then the parents will have no problem understanding.
A.C.E = Accelerated Christian Education

Their "algebra" isn't that great...

[leahmb]

I did read it and I agree. This matter has nothing to do with my salvation and even if we disagree on the details, it won't (hopefully) affect our eternal life. It's just a theological debate.

[vpiper]

thank you :) so I guess i done

[marichino_freedom]

i read yours too......and its a very good point.

[BroTrevor]

AHHHH!!!!

An intellectually stimulating discussion!!

It's been so long since this has happened...I hardly know what to do.


Ok, so I agree with the 1000 years thing, only because without it, it breaks too many types.

This scripture:

GENESIS 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

is definitely referencing 1000 years. I know this because Bro Branham spoke of when we live for 1000 years in the Mellinnium it will show that curse has been broken.


FELLOWSHIP_ MIDDLETOWN.OH SATURDAY_ 60-0611B
In six thousand years, God built the world. Seven thousand is a type of the millennium, His rest.
Now, as I said the other night, two thousand years, something's happened. First two thousand, Noah built the ark. Second two thousand, Christ come. Nineteen hundred and sixty, almost to the end... See? And now the seventh... As God labored and built the world in six days, six thousands years (which we know the Scripture speaks that a day is a thousand years in heaven), and the seventh thousand... The church has labored against sin for six thousand years, and the seventh thousand is the millennium and memorial to all creation, that God has redeemed His church. Told Adam, "The day you eat thereof, that day you die."
When He lets a man live through the thousand years, is a type and a memorial that He will never no more destroy man, and there'll never no more be sin, that he's back in fellowship with God, eternally. Amen. That's right. We're right at it now.



QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.1_ JEFF.IN COD SUNDAY_ 64-0823M
962-189 Now, in here, I believe with all my heart I--we are, or this days... If we're not, somebody is; it's got to be. Time has run out; we're at the end. Every... The world...
God made the world in six thousand years, and the seventh thousand He rested. He said a man will never live that time out--a--a year--or--or day--"day you eat thereof, the day you die." Adam--or Methuselah was the oldest man that ever lived in the Bible, and he was 969 years old; and he never lived that thousand years. But the man that's going to live through the millennium, one thousand years, to show that the--that the penalty has been paid... Man lives forever; the day is finished; the time is finished; they're in eternity.


But, I still can't explain "evening and morning"

<reads Genesis 1>

ooh...maybe so.

The evening and morning were part of the first day, still before the sun and moon were created.

Then on the 4th day, he creates the sun and moon, and he says to divide the "day from the night" which seems to be different from evening and morning.


As a side note, this is obviously why the jews have the evening as the beginning of their "day". I never caught that before.

Let the interesting discussion continue!!

[BroTrevor]

These are all good questions, but is your faith based on this? Mine is based on God and his promise of Eternal life.

just don't allow not knowing for sure to shake your faith.

I hardly think this is shaking Noah's faith.

But isn't it interesting to discuss at least?

Has this discussion caused anyone else to search the message and read some scripture? For shame if not you lazy people!! (uh...I'm using the term lazy loosely there so's no one gets offended)

[vpiper]

I'm not so worried about Noah, it's those beginning out that gets hindered by questions like this

[marichino_freedom]

thanks for posting those bro t.....i'm too lazy to look them up myself :D lol

[BroTrevor]

As Brother Branham said one time, the scirptures mean exactly what they say. However do you truely understand what the scripture is saying?
Now when you refer to the sun comes up and the sun goes down and that this is equivalent to one day, to whom or what are you making this refrence to? If you are refering to the earth, then yes, the earth rotates one cycle on its axis and this is one day, one solar day to be precise. But if you are refering to God this is a very narrow definition of time with God, becasue it is implying that God for the lack of a better term "measured" time according to the spin cycle of the earth. Question: why would God, who is omnipotent "measure" time according to the spin cycle of the earth?

Now that is certainly an interesting idea. The only thing I can think of as to why it says "a day is as 1000 days" in the scripture is because it is God's Word to US. It's not limiting God, but God is trying to express Himself and make Himself known to us by these scriptures. So he has to relate Himself in some ways in a finite way.

(I'm just typing thoughts here...)

Great stuff!

[Noe]

Their "algebra" isn't that great...

yeah i've heard that, but mom doesn't like to swap and change. a lot of ppl we know use A.C.E, A Becka, and Alpha Omega all at the same time. most chose the A.C.E English because they think its really good

[leahmb]

I used Abeka and at the time thought it was too hard, but I look back now and see how well it prepared me for public school.

[HotShot53]

on the homeschooling topic: we used Bob Jones for most of our subjects, they were good (and hard) and also were very Christian based... we used saxon for math, though


on the creation topic: what's wrong with reading evening and morning and seeing one day? Is there any reason why creation would take 6,000 years rather than 6 days? As to why God measured time based on our timing... it's cause that's what we would understand ;)

[NoahL]

noah, There was no death before Eve sinned, So why would Adam have aged.

These are all good questions, but is your faith based on this? Mine is based on God and his promise of Eternal life.

just don't allow not knowing for sure to shake your faith.


I will start off with, "Is my faith based on this." Absolutely not. My faith is based on the fact that Jesus died on the cross as payment for my sins, so that I don't get what I 'deserve'. Whether the creation took six literal days, or 6000, isn't going to make me think that I'm lost. It won't cause me to say someone else is lost either, just because they don't agree with me. I merely had some time to kill, and thought this would be a good topic to discuss. If there is a rule against having thought provoking topics on this forum, then I certainly missed it. ;)


That is correct, Adam was part of the original creation. However, even if Adam was more than 1000 years old by the time God created Eve from a rib taken from Adams side, what does it matter? Because even if Adam was more than a thousand years old, this was before the fall, hence even after a very long time Adam would have still been as "new" as the day he was formed out of the dust of the ground.

But it says in Genesis 5:5 "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Did the days he was alive before the fall not count?

[JMG]

But it says in Genesis 5:5 "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Did the days he was alive before the fall not count?

Adam was created on the sixth day of creation, that means that it was sometime after a thosand years before Eve was formed from Adams side. Now from the time Eve was formed from Adam's side untill the fall, we do not know how long this period of time was, unless Brother Branham somewhere has said how long this period of time was.
However, untill the fall neither Adam nor Eve aged. They could not age, all of creation was in its rightful place, death had not set in. However when Adam and Eve fell, death set in for the creation, and hence Adam and Eve's bodies aged. Thus eventually they got old and died.

[TommyLewis]

I'm sure you meet the requirements you said, though... so why are you so certain you wouldn't do it? I've seen a ton of people (myself included) where homeschooling has been very beneficial... (In PA it is a requirement that you have at least a HS diploma to homeschool, though I guess each state is different )


I just don't think it is something I want to do...Amongst other things, I feel that trained, professional teachers can probably do a better job than I can teaching my children.

In all honesty, I know of very few situations where in retrospect home schooling was truely the best option...Most people I know who were homeschooled definetly could have benefited from a school environment.

[TommyLewis]

Adam was created on the sixth day of creation, that means that it was sometime after a thosand years before Eve was formed from Adams side. Now from the time Eve was formed from Adam's side untill the fall, we do not know how long this period of time was, unless Brother Branham somewhere has said how long this period of time was.
However, untill the fall neither Adam nor Eve aged. They could not age, all of creation was in its rightful place, death had not set in. However when Adam and Eve fell, death set in for the creation, and hence Adam and Eve's bodies aged. Thus eventually they got old and died.

This doesnt answer the question...

[AlanaH]

Ya'll know just how confusing it is to read both about homeschooling and keep up with the theological debate at the same time?

And as to the theological side, I think it's an interesting topic, and I'm enjoying reading it. Just so you all know. :)

[HotShot53]

I just don't think it is something I want to do...Amongst other things, I feel that trained, professional teachers can probably do a better job than I can teaching my children.

If they were just teaching a couple kids, then yeah, they might do a better job... but when they teach 20-30 kids, they have to go at a pace where everyone can keep up, which means the more advanced don't always advance as fast as they could. Plus, homeschooling gives a ton more flexibility, if the child has an interest in one thing or another, they can focus on that more so than you could in school.

[AlanaH]

That's what happened with me. Mom was big into music because that's what I liked the best. Also English and writing because I wanted to be a journalist. (still do, but that's probably not going to happen now).

[BroTrevor]

This doesnt answer the question...

what WAS the question?

I'm having a little trouble grasping the "Adam didn't start aging until the fall"...

Days and nights were created before Adam, and while it's true that his body wouldn't have started "dying" until the fall, he still would have had "created days" (similar to our birthdays <chuckle>). I think he still would have been "alive" for days/months/years and thusly AGING in a time sense, although not aging in a physical sense.

(suddenly "aging" doesn't look like it's spelled right to me)

- Trevor



Happy formed from the dust day to you.
Happy formed from the dust day to you.
Happy formed from the dust day dear Adam.
Happy formed from the dust day to you.

[leahmb]

Thank you Brother Trevor for posting! I think that "the day you eat, you'll surely die" scripture is the one I was looking for :) Actually, you'll be proud to find out that, yes, I did do some research. I am on a work computer, so I don't have the message, but I found a helpful Bible search website, so I did all kinds of searches looking for scriptures. *I like the 'song* :D

[NoahL]

what WAS the question?

I'm having a little trouble grasping the "Adam didn't start aging until the fall"...

Days and nights were created before Adam, and while it's true that his body wouldn't have started "dying" until the fall, he still would have had "created days" (similar to our birthdays <chuckle>). I think he still would have been "alive" for days/months/years and thusly AGING in a time sense, although not aging in a physical sense.

(suddenly "aging" doesn't look like it's spelled right to me)

- Trevor

The question was... Adam was created on the 6th day of the original creation. Eve was created after the original creation. If each day of creation was 1,000 years, Adam would have been more than 1,000 years old by the time Eve was created, because God rested on the 7th day of creation. But in Genesis it says all the days Adam lived were 930 years. (Gen 5:5) It doesn't say, "All the days Adam lived after the fall were 930 years." So if Adam died at 930 years old, how could he have lived the entire 7th day that God rested before Eve showed up.

[leahmb]

About homeschooling......I can see both sides of the story. Personally, I would say our family is one of the 'success' stories. Although, some may beg to differ, since we all did some part of middle school and most of high school publicly. However, I know many other families who it just did not work out well for. And it really irks me when people 'homeschool' their children and it's just an excuse for the kids not to go to school and the kids don't learn anything--it's totally not fair to the child!

Some things I think were good for me was:
-I loved reading and was able to do as much as I wanted.
-I needed extra sleep (and still do)
-I was self-motivated, so I did the same amount as work in about half the time and finished subjects normally starting in February
-Dad was on shift work, so we were able to see him
-Had lots of family-bonding time
-Flexible schedule
-Had a strict curriculum, so I did well on state testing
-Was used to an 'unbending' teacher when I started public school
-Obviously a Christian environment

Not-so-good things:
-I never participated in an organized sport; I think it would have been good for me
-I was really scared of people I didn't know
-I didn't gain confidence in myself until I had been in school a few years
-Wasn't able to see the good in non-believers

[marichino_freedom]

i think i would have been fine if i was homeschooled. the trouble is, school was my sanctuary. i LIVED there. i just never wanted to go home. its not that i had a horrible home life, but it was my "escape" if you will. i got to particpate in school plays, and i was involved in almost every club imaginable....even the "president" of one for two straight years. my school had some wonderful programs, and in elementry school, even though it was catholic, it was still based on God. i would have done fine in homeschooling, but i'm glad i got the environment i did. some public schools are awful.....i was lucky that mine was not so bad.

[leahmb]

I got to particpate in school plays, and i was involved in almost every club imaginable....even the "president" of one for two straight years.

Those are some definate advantages! In Washington state homeschoolers can participate in any school activities, because we have to pay taxes anyways to the school.

What clubs were you president of?

[marichino_freedom]

the Art club.....i always planned field trips and whatnot to museums and galleries.

[AlanaH]

We belonged to a homeschool group that did all kinds of fun field trips and stuff...pretty great.

[leahmb]

the Art club.....i always planned field trips and whatnot to museums and galleries.

I am not talented enough to be in an Art club...lol...but I was VP of Future Business Leaders of America and National Honor Society.

[marichino_freedom]

lol....i was in NHS too, and Students helping students, student council, chess club (for a while), ROTC, and Academic Decathalon.

plus concert choir, and all the musicals/plays

and a job or two.....

busy busy

[leahmb]

busy busy

That's the way to do it! It helps your resume, you make more friends, and have a more pleasant high school experience!

[joris]

what WAS the question?

I'm having a little trouble grasping the "Adam didn't start aging until the fall"...

Days and nights were created before Adam, and while it's true that his body wouldn't have started "dying" until the fall, he still would have had "created days" (similar to our birthdays <chuckle>). I think he still would have been "alive" for days/months/years and thusly AGING in a time sense, although not aging in a physical sense.uhm; but, I don't know, did he count days like that? come on, what's the fun in counting days - or the human way of looking at time - unless it's for appointments - anyway, human practical organisational things. Anyway am just babbling; was wondering whether he had anything like "created days"/birthdays like we have... :)

[TommyLewis]

If they were just teaching a couple kids, then yeah, they might do a better job... but when they teach 20-30 kids, they have to go at a pace where everyone can keep up, which means the more advanced don't always advance as fast as they could.

I would agree that homeschooling can be beneficial for "gifted" kids...although there are definite benefits that result from the so called "gifted" kids having to learn at the same pace as everyone else.


Plus, homeschooling gives a ton more flexibility, if the child has an interest in one thing or another, they can focus on that more so than you could in school.

I dont necesarily think that's a good thing...Especially at an early age, it is good for kids to be forced to study and learn about a wide variety of subjects, even those that they do not enjoy.

[HotShot53]

I would agree that homeschooling can be beneficial for "gifted" kids...although there are definite benefits that result from the so called "gifted" kids having to learn at the same pace as everyone else.

I dont necesarily think that's a good thing...Especially at an early age, it is good for kids to be forced to study and learn about a wide variety of subjects, even those that they do not enjoy.

going at the pace the kid can go best at is good, whether they are gifted, or need more time... kids who learn slow and fall behind the class benefit even more from homeschooling, cause they can actually take the time needed to learn the one thing before going onto the next, instead of always having to try to catch up with step 3 when they never did figure out step 1.

And of course they have to study a wide variety of things, or at least they should... but even so, you can focus more on one or two things, but still learn the rest too

[Nate]

Ultimately, it just turns into a nature vs. nurture debate.

[TommyLewis]

Ultimately, it just turns into a nature vs. nurture debate.

In a way it does...many things do, there is a reason it is one of the fundamental questions of modern society.

I think I'm done with the homeschool debate...there is too much I could say that I probably shouldnt, at least not through this medium...

[BroTrevor]

In a way it does...many things do, there is a reason it is one of the fundamental questions of modern society.

I think I'm done with the homeschool debate...there is too much I could say that I probably shouldnt, at least not through this medium...

It's evident you disagree with homeschooling.

I'm picking up that you think the social environment is the most lacking in a homeschool environment, or that lazy parents make bad teachers.

Is that a decent summary of your feelings?

[marichino_freedom]

a few years ago, i would have been against it.....but now that i've seen the other side of it, and what fantastic people homeschooling produces, i'm more apt to lean that way

[countrygurl]

yeah i've heard that, but mom doesn't like to swap and change. a lot of ppl we know use A.C.E, A Becka, and Alpha Omega all at the same time. most chose the A.C.E English because they think its really good

Their english is good, and their science and social studies and spelling. but their highschool math is horrible.. I did Saxon after I quit going to the A.C.E school.

[Noe]

math 1075 was the worst. it took me 2 yrs to complete.

They are changing the math, in England anyway, so my siblings will use a better math curriculum

[AlanaH]

going at the pace the kid can go best at is good, whether they are gifted, or need more time... kids who learn slow and fall behind the class benefit even more from homeschooling, cause they can actually take the time needed to learn the one thing before going onto the next, instead of always having to try to catch up with step 3 when they never did figure out step 1.

And of course they have to study a wide variety of things, or at least they should... but even so, you can focus more on one or two things, but still learn the rest too

I agree so much with this post. We did our own methods, and I think I learned way more quickly than I would have otherwise.
I'm all for it.

Just so you know, my mom had a college degree to teach me too, so she wasn't just winging it.

[TommyLewis]

It's evident you disagree with homeschooling.

I'm picking up that you think the social environment is the most lacking in a homeschool environment, or that lazy parents make bad teachers.

Is that a decent summary of your feelings?


Thats a start...there is more too it than that...Having grown up in the message, I've known a lot of people who have been homeschooled...in the vast majority of the situations I have observed it has hurt the child more than it has helped.

[AlanaH]

But that doesn't go for all of us. I know lots of people that turned out perfectly well and were homeschooled.

[HotShot53]

Thats a start...there is more too it than that...Having grown up in the message, I've known a lot of people who have been homeschooled...in the vast majority of the situations I have observed it has hurt the child more than it has helped.

I've also grown up "in the message", besides being homeschooled myself and knowing other homeschoolers from homeschool groups... and in the vast majority of situations I've seen, it has helped more than hurt ;) I guess you must have seen all of the worst cases, and I all the best cases...

[HotShot53]

But that doesn't go for all of us. I know lots of people that turned out perfectly well and were homeschooled.

I hope so... most of the people on the forums were homeschooled ;) (Look at the poll... though we've had turnover since that poll, it's still pretty telling.)

[AlanaH]

No kidding.
Just for the record, my two best students are homeschooled. I have no problem keeping their attention, and they are so interactive.

[BroTrevor]

I hope so... most of the people on the forums were homeschooled ;) (Look at the poll... though we've had turnover since that poll, it's still pretty telling.)

So are we to conclude then that most homeschoolers seem to be online more than non-homeschoolers?

[HotShot53]

So are we to conclude then that most homeschoolers seem to be online more than non-homeschoolers?

Actually, it's probably more of what Tommy said, that a high percentage of message believers homeschool. Though now that you mention it, homeschoolers often do spend more time online while being homeschooled...

[TommyLewis]

I've also grown up "in the message", besides being homeschooled myself and knowing other homeschoolers from homeschool groups... and in the vast majority of situations I've seen, it has helped more than hurt ;) I guess you must have seen all of the worst cases, and I all the best cases...

More likely we are seeing different sides of the same cases...Its all good though...just different paradigms...

[AlanaH]

Oh yeah. The classic, "ask two people for an opinion and you will get three" case.

[Nate]

I think what he's getting at is homeschoolers commonly don't know how to play dumb for the rest of the world.

Their learning curve for social interaction tends to be a bit more steep, and they never really get the whole small talk thing that's pretty much the biggest part of what you learn in public school.
One of the basic facts of life is that it doesn't matter what you know, but who you know, and what you have to show for it. IE, get connections and a diploma, and you're set. Doesn't matter if you're the most competent person for the job.
But once again, there's more exceptions to any rule than there are adherents, so, make up your own minds.

There are so many facets to a kid's education, that you've gotta handle it by person. When you've got kids, you'll figure it out. Besides, whether or not you screw the kid up's only entirely dependent on your ability to figure out and do what's right, so don't sweat it.

[Dream Orange]

My mother has been homeschooling my siblings for the past 11 years now. I really like it!!!

[TommyLewis]

I think what he's getting at is homeschoolers commonly don't know how to play dumb for the rest of the world.

Please explain...

[Nate]

Please explain...

They don't learn the art of small talk, I guess would be another way of putting it. Or when to switch from small talk to a conversation. Or when not to. Or how to not say the first thing that comes to mind.

[TommyLewis]

They don't learn the art of small talk, I guess would be another way of putting it. Or when to switch from small talk to a conversation. Or when not to. Or how to not say the first thing that comes to mind.

I've never really thought of that as being the result of homeschooling...I've always seen that as more of a personality trait...

[AlanaH]

I've always thought most small talk to be boring. So is that because I was homeschooled, or would I have been that way even in public school because that's my personality? :confused:

[vpiper]

They don't learn the art of small talk, I guess would be another way of putting it. Or when to switch from small talk to a conversation. Or when not to. Or how to not say the first thing that comes to mind.

must be a result of the home school teacher, because my Hubby a product of home schooling is so good a polite small talk you would like he always enjoyed himself and he can talk to anyone about anything. I a product of public school tend to sit there and look stupid or say something I shouldn't.

[marichino_freedom]

it depends on the situation and the people for me....i'm kinda quiet and nervous around new people, but after i get warmed up......i cant stop the talking!!!!!! (just ask vanessa) :D

[Cherith F.]

I was homeschooled from 4th grade thru high school. It was alraight but sometimes you lack others to talk to. But, on the other hand you can go on vacation anytime for as long as you want. That's pretty good.

[JORDAN]

I have been homeschooled since second grade and have absolutely no problem with small talk or regular conversation although that could come from having five siblings to talk to

[jordancpeterson]

Yeah... the very idea that we'd be socially handicapped is ironic and quite disturbing... in fact I tend to think it's the other way around... or maybe we just talk a bit too much sometimes! ;)

[TommyLewis]

Talking too much is a form of social handicap...
One that I have often suffered from...

[jordancpeterson]

Heh, my point exactly... :D

[countrygurl]

I have NEVER felt under-socialized because I was home-schooled.

[jordancpeterson]

I can believe that one!!! LOL!

[countrygurl]

Hey now...I can't help that you were..Don't be jealous..

[JMG]

Ahhhh... Cheers to you all, fellow homeschoolers, you all who have by your lives thorughly trounced the notion that you all would be socialy backwards! :)

[vpiper]

it depends on the situation and the people for me....i'm kinda quiet and nervous around new people, but after i get warmed up......i cant stop the talking!!!!!! (just ask vanessa) :D

she is right, but she was not homeschooled, I think it depends on the parents and the child

[marichino_freedom]

yeah....my dad was more of the "why aren't you talking to these strange people you've never met before" and my mom can't even get up the nerves to walk down the aisle in august (well she CAN its just that she's nervous of people thinking bad things about her)

[Destined to fly]

homeschooling i geat i love it!!!:love: