The Number 4

[AndrewMichael]

Alright, I think it's my turn to start one of these.

I have really been confused about this number. Many times, though hard to find exact quotes on the number "four," but Brother Branham said that the number 4 is a manly number, and God is not in it. Just 3's, 5's, 7's, 12's...etc.

But here is a couple things that confuse me. 1 Corinthians 11:3- but I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

So we have woman-man-Christ-God. 4.

The other one that really sticks out is the restoration of the Church. Luther-justification, Wesley-Santification, Pentecost-baptism of the Holy Ghost, Malachai 4-literal life of Jesus Christ. 4 stages again, prophesied in Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. God using the four stages to restore the Church back to it's original position.

And the last one was Jesus raised Lasurus up on the fourth day, why not the third, or the fifth.

Maybe someone else has had this confusion. Discussion time....

[BroTrevor]

The other one that really sticks out is the restoration of the Church. Luther-justification, Wesley-Santification, Pentecost-baptism of the Holy Ghost, Malachai 4-literal life of Jesus Christ. 4 stages again, prophesied in Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. God using the four stages to restore the Church back to it's original position.


Uhm... I thought Bro Branham brought the baptism of the Holy Ghost message back. How can Luther bring back justification, Wesley bring Sanctification, but Pentecost (not a messenger.) bring the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

This is a work of God you're talking about there. So it's a 3.

My 4 cents...

[FreeAtLast]

Bro. Branham definitely always preached 3 steps to glory:

Justification, Santification and the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

He said you have to keep your numbers in order. Didnt speak of 4.
He even pointed back that he had preached this same gospel (justification, santification and the baptism of the Holy Ghost) since his early ministry - and never changed it!

[AndrewMichael]

Well here is what I have just recently found out about. The difference between the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost living inside of us. The story was that a man asked Brother Branham this and he gave him a pen. "This is a gift of Brother Branham." But he said, and I'm paraphasing, "Just because I gave you that gift doesn't mean that you actually know the person of the gift." That the baptism of the Holy Ghost is merely the beginning and if we don't know Him, then we don't have the Holy Ghost in us.

And still, no one has meantioned that the prophecy in Joel had four stages, and this was a definite type of Luther, Wesley, Pentecost, and Brother Branham... or Lazurus' being raised from the dead... and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost started back in 1909, Brother Branham brought the fullness of Christ that the pentecostal movement still lacked, which I have to deem another stage of the Joel prophecy.

[BroTrevor]

And still, no one has meantioned that the prophecy in Joel had four stages, and this was a definite type of Luther, Wesley, Pentecost, and Brother Branham... or Lazurus' being raised from the dead... and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost started back in 1909, Brother Branham brought the fullness of Christ that the pentecostal movement still lacked, which I have to deem another stage of the Joel prophecy.


JOEL 2:28
28 ¶ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

That one?

[AndrewMichael]

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

The four stages to restoring God's Church. I have just always been confused about this one in particular because it is in four stages.

[joris]

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

The four stages to restoring God's Church. I have just always been confused about this one in particular because it is in four stages.that text only talks about four plagues, (or stages?), to destroy; what tells you there are also four stages to restore that damage? :confused:

[BroTrevor]

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

The four stages to restoring God's Church. I have just always been confused about this one in particular because it is in four stages.

I guess we'll just have to consult that message...

[AndrewMichael]

Actually I just listened to a whole message this Sunday at my church about this topic and it explains how the stages of the insect follow directly with what happened in the Church, in the destruction and the restoration ... Great study with Bro. Lonnie and once it is on the BCF site, I could link it and maybe if you guys wanted to you could watch it, he explains it far better than I ever could.... But the four is what's got me all confused about it...

[Angelo]

We used to talk about representation of numbers before, and we actually considered the number (4) as redemtion. I just don't know yet where the qoute is, but I'll try to look for it.

[AndrewMichael]

We used to talk about representation of numbers before, and we actually considered the number (4) as redemtion. I just don't know yet where the qoute is, but I'll try to look for it.

That would make sense because the for stages of Joel were for the redemption of the Church, and Lazurus being brought back from the dead would be like redeeming his body..... Good thought.

[FreeAtLast]

Well here is what I have just recently found out about. The difference between the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost living inside of us. The story was that a man asked Brother Branham this and he gave him a pen. "This is a gift of Brother Branham." But he said, and I'm paraphasing, "Just because I gave you that gift doesn't mean that you actually know the person of the gift." That the baptism of the Holy Ghost is merely the beginning and if we don't know Him, then we don't have the Holy Ghost in us.

When you receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost you receive the Holy Ghost inside.
What you are saying is not quite scriptural and Bro. Branham didn´t teach it like that.
There is a difference between receiving the Holy Ghost on your flesh or even spirit or receiving the Holy Ghost in your soul. Once you´ve received the genuine baptism of the Holy Ghost then you surely know Him - for then He lives within you!

[Jezz]

We used to talk about representation of numbers before, and we actually considered the number (4) as redemtion. I just don't know yet where the qoute is, but I'll try to look for it.

THE.GREAT.COMMISSION_ EDMONTON.AB SUNDAY_ 57-0804A
E-79 Now, until we meet now at six o'clock, either Billy or this boy here... My little boy has growed up since I was here before. And I got another little boy, Joseph. Many of you remember me prophesying that little Joseph would come. Years past 'fore he come. And one of the sweetest little things happened a few nights ago. I was at the Christian Businessmen's convention in Chicago and Brother Thoms had just come over on a ship. And the people of Africa had made him a coat of many colors, and Brother Thoms had brought it. I'm sending his picture back. And Brother Thoms, I find out that that little coat has five different colors, and five is the number of redemption: J-E-S-U-S, F-A-I-T-H, and so forth. Well, that's very fine.

REVELATION.CHAPTER.FOUR.3_ JEFF.IN ROJC 645-716 SUNDAY_ 61-0108
272 Now, remember, God's guards of the ark, or the mercy seat. Now, remember. To how many... John saw, how many? Four. How many did--did he see? He seen four too, four living creatures. Now, watch; they both seen the same vision. And four is the number of earth. Did you know that? How many knows now before we have to go into it, four is an earthly number? Sure. Like the four Hebrew... It's an earth... It's a number of earth, of deliverance, deliverance. Now, keep that in your mind, "deliverance," 'cause I'm going to strike it just a minute real hard (See?), deliverance." Now, there was three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, but the fourth One come; it was deliverance. Lazarus was in the grave three days, but when the fourth one come he was delivered. Four is God's number of deliverance, so it showed that these beings must have been something about the earth. I hope you're not too hungry now. I hope your spiritual appetite is a little--a little above your natural now. See? All right.

[joris]

THE.GREAT.COMMISSION_ EDMONTON.AB SUNDAY_ 57-0804A
E-79 Now, until we meet now at six o'clock, either Billy or this boy here... My little boy has growed up since I was here before. And I got another little boy, Joseph. Many of you remember me prophesying that little Joseph would come. Years past 'fore he come. And one of the sweetest little things happened a few nights ago. I was at the Christian Businessmen's convention in Chicago and Brother Thoms had just come over on a ship. And the people of Africa had made him a coat of many colors, and Brother Thoms had brought it. I'm sending his picture back. And Brother Thoms, I find out that that little coat has five different colors, and five is the number of redemption: J-E-S-U-S, F-A-I-T-H, and so forth. Well, that's very fine.well, I don't know what a reason is for five to be redemption, but... I really don't know how many characters there are in the name Yahshua (Jesus) in hebrew; I don't even know what is the word for faith in hebrew; I can tell you the number of characters in Dutch in "faith" ("geloof") is six, not five, so... no I don't think English is a heavenly language; Dutch isn't either; I don't know about Hebrew, but I'd doubt it too :confused: it probably comes closer, though

[Jezz]

well, I don't know what a reason is for five to be redemption, but... I really don't know how many characters there are in the name Yahshua (Jesus) in hebrew; I don't even know what is the word for faith in hebrew; I can tell you the number of characters in Dutch in "faith" ("geloof") is six, not five, so... no I don't think English is a heavenly language; Dutch isn't either; I don't know about Hebrew, but I'd doubt it too :confused: it probably comes closer, though

GABRIEL'S.INSTRUCTIONS.TO.DANIEL_ JEFF.IN DA 1-44 SUNDAY_ 61-0730M
61 We find out that this was sealed with Seven Seals, and each seal was wrapped around. And as the revelation come forth, He pulled the Seal, and undone this, and read what that Seal said; then He undone the next one, the scroll, and read what that Seal said; undone the next one and pulled it out and see what that Seal said, and what the revelation was. That's exactly what our Seven Seals that we're going into shortly, we trust, that will do... Each Seal when it's took off the Book will be unrolled, and that'll show exactly what taken place. We find out that there's seven--five in the plan of redemption. Five is the number, and there's five sevens: Seven Seals, Seven Spirits, seven angels, Seven Trumpets, and seven church ages. So you see, the five sevens is grace. Five is grace, and seven is perfection. So it's just perfectly running just exactly. See? All right.

Currently I have no real thoughts on this subject, just posting Brother Branham quotes to show you what he has said on the subject.

[AndrewMichael]

THE.GREAT.COMMISSION_ EDMONTON.AB SUNDAY_ 57-0804A
E-79 Now, until we meet now at six o'clock, either Billy or this boy here... My little boy has growed up since I was here before. And I got another little boy, Joseph. Many of you remember me prophesying that little Joseph would come. Years past 'fore he come. And one of the sweetest little things happened a few nights ago. I was at the Christian Businessmen's convention in Chicago and Brother Thoms had just come over on a ship. And the people of Africa had made him a coat of many colors, and Brother Thoms had brought it. I'm sending his picture back. And Brother Thoms, I find out that that little coat has five different colors, and five is the number of redemption: J-E-S-U-S, F-A-I-T-H, and so forth. Well, that's very fine.

REVELATION.CHAPTER.FOUR.3_ JEFF.IN ROJC 645-716 SUNDAY_ 61-0108
272 Now, remember, God's guards of the ark, or the mercy seat. Now, remember. To how many... John saw, how many? Four. How many did--did he see? He seen four too, four living creatures. Now, watch; they both seen the same vision. And four is the number of earth. Did you know that? How many knows now before we have to go into it, four is an earthly number? Sure. Like the four Hebrew... It's an earth... It's a number of earth, of deliverance, deliverance. Now, keep that in your mind, "deliverance," 'cause I'm going to strike it just a minute real hard (See?), deliverance." Now, there was three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace, but the fourth One come; it was deliverance. Lazarus was in the grave three days, but when the fourth one come he was delivered. Four is God's number of deliverance, so it showed that these beings must have been something about the earth. I hope you're not too hungry now. I hope your spiritual appetite is a little--a little above your natural now. See? All right.

Well, that was awesome! Good find there Jezz. Five is the number of redemption, and four is the number of earth or deliverance, making it an earthly number but also a number for deliverance. Lazarus was delivered from the earth on the fourth day, the church was delievered from the world systems through four stages, sounds pretty convincing... Thanks for the quotes, that helped me out a lot.

Here's that service I was talking about if anyone is curious...
http://12.161.118.194:8080/ramgen/bcfvideo1/v060517.rv?usehostname

[Angelo]

Indeed! That's what I call clarifying out Jezz, thanks!

Now it's clear to me that Four is deliverance, and Five is redemptive.

<counts off fingers 1,2,3,4,5>:D