Ever feel left behind?

[NoahL]

So does anyone else feel like they're getting left behind by the rest of their youth group when it comes to getting a boy/girl friend? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly satisfied with being single, I don't feel like I'm ready to get into a deeper relationship with someone at this point in my life. But it seems like I'm the only one who is still single, (ok there's me and one other guy... just one) so whenever the youth does get together, I just feel like a third wheel or something. Anybody else run into this? Thoughts? Comments?

[Sara]

Well, i have to admit that i feel the same way... BUT... it doesn't feel as bad, because i'm the only girl at church... AND there are no guys. PERIOD. THAT'S THAT. So... really, there's no way i could really have one right now... The times i feel left behind are at school when i see that everyone seems to have someone except me. I feel great being single too though! BUT there are those times when i feel... how can i say it... i gues i feel like i (need/want/i don't know) a boyfriend... you know??? Yeah... I don't remember who said this earlier, but she said that she had been looking and waiting for Mr. Right ever since she started "liking" boys... (or something like that!) that is so true! I think that's how we all are... (wait, are we??? or is it just us two???) I've felt the same way. Then we go through a change in which we just give up on the looking and prepare ourselves to be single for the rest of our lives. (just joking, but i think it really happens...) THEN we finally decide that it's never going to happen, UNLESS the Lord performs a miracle or something like that... and when we just leave it all in His hands, that is when He seems to finally bring that special someone around. I bet that if you ask all these people who are getting married right now, they'll let you know that somehow things turned out beautifully once they surrendered it all to the Lord.

UNTIL the lord BLESSES us like that... (hehehe...) We should continue to enjoy the "SINGLE LIFE." (hahahaha....) (not that there is much to that...)

:) Sara

[NoahL]

Well it's not that I feel that I "need/want/i don't know)" a girlfriend, it's more like, "I want my friends back". It seems as though whenever where we used to hang out quite a bit, more and more it's just the couples doing stuff together, and us single people, aka: chopped liver ha ha ha :D, are just left to ourselves. It's like whenever they're around each other, they're the only two people in the world and there's no space for anybody else. I mean, I understand that if you're going to marry someone s/he needs to be the most important person in your life but I don't think that means you should leave all your friends behind, ya know what I mean? Well anyways, that was just my little rant for the day, I feel much better now. :)

[Sara]

Well, put it this way brother... When you find the "love of your life" (hahahah) you are going to feel exactly the same way that they are feeling right now!!!! OK??? I know what you mean though, you miss them. I guess i don't exactly understand how that feels, like i said, i don't really have many message believing friends here, so... yeah. If anything, i should be the one feeling bad. At least you get to have fellowship with those who you have around (like that other single guy you mentioned!). BUT in a sense, i understand what you are going through. I'll keep you in my prayers.

*Sara

[Embee]

Noah i know where you are coming from. i love my frends and would like to see them find the man/women of there dreams. but it is hard to see them go .this is like great that i found this i was just telling my mom last night that i thought i was never going to find the one the Lord has for me . it's hard to just sit back and see all your friends find there "some one" when you have never even had a boy friend. i mean i'm 20++ somthing and i have never had a boyfriend . (do thay have nuns in the message) hehehehehe :bigsmile:

now as for you. I have meet you. and your are a sweet guy. some day you will make a girl so happy. so just hold on . you wont be left behind for long . God has your future mate just beyond the next bend in the road.

Sara your not to far from your MAN ether. god has you where your at for a reason and you will some day find that man (he my not be at Your church )but youll find him .

ok time to say GOODBYE :horseman: jump on the horse and ride in to the sun set

[editor]

I kinda know how Noah's feeling. There are two guys in my church my age - and they're both starry-eyed!!!

Anyhow, when they are around they're s/o's - it's no use trying to communicate. I mean, yeah, they don't ingnore me, but it's quite obvious that they aren't interested in communicating with any one else but they're girlfriend. So yah, I've taken to hanging out with the 14 y/o's :cool:

[chocolateismybestfriend]

i honestly dont have that problem. and never have. There is a bunch of youth here (10 or so) none of them are dating that i know of except my sister who is gonna get married in Oct. So i cant really relate.
But - i do know we all go through different cycles in life. You'll go through your time when you only have eyes and ears for your girlfriend too Noah. Then you'll pass the feeling you have now to your friends. :P as they say "what comes around, goes around"

[simple]

Make sure you get the right one.
If hanging out with the 14 year olds keeps your eyes in your head, do it.
Make sure you get the right one.
Love is fun, dating is cool, marriage is a trial. but so are teenagers...
Therefor : man + woman = marriage is the SUM of (teeangers / headaches)
FOR the rest of your life.
Make sure you get the right one.
Person with Holy Ghost <> Person with Holy Ghost
Make sure you get the right one.
Parents/Pastor must approve or prove relationship
Make sure you get the right one.
Not all message youth is message.
Make sure you get the right one.
and lastly...
Make sure you get the right one.

-simple
'there is a but between what you say and what you do.'

[JoeC]

Simple, do you ever make sense?

[collegegirl]

Larry (aka simple), do you ever make sense?
I thought that he made perfect sense. All you have to do is cross your eyes and tilt your head to the left when you read it. :p
What was said makes perfect sense, and makes me wonder why there isn't more youth out there saying that. You know, I remember being at Bro. Jeff Jenkins church when he preached a service about male/female propriety. That day after service, the guys were in one group, and the girls in another. Even the b/f and g/f weren't hanging out. No one was flirting. It was like they were scared to talk to eachother after that. It only lasted 1-2 weeks, but the youngers learn from the olders, and should we wonder why our younger siblings act the way that they do? They watch us. We set the example, and if the older brothers oogle over only the pretty girls lacking character, and the older sisters swoon over only the muscular and "cute" guys, what does it tell them? That looks is all it is? "Beauty is only skin deep/but ugly's to the bone/beauty in time will fade away/but ugly holds it's own". I would much rather wait years to have the right one, then to spend years with a mistake, regretting the fact that I DIDN'T wait.

[blessed]

SImple made a lot of sense to me im 25 and single. All my friends my age and younger are married...i actually thought about becoming a nun :D . But i don't think we have that in the message.

But there is a scripture that says wait upon the Lord. I think since marriage is for life i rather wait on the right one than spend the rest of my life regretting the choice that i made.
Lord Bless

[ancy]

I also think that beauty will fade away and that you shouldn't pick a girl or a boy by the outside looks but by character, but I'd just like to note that if a girl is pretty and ¨popular¨ it doesn't mean that she isn't beautiful from the inside. I sometimes hear girls talking about a girl in a very negative way and it is all because they are full of envy because the girl in question is beautiful or popular. I think that is very disgraceful. Especially when the girls are Christians.

[Christian-Samurai]

It is easy to call yourself Christian, Not so easy to be one. It is true that one shouldn't be talking bad about the other in this way. But as Simple said Not all message youth is message. I think we need to ask ourself what is causing these things to be said about them, but not use idle words behind their back.

anyway, In this place that God has put my in my life, all of my message friends are on the internet. My church is a small home church with only my close family as the memebers. That makes about 10 of us. Though we are in a large enough city, It seems this place doesn't have much appeal to the rest of the saints of God. :D I dont have the feeling of being left behind in this place. Though we have our ups and down God continues to bless us. All of my non message friends are also on the net. In this city all the friends I have made here have moved out state, LOL does that say something about me? HAHA I hope not. :D

I am the eldest of my family and the next eldest?, he is married and they already have their first child. Isnt it traditional that the first is suppose to get married? Left behind, Not hardly. All things in God's due time.

Although I do have someone in my mind, but she is a little farther out of reach than most. Across the ocean in another country, and being that I have no funds yet to go there to be with her. Talk about needing patience. Again. All things in God's due time.

[blessed]

hmmm... are u going to china :D

[Christian-Samurai]

Yes, I will make it, but I am not going to beable to do it on my own. My current job just dosnt provide enough money for me save for the trip. I am going to need help to make it , so that means lots of prayer for me to find a way. So please remember me. :D

[collegegirl]

I take my hat off to you, that you are willing to learn someone else's culture to get to know them better, and that you are willing to have such a long-distance relationship. I have seen a relationship between people of two different nationalities, and it is hard work. I will try to remember you in prayer.

[Christian-Samurai]

well for Us the only reall hard part is trying to find away to get together, The rest really hasnt been a problem. We just put God first, take one step at a time, and try to be open and communicative as possible. :D and ya know God Being first has worked well for us so far.

Learning someone elses culture isnt the hard part for me. I love learning all I can, and a bonus for me is she is from the lands that I find most fascinating. Of course It is an amazing story how we met, But then again all God's stories are amazing. :D She is my best friend.

[collegegirl]

That is so sweet. I am happy for you both. I will pray for you both. You need tell us the story of how you both met.

[Christian-Samurai]

NAHHHH you dont want to be bored with that old story :D

[collegegirl]

I can tell by that smiley that the story is anything but boring. I'll bet you review it all the time in your mind, and you are amazed that you even met her. :D

[blessed]

This is one story i definitely want to hear, come on christian tell us, tell us..... im sure its soooooooo romantic :D

[Christian-Samurai]

I think you guys just like to see me blush alot, cause thats what happen each time you ask this question. LOL :D

[collegegirl]

Too bad the only red face is the angry one. LOL :D So come on. Spill the beans. We want to hear it. If you don't, we shall have to resort to guessing, and then making up the story ourselves, and then it will be probably be way out of wack. :D So, there is your choice. Are you gonna tell us, or are we gonna have to guess? :p

[Christian-Samurai]

yeah yeah I'll Tell you but I'll put it as a new post and get it off this one :D talk about twisting ones arm lol

[collegegirl]

Somehow I don't think that you require much twisting to convince you to tell us about your favorite subject. LOL :p

[Christian-Samurai]

Its not that big of a story, just a simple, humble thing thats all :D

[blessed]

Well i read it and it was pretty big to me pls keep us posted oh and remember i already invited myself to the wedding and im inviting collegegirl to :yay: :buhbye:

[collegegirl]

:thumbup: Totally cool. Thank you so much. Do we get like, second row seats. :aaaah:

[blessed]

Since we are specially invited guest i guess so .......:D

[Christian-Samurai]

yes second row back from the nose bleeds :D If I was getting married right now I would have to get married 2 times, once over there for her parents and once over here for mine :D and your only invited to the wedding in china heh heh heh

[collegegirl]

I have never been out of country. You know, my dad is a wedding photographer. Is China nice? :)

[Christian-Samurai]

you saw one of the photos of Hui with the mountains behind her, china is a very beautiful country in alot of it like the US, we each have out ups and downs, you look up some photos of it, it takes your breath away :D

[blessed]

:hey!: hey i read that post about u inviting us to the wedding in china, u know i can't go to that one... :ranting:

[Christian-Samurai]

Really?? what a bummer lol ;) I know we'll just be so dissapointed, well maybe I will just get married ther and just have a family party here and you can come to that :D

[collegegirl]

After all of that moral support, and then you say that it will be just a bummer. :sad: I just feel so....loved. Waaaa! :cry:

[Christian-Samurai]

Awwww poor sis, You are invited, both of you to what ever happens, :)

I dont know if I will really see anyone coming to my wedding other than some close family. The only ones who came to my graduation was my mom pop one bro, my sis and another brother we know from, and I sent out a bunch of invites :( lol oh well we will see :D

[poetanna]

Hey I'm invited too right?!?
DeAnna

[All4Jesus]

Isn't it amazing how some people can have godly parents and know all about the true word but still manage to go behind every1(even at church:the house of God) and do some amazing naughty stuff. I used to think every single person who attended church was a true believer. How wrong i was! Every young person at my church messes with the word of God. No one knows any message websites. Girl/boy relationships are a big prob at my church. I know that they probably think i'm so crazy not getting involved but I love God too much to mess about at all. How can a person do that to God?

At this time i'm reading the spoken word influence and it's helping me to overcome the probs i have when i'm around the youth. They try to turn me to what they are but i can never leave God. I know they are 'church' people but they are wrong so lately i'm not talking to them. I have tried to tell some older people about the mess but nobody believes me: they are very popular by the way that nobody notices or cares.

I feel pretty down. It's so unfair they get away with sin like that right in front of every1 but nothing is done because they are popular. I feel alone.
:drool: :drool: :drool:

[Christian-Samurai]

The rain falls on the just and the unjust, dont let it get you down friend :) we all have our parts to play even if it is the lone ranger of parts. it can be sad sometimes to see those we care about doing things like this but we each have our own walk with Christ to follow. Some take longer to learn this and others are just not met to know the same things. We can only take it one step at a time and ask our teacher to guide us through these troubling times. Cool and popular people are getting their worldly rewards, God rewards his own people differently. SO let them have their fun while they can. you can only do your best and pray for them that they start down the right path soon because God is coming and we dont have alot of time :)

[collegegirl]

It's true. I have know many, even pastor's children, that have gone astray. Bro. Branham said that God only has children, no grandchildren. It is a shame that even so-called "message" youth try to pull you or anyone else into what they are doing. Stay strong sister. Grab a prayer partner. Keep in touch. We have no message youth in our city, besides eachother. The only other youth that would be even close would be the United Petacostals, but even then, they are so different. We love you, and will be praying for you.

[All4Jesus]

Thank you for those incouraging words. I feel much better now. :thumbup:
Love your sister.

[collegegirl]

Love you too. I am so glad you have decided to join. We needed more sane peopl on here. LOL :harhar1:

[Christian-Samurai]

And by that she doesnt include herself :D

[collegegirl]

Your just jealous cause I am and you ain't. :bigsmile: :yay: (one on the samurai)

[Christian-Samurai]

riiight all those who think she can be included witht he sane people raise your hand lol

[collegegirl]

:greetings :buhbye: :congrats: :champion:

[collegegirl]

:happydogg :bearsmily :banana: :thumbup:

[collegegirl]

:yay: :lol: :welcome:

[collegegirl]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, loyal supporters. :D

[Christian-Samurai]

Hmmm sad when you have to get the virtual ppl of electron land to help you out *shakes head*

[collegegirl]

Well they seem to like me. :thumbup: See? lol

[Christian-Samurai]

yea imagine that heh

[collegegirl]

Well atleast I am not some big plaid with plaid trim dino stomping around eating everyone up. LOL :D

[Christian-Samurai]

Hey now you asked for it, you said stomp around and eat people please, I know I heard you :D

[collegegirl]

There you go AGAIN. I never said that!!! :ranting:

[Christian-Samurai]

No i am pretty sure you did, hmm yep pretty sure

[FreeAtLast]

Isn't it amazing how some people can have godly parents and know all about the true word but still manage to go behind every1(even at church:the house of God) and do some amazing naughty stuff. I used to think every single person who attended church was a true believer. How wrong i was! Every young person at my church messes with the word of God. No one knows any message websites. Girl/boy relationships are a big prob at my church. I know that they probably think i'm so crazy not getting involved but I love God too much to mess about at all. How can a person do that to God?

At this time i'm reading the spoken word influence and it's helping me to overcome the probs i have when i'm around the youth. They try to turn me to what they are but i can never leave God. I know they are 'church' people but they are wrong so lately i'm not talking to them. I have tried to tell some older people about the mess but nobody believes me: they are very popular by the way that nobody notices or cares.

I feel pretty down. It's so unfair they get away with sin like that right in front of every1 but nothing is done because they are popular. I feel alone.
:drool: :drool: :drool:

All4Jesus, are they really ALL dead wrong until you cant even talk to them anymore?

Well, I must admit, I have seen quite a lot of worldiness going on in our days too. Very sad but true.
But I believe that the key is the Holy Ghost. People need to receive the Holy Ghost and their lives will be totally changed.

All you can do is pray for them and let God take care of the rest.

[All4Jesus]

I know i'm probably being rude not talking to them but I am triying my best to keep a godly spirit. I pray for them every single day and when I see them as individuals they seem themselves but as soon as there is a big crowd-every1 changes to this worldly person. I try to stick around and be nice but i only feel guilty because some of the topics being told are very worldly-i don't think i would like God to look down and see me amoung the crowd enjoying the company-so I silently walk away and pray about it. :) I'm sure as individuals they all love God but they feel they have to act like they don't care about God in order to be excepted as cool or popular. I's all to do with influence as well i think.. :)

[All4Jesus]

I don't know but everytime i decide i must talk to these people and maybe i can actually help them something in my heart just tells me be careful. :)

[FreeAtLast]

I don't know but everytime i decide i must talk to these people and maybe i can actually help them something in my heart just tells me be careful. :)

well, I am very glad that you are actually praying for them. Thats the best thing you can do!

[Christian-Samurai]

There is nothing wrong with being careful but that doesnt mean you cant try. And I am not saying you have to do it, but I am saying dont force yourself away because of fear. God is watching over his people, Trust in him to help you make the right choices, dont Satan frighten you away with a few bad apples. Some fo the those are just maybe following the "cool" crowed because they dont know there is any other way or dont understand they are not in the right place and it can take someone who is trying to do it right point them back in the right direction. Do becareful but run away from those truely in need even if there is that bad influence there. :) Prayer is aways good and so is being a shining light in the darkness. :)

[blessed]

One lesson i learned is that we must never have a selfrighteous spirit i did not totally understand it until one day i was carrying on and on about some young ppl who grew up in the message and are living a wordly life in church and i was so upset about it and this older sister told me dear u must not have a self righteous spirit its only by Gods grace that u are not in the same condtion.

I felt so terrible and i went b4 God about it now i talk to all of them and there is such a great compassion in my heart for them i pray that the Lord deliver them and by me talking to them it is making a difference in their lives. All4Jesus talk to them and BTW your stand for the Lord will convict them even make them miserable u just go on and on about what the Lord has done for u and u will see they will want what u have too. But u have to let them know, u be the influence that will draw them to GOd but this can only be done by befriending them

Lord Blessu

[All4Jesus]

You are all right. I shall keep praying for them. I will try to be the right influence to them. I shall try to talk to them but of course i will watch my spirit. I don't want anyone thinking i'm their enemy and i'm not-i love them all-that's why i care. I'll pray about it. Thank you all and God bless. :thumbup:

[collegegirl]

Thank you for having this discussion. As this is where we are honest and open, I have had a very self-righteous spirit to quite a few people I know. I have known it, but I didn't realize that it was self-righteousness. I pray that the Lord will take that spirit from me, and give me one of love and compassion for them.

[blessed]

He will help u i had it real bad and he delivered me from it, im sure he will do the same for u.

[collegegirl]

Aren't you glad that there is Someone who will take the bad away and give you good in it's place. You can't find that kind of deal just about anywhere.

[blessed]

Yes i am glad and blessed, it makes life worth living

[collegegirl]

Isn't that the truth!

[morning_mist]

it definitely is :thumbup:

[MariaJoy]

ok...sorry to get way, way off subject. But...I'm gonna answer Noah's first question...about feeling left behind.
For me...I dont normally...and here I am with 2 of my younger sisters dating...and Joseph...well...Joseph.
I'm normally ok with it like I said. The only thing that REALLY annoys me is when ppl say..."whats wrong with you....why arent you married?" THAT gets annoying....and believe me it happens...ALOT. And what hurts...is it's my family most of the time. I get "whats wrong with you, you're a beautiful girl...why arent you married..." blah blah blah...first off...I wasnt the one sayin I am beautiful...I'm quoting someone else....and I dont think there is anything wrong with me...that's what bothers me. I'm happy....why cant everyone else be happy for me too?
Mom laughs....b/c when ppl tell me to go here...go there...lookin for a guy...I tell them.."I'm not HUNTING for a guy...I'm not hiding...but I'm not HUNTING"
So Noah...i kinda know how you feel....like there might be something wrong with you....or maybe other ppl think there is...but....*shrug* don't let it get to ya....cuz look at the awesome friends you have! :thumbup:

[blessed]

i get the why are u not married and what's wrong with you lecture all the time i just say whatever

[MariaJoy]

oh...I have mouthy comments...but I always just smile and say "He hasnt met me yet"

[Christian-Samurai]

maybe he has, but you just havent "met" him yet lol , as for the noahl thing I have not had this experince so I will have continue to let others comment on it in that way lol

[MariaJoy]

ah...I put it that way....b/c it lets ppl know I'm not out chasing down Mr. Right. *grin*

[Christian-Samurai]

if hes "mr, right" you wont need to chase him lol

[MariaJoy]

:harhar1: I know....I just hate it when ppl ask whats wrong with ME...hmmm nothing is! *grin*

[marichino_freedom]

i get the opposite...my family always says dont get married, "you have so much potential". they think i'm not going to be able to accomplish anything if i tie the knot....

[NeedGod]

i know how it feels too. but for me it is a different scenario. what happens is that i have never got a real boyfriend or gone for a real date and i am nearly 20. thng is, i am not ugly. its just that i have never had one. and what bothers peole here is that i want to do my phd before i can consider marriage or relationships. that will ut people off they say. man get intimidated by intelligent women they say. well, i guess it happens,it has happened. but that doesnt make me give up my dream. i will get my phd, and if my husband wants me to stay home, i will stay home. that is just the way things are. oh, did i go way off topic. oops, thats me, a wanderer

[collegegirl]

I have kinda gotten laughed at when I have told people that I have never been on a date. They think it is funny because of how different we are, (the person who is talking, and myself), and I think that they think that it is because I am so different that I have never been on a date. Personally, the more that I see out there, especially the youth in the world, the more that I see that I am not ready for marriage, because it is a lifetime commitment, and I am not ready for it. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually, all of the above. I am just not ready for it. But I know that someday I will be. I am just not going to get ready for it too soon.

[collegegirl]

Also, something that I have noticed, is the differences between the [worldly] youth's reaction to not married/engaged/dating and the adults reaction to the same things. The youth are like, poor you, you should go find him, you should be having fun, going to parties, go do this, go do that, you aren't dating, what is wrong with you? and the adults are like, it is a game, don't rush it, I wish that I had waited, I wasn't ready, you are doing the right thing. So it comes down to either listening to the ones with no experience who are experiencing it now, or listening to the ones that have experienced it, and who know what they are talking about. Even though people may be worldly, that doesn't mean that we can't learn anything from them. I just choose to listen to the adults who have had experience and save myself some heartache. Who cares if the youth think I am weird? I just don't want to rush into something that I am not really ready for.

[marichino_freedom]

even though i wasnt brought up message, something (or shall i say SOMEONE) held me back from going to parties and stuff. i went on "dates" but i just never had an intrest in the "normal" stuff....good thing i guess

[MariaJoy]

hmmm...I've "dated" and I've had bf's...but I'm also 24 y/o. I cant say I regret dating these guys....it's made me more cautious and more prayed up. The guys I dated....are now all married! LoL! I know they werent the one for me....and I'm still friends with them.

[marichino_freedom]

yeah, a few of the guys i dated are either engaged or married..funny how that all works out!

[NeedGod]

yeah well, i always ever met the wrong guys who wanted the wrong things. guess the Lord is keeping me for a nicer person somewhere.

[marichino_freedom]

keep praying about it

[marichino_freedom]

nothing fails with prayer :elephant:

[MariaJoy]

*gah* I love the dancing elephant!!

[NeedGod]

me too. give here

[morning_mist]

oh, i did not know that there is a dancing elephant besides the dancing banana...cool :D!

[marichino_freedom]

AND HE'S PINK!!! (i love pink)

so cute, so cute

[MariaJoy]

I want a dancing FROG!!

[NoahL]

If we're talking wants... I want a dancing roll of carpet! :thumbup:

[MariaJoy]

I want....I want...that kind of blessing...that saves and keeps and satifies the soul...*hums*

[NeedGod]

lol, i gues we are wanting too many things huh? oh well, i still want the pink elephant

[Angelo]

perfect love really is a thing to cherish...

[NeedGod]

yeah, i am wanting perfect love too. that should be all i need too.

[chloe]

:banana: love this banana

To the point. I know what it feels like to be left behind. You're at a party and your best friend is bonding with her boyfriend and you're like."I want to talk to you"

My friends told me I used to be like that when I was going out with my ex. I sort of lost track along the way of the people who have stood by me through thick and thin. And when I got my heart broken they were there to pick me up and dust off the pain. And I promised myself that I would never leave my friends out even when you're in love.

So the point is there times you feel left out but whose going to be there when this person needs a shoulder to cry on. YOU! :thumbup:


Shy :peep:

[Jeni]

hum. i came here after reading the top topic on it...and was confronted with a dancing frog...

i'm so confused.

[NoahL]

Our threads never (well, rarely anyways) stay on topic. If you want to make an attempt to bring the thread back to the origional topic it's up to you...

[Mick_Mack89]

Ahh, she's young and innocent, not many of those people 'round these parts.

[HotShot53]

If a thread stays on topic longer than 2-3 pages it's doing pretty good.... it's an extreemly rare thread that can stay on topic for 10 pages ;)

[NeedGod]

there is a thread which stayed on topic for 10 pages? was there ever?i want to see that one. i do too. :aaaah:

[HotShot53]

the old sayings thread is up to 11 pages, and still on topic... and the word associations thread is up to like 26 pages now...

[NeedGod]

wow, thats a first i have heard. :worthy: dont let mick mack into those threads, he will get them out of topic in no time. :rofl:

[JoeC]

Those don't really count. ;) You know, because they aren't really conversations... it's easy for them to stay on topic.

[NeedGod]

yeah, you have a point there. ha, but i would be appaled if we stayed on topic. i think i would be afraid of a thread like that. :jawdrop:

[blessed]

i wonder if that will ever happen

[Mick_Mack89]

wow, thats a first i have heard. :worthy: dont let mick mack into those threads, he will get them out of topic in no time. :rofl:

oooh girl, you play with fire alot don't you. :cool:

[HotShot53]

Mick Mack has been in those threads already... and no, I don't think it will ever happen for more than 3-4 pages, unless the thread is on a really good topic...

[NeedGod]

oh mick mack, i like fire, i am a vessel of gold, and to refine gold, you have to subject it to heat. then it is purified. :harhar1:

[Jeni]

snap crackle pop!

ur down mack.

[Mick_Mack89]

oh mick mack, i like fire, i am a vessel of gold, and to refine gold, you have to subject it to heat. then it is purified. :harhar1:
yeah well I'm very unrefined, and still keeping up with you. :harhar1:
What's that say about your refinement?

[NeedGod]

yousee, i told you once before, i learnt the art of patience. now i just bear with people of all sorts, both refined and unrefined. :thumbup:

[blessed]

ok now its offical im left behind...the last girl around my age in church has got a b/f so im all alone now:sad: and left behind

[HotShot53]

well, you are at the right place then, blessed :) seems like everyone here (other than Bro. Trevor and samurai) are still pretty single...

[NeedGod]

yeah blessed. but God has a plan for all of us. and as much as i hope i will get someone, i am still waiting on the Lord. oh, and since i am getting my degree, it will be pretty tough to get someone due to ego issues. oh well!

[Lily_Grace]

reading all of your comments made me realise that you all feel the same things i feel. As you all know times are changing and teenagers these days don't see anything wrong with having a bf or gf. And thats where i get killed sometimes. It's not that i want one, it's just the feeling you get because your different and that you aren't really meant to have one at this age. And even though you know what your doing is right, you still have that...kinda...feeling. im not sure if this is just something im feeling because im a teenager but it is quite a hard time for me, and most of the time i try to shake it off.
i thought i would just share that with you because there aren't many people i would normally open up with. it is just nice to see we are all human and we feel similar things.

[desertroses]

yeah blessed. but God has a plan for all of us. and as much as i hope i will get someone, i am still waiting on the Lord. oh, and since i am getting my degree, it will be pretty tough to get someone due to ego issues. oh well!

I agree with you here namwacha!!! I am definitely left behind! My best friend in church has recently gotten married and now, although we are still close, it's just not the same. In our group it is really hard to meet anyone because...well, there's no one to meet! The young ppl. in our church now consists of teenagers. I feel as though when a guy in the Message finds out that I'm getting my degree, he tends to be less interested. What is really frustrating is that I get more attention from guys at school. So, I just keep praying that the Lord will send me a real believer in this Message.

[NeedGod]

i know i know. brothers tend to think that girls with degrees wont be as submisive wives as those without. i got news for them, when someone is fully in the Word, they are everything God wants themm to be, whether they are with or without a degree. what people should look at is not how learned girls are but how much we are willing to serve God. a girl who is willing to serve the Lord, it doesnt matter whether she has a doctrate or not, she will do her wifely duties(yes, even if it means staying home) without complain. a sister recently got married to a brother without a degree in church and she has one. and that didnt stop their love. and our neighbours are a sister who got a doctrate and her husband doesnt. but that doesnt stop her from rushing home and doing her duty as a wifef. and he loves her immensely. my mum even gives us an example of her when she wants to tell us how a good wife should be.

[desertroses]

Wow, that's really great to hear! I think that guys should be less intimidated when it comes to girls with education. That's not ALL a girl looks at :) And yes, I agree if a girl has higher education than the guy, that doesn't mean she'll be less of a wife/mother...if she is a real Believer in this Message, and the couple really loves eachother, then she will take gratefully what God has handed to her.

[BroTrevor]

I'm not sure it's the degree that keeps the guys away. It's a matter of independence.

While I agree that yes, a solid Christian lady would be very submissive irrespective of a degree, if she acts very independent it could be a warning sign to a guy. A degree just allows you to be able to be more independent...I don't think it necessarily shows you are independent.

[desertroses]

Thanks for that Bro.Trevor, perhaps you can 'educate' the guys on this one :)

[blessed]

I'm not sure it's the degree that keeps the guys away. It's a matter of independence.

I need some further clarification on this one. I am 25 yrs old and single, i have to be independent!!!!!

[HotShot53]

I feel as though when a guy in the Message finds out that I'm getting my degree, he tends to be less interested.

Lol, I'm probably the opposite... a girl having a degree shows that she's at least somewhat smart and not lazy... (not saying that if you don't you are the opposite... it's just one indicator)

[BroTrevor]

I need some further clarification on this one. I am 25 yrs old and single, i have to be independent!!!!!

How about independent AND headstrong?

I've just seen some girls who have been out on their own so long, paying their own bills, in a nice career, that they're attitude toward things is "Don't even think you're gonna propose to me and I accept and I assume the whole 'doormat' thing. I'm gonna work, and pay bills and be co-equal here."

And that's all good...but...it's just a matter of attitude I guess.

I'm not saying I think the girl should be a doormat, or not work. Just that if they get to the place where they are self-sufficent and LIKE it and it becomes a matter of pride to them, and then a guy "threatens" that.

Well, you can see how a guy would be intimidated about that.

All I'm saying is that if you think about it, it is more likely that a college educated girl will have that type of attitude than one that has not gone to college. It is a drawback of going to college I spose. I'm sure there are plenty of benefits too.

I personally am not intimidated by a smart, educated girl. It all depends on their attitude towards male leadership tho.

This conversation could have been a dangerous one to get into maybe...

[desertroses]

This conversation could have been a dangerous one to get into maybe...

Lol, I agree....better tread carefully guys.... (just kidding!). On a serious note, I totally understand your points Trevor, and I agree. It's all about attitude. I have seen many girls get their education and well, their pride gets the better of them and then they look down on guys that are less educated. Personally, I think that's wrong...but that's just my opinion. I thank God for giving me the opprotunity of continuing my education. I am grateful for it, because it enables me to have a better grasp at global issues and opens my eyes to the things around me, whereas previously I was not recognizing. However, it is not my life. We are only here for a short time, so whatever God gives me, I am thankful.

Here's a question for anyone to answer: Do you think that living away from home while at university has a great impact upon one's spiritual walk?

[NeedGod]

it can have a negative or positive impact, depending on what you take in. being alone, you may find that you have more private time to spend with God in that you have the time to read your bible and pray and seek God totally away from the distraction of the family, especially if you get your own room.

on the other hand, you might get easily influenced as you are away from brethren and family who lead you closer to God. and also, you are more susceptible to outside influences coz the devil will see it as a chance to tempt you left and right as you are not under the shield of family and friends who are all praying and talking about the Word all the time. (that why you need this website :yay: )

bro trevor, you are absolutely right. i know men like to feel like heroes, which is a good thing. i wouldnt like a man who wouldnt want to feel like a hero to me. that would mean he wouldnt work hard enough for me. what can we do sisters, let us just pray and be as given to the Word as possible. God will work it out somehow:)

[desertroses]

Lol, I'm probably the opposite... a girl having a degree shows that she's at least somewhat smart and not lazy... (not saying that if you don't you are the opposite... it's just one indicator)

That's refreshing to hear :)....thanks for the "not lazy" part :0.....I guess :)

[HotShot53]

That's refreshing to hear :)....thanks for the "not lazy" part :0.....I guess :)

Lol, now as I re-read what I said, college isn't the greatest indicator of not being lazy... I'm as lazy as you can get, and I'm going for my MBA cause it's easier to do that than to just work ;)

[desertroses]

Lol, now as I re-read what I said, college isn't the greatest indicator of not being lazy... I'm as lazy as you can get, and I'm going for my MBA cause it's easier to do that than to just work ;)

Ha, ha, that's pretty funny! ..and I know a lot of people that take on an extra year of school, just so they don't have to get out into the 'real word', lol. By the way, good luck with your MBA :)

[NeedGod]

mba in what hotshot? i may be getting my mba too if i get honours(which, God willing, is very likely). and i must admit i am scared of going into the real world to get a job too. not because i am lazy(ahem!!!) but because the arguements and researches in school are so refreshing, i may not get that out there. out there its not like an exam where you can fail you got to do it right. whew! thats scary.:(

[desertroses]

I know, it is pretty scary. I'm going for my honors, we'll see what happens...one day at a time :)

[HotShot53]

I'm doing a dual concentration, in accounting and finance. I'm currently working in accounting, but I like finance.

[BroTrevor]

I'm doing a dual concentration, in accounting and finance. I'm currently working in accounting, but I like finance.

You mean, there's a difference?

[HotShot53]

Lol, yeah, there's a difference. Accounting is where you take what's happened, and put them into the books and tax returns and reports. Finance is where you plan what you are going to do, like borrow money or raise equity, etc. Or the type of finance I like is investing, like stocks, bonds, futures, options, foreign currency, etc.

[BroTrevor]

Lol, yeah, there's a difference. Accounting is where you take what's happened, and put them into the books and tax returns and reports. Finance is where you plan what you are going to do, like borrow money or raise equity, etc. Or the type of finance I like is investing, like stocks, bonds, futures, options, foreign currency, etc.

AH....

I get it now...

[azurity]

Ok, I just read this whole thread, and there has been a couple of interesting topics in here! I wish I'd gotten on earlier.

The one of College is an interesting one. Not the College part so much itself, but what was said about a girls attitude, and Independence.

When I was younger, I thought there was no greater joy than to be married, and being a mum. As I have gotten older, and yes, more independent, I've started to think that there is more to life than that. I love my semi-Independence (I still live at home, need my family, and need my friends.) and love traveling, and experiencing life. There are things that I have been able to do that I wouldn't if I was married. Going to America in June is one.

It's not that I wouldn't want to be married. It isn't even by choice that I'm not. I've never had a boy friend, never been out with a guy. And I'm 22 now. But there just aren't any guys around. In all of Australia, there are no straight-walking Message guys of a suitable age, nationality, height, income... Ok, so not all that is important. I don't know of any guys in Australia that believe what I do. That's what matters. I get people ask me all the time when I am getting married, when am I going to find a boy friend... my next door neighbor tells me that I need to "get out more" go clubbing, find a nice guy. That isn't where I'm going to find a Holy Ghost filled believer. And, I don't want a long distance relationship, where I fall in love with an MSN conversation. It's just not me. I want a real person, and until one comes along, I'm going to keep doing my own thing. I aren't hunting.

So, I choose to be happy single. I'm making the most of it. In Gods time, it will happen. If that isn't before the rapture comes, then praise God, I've kept myself pure. I don't want to be one of those people that is depressed because they aren't in a relationship. Happiness doesn't come after marriage. From my experiences, that is when the trials begin. (But if you are with the right one, then it is better to go through trials with someone, then alone).

What bugs me tho (and here comes that independent streak again) is when guys talk about finding a girl as if they just want some princess that will stay at home and do their washing, cooking, ironing, cleaning, and obey his every command. The doormat syndrome works both ways. I don't want a guy that is desperate to lock a jewel up in his castle. I guess being in love would change that perspective. If I loved him, I would want to do all I could for him. But it does sound less interesting than doing my own thing, going where I want to go. Forgive me if my Independence insults anyone.

Yes, at times, I do feel left behind. Last April, I went to New Zealand to visit a close friend of mine. She told me then that she was courting a young man from the church. He was a really nice guy, but I didn't get to see much of my friend... she was too absorbed in him. When I got back to Australia, my best friend picked me up. She told me about a guy she'd met that she thought was going to ask her out. He did, and they've been going out for almost a year now. She was a believer. He's not. It is influencing her in the way she dresses, acts and thinks. It hurts. My other closest friend was asked to leave home a short time later, because her parents did not approve of the man she was dating, and she wouldn't stop. I lost my 2 closest friends to unbelievers in a matter of weeks. It totally changes the friendships.

In the same year, I was invited to 3 weddings. All the brides were younger than me. I hadn't been invited to a wedding for 7 years. All these girls were personal friends of mine. Another girl who is only 6 months older than me gave birth to her second baby. When I talk to her, she just wants to talk about baby teeth and feeds and sleeps and nappies. I'm sure it's exciting for her, but there is only so much that I can contribute to a conversation like that.

Now, it feels like there is no young people left around. There are a few, but they're either not walking the way they should be, or they are just difficult to spend time with (either because of distance, or they go to different churches). I think that is why I like to travel so much. When I was in New Zealand last, I didn't want to leave. There was this tight group of girls all about my age, and we could do anything together. To me, that is just precious. Like minds, like faith. Spending time with friends is beautiful when it's like that.

Sorry, long post, but at least I brought it back on topic. :D

[desertroses]

Lol, Lol, and lol again. That was a really good post! The relationships that are in my family and that I have grown up with always led to my questioning if I want marriage or not. My friends (in the Message) are basically all married now. There isn't anyone in our church around my age either. So the trouble is, it's only worldly guys that want to date me, want my phone number etc... and that's not my thing at all. Independence is fun, the travelling, doing what you want, but I do wonder what it would be like meeting a person that truely loves the Lord. So I leave it up to Him...

[azurity]

That is alot of laughing happening there, Desert Rose!

Why is it that people always laugh at me when I'm trying to be serious. I don't know. But thanks anyway!

I know exactly what you mean. I've seen some marriages where I can't help but think "that poor girl. She almost seems depressed, engulfed in the never ending mundane things of life. It must be so boring." And the husband just expects that she does nothing else, and then the arguments start. There's got to be more to it than that.

I'm not suggesting that girls shouldn't want to stay home and take care of a husband and a family. I'm saying, if it isn't done right, it becomes a chore, a battle, and there is no joy in it at all.

Desert Rose, I'm in the same boat. Totally. The only single guys in my church are 50+ and divorced, or under 12. I am the only young person. My brothers don't even go to church, most of the time. Everyone else is married, with children. But then, take that a step further. There are a few young people in the other church, but I don't get to see them much. There is mostly younger girls. The guys I either don't know too well, or they're foreign nationalities. Ok, even those that I do now aren't exactly Australian. There is one guy, but he isn't a Message believer. He just goes there because he doesn't like the standards in the Pentecostal churches around here.

On the national scene, it isn't much better. Australia is a nation much divided by church differences. I don't know of any guys that could be considered eligible. But I don't mind. There is so much more to life than man hunting.

I don't think it's right to asume that everyone is destined to be married. Paul said in the Bible that he believed that it was better for everyone to be as himself, and not married. So many people think that everyone has to be married, and there is something wrong with you if you aren't. I just don't believe that marriage should be our ultimate goal in life. Knowing the Lord should be, and keeping in the centre of His perfect will. Until God sends that special someone across my path that I know I can't live without, I am going to believe that it is Gods will for me to be single.

Desert Rose, you've got one up on me, tho I don't know if it's a good one or not! Worldly guys are never interested in me. I never get so much as one look at me. Maybe I'm just too backward. My best friend, tho, (the one I mentioned in my last post, that picked me up from the airport) used to get asked out all the time. She only would have to go out for coffee for a friend, and she'd get asked for her phone number. Once on a train on the way to uni, a guy asked her out, and when she said no, he tried to kiss her. Urgh. Glad it's not me!

I was hoping this post would be a short one. Sorry people. I just have too much to say!

[JoeC]

...The guys I either don't know too well, or they're foreign nationalities. Ok, even those that I do now aren't exactly Australian...

I'm guessing that you're using the principle "Let the brown race marry the brown race, the white race marry the white race, the dark race, the yellow race..." as per Brother Branham?

I've been wondering... how does one determine where the racial lines are? Aren't they rather blurred?

[azurity]

Or, as my friend Ian would say "Don't you know that a white man should marry a white man (I think he means girl, really) a yellow a yellow, and green green?"

He cracks me up.

The actual quote is (well, one of them. There are a few.)

LIFE_ SALEM.OR THURSDAY_ 62-0719B
E-13 I'm a southerner. The big boss up here says (this nation) what they say is all right. I think in the segregation condition of the south, some of them said to me one time, said, "Brother Branham, being a southerner, what do you think about segregation?"
I said, "It's not for me to say. The boss, government, said, 'Let it be what it is, permit them to marry, and so forth.'" I said, "That's--that's up to them. As an American, I abide by the laws." To me, you ought to leave it the way God had it. He made white men, black men, brown men. He's a God of variety. Let them stay the way God made them. That's what I think. If I was a black man, I'd--I'd want--I'd want to stay in my class of people. If I was a Chinese, yellow, I'd want to stay that way. Being that I'm Anglo-Saxon, white, let me marry amongst the white, teach my children the same, and just stay the kind of a flower and the color that God made us at the beginning. After all, He's the One that made it.

It is a personal matter, and I don't want to start a debate here. Personally, I would rather marry a white man. For one, I don't like Asian food, so the thought of having to cook that for my husband puts me off that idea. And I'm as white as they come, so I think it would look pretty strange seeing me next to a dark man.

Some of my best friends are 'mixed-married." And they have beautiful kids. I don't have anything against them. But for me personally, I would rather stick with my Anglo-Saxon/European heritage.

[desertroses]

Azurity, I was not trying to be mean or anything up there by laughing a lot. It was just so funny, because you were so honest. I could relate to your friend, about what happened to her... I'm not sure if I want to get into that :0...

As for the racial lines, yeah that can be pretty tricky. My brother looked it up and found where Bro. Branham addressed it. I will have to ask him which sermon that was in. I remember Bro. Branham saying that there are only 4 races: white, black, yellow and red. Where does the brown man fit in? The brown man/woman is actually apart of the white race, it's just that their geographical location (being closer to the equator) over generations and generations darkened their skin. I'll have to try and find where Bro. Branham said that, but I know he does talk about it. It's for that reason only (that he said the brown man is apart of the caucasion race) that my brother married his wife, she's German, and of course we have roots from India, Seria and Spain... so you know. They do have beautiful kids though...

[azurity]

What nationality are you, Desert Roses?

Also, what part of Canada are you in? I know it says Ontario... is that in the east? Who's church do you go to?

[desertroses]

Well Azurity, my nationality is West Indian. My parents are from Trinidad and Tobago. Ever heard of it? It's in the Caribbean.

Ontario is a province in central Canada. Nope, we're not out east, that would be the Atlantic provinces, such as Prince Edwards Island etc. We are apart of Bro. Geoff Hall's congregation in Milton, Ontario. Although, I think there is a Message church out east, and also one out west (Bro. Roger Smith's church).

I'd be happy to answer anymore questions you may have :)

[BroTrevor]

As for the racial lines, yeah that can be pretty tricky. My brother looked it up and found where Bro. Branham addressed it. I will have to ask him which sermon that was in. I remember Bro. Branham saying that there are only 4 races: white, black, yellow and red. Where does the brown man fit in? The brown man/woman is actually apart of the white race, it's just that their geographical location (being closer to the equator) over generations and generations darkened their skin. I'll have to try and find where Bro. Branham said that, but I know he does talk about it.

Hrmm.... I would very much like to see this quote. I haven't heard this before...

[BroTrevor]

And, I don't want a long distance relationship, where I fall in love with an MSN conversation. It's just not me.

Now that is one of the funniest things I've heard in awhile...

No offense to those in LD relationships over MSN.

[azurity]

Oh yeah, no offence, if there was any!

I just meant that it isn't me. It works for some. But I don't know about me. (and it's all about me, right?)

[BroTrevor]

(and it's all about me, right?)

absolutely... who else could it be about??

[azurity]

absolutely... who else could it be about??

You mean that there might just possibly be a someone else out there?

And, I want to see that quote, too!

[JoeC]

As for the racial lines, yeah that can be pretty tricky. My brother looked it up and found where Bro. Branham addressed it. I will have to ask him which sermon that was in. I remember Bro. Branham saying that there are only 4 races: white, black, yellow and red.

I really don't see how this could be biblical. From the Bible, we know that all children of God are ONE race - that of the race of Adam.

[JMG]

Questions I am interested in, not for the sake of argument but for the sake knowing why, are why is it be wrong to marry into another race; does something "funny" occur in the gene pool if a human of european heritage marries and has children by another human of african heritage? Becasue though there are "races" we are all one species... We are all "Homo saepians." Homo saepians means "Man the knower."
If you take race to mean being of another color, and that it is wrong to marry across the racial line, where does that put people who share similar genetics but are of a different color?

[JoeC]

Questions I am interested in, not for the sake of argument but for the sake knowing...

I agree. I don't want anyone thinking we bring up these controversial topics because we like to argue... it's for the sake of understanding that we bring these issues to the table.

[azurity]

I hope you all like quotes... because I come packed with an arm full of them.

Am actually at work, so have only got the online Message search. I find it harder to use than the Table, but I have just read 147 hits on the word "races." Which covers everything from horse races, races on top of the walls of Jericho, and, the races we're talking about here.

But I've learnt heaps. I also found the one that where we live changes our skin colour, too!!

:yay:

Joe, you are right to say we are all from Adam. We're all the same "species." We're all human beings. But to say it's unbiblical to have more than one race... Brother Branham said many, many times that there are three races of people. But in the sight of God, we are all the same. He doesn't repect the colour of our skin, our race, or our nationality.

THE.SEED.OF.DISCREPANCY_ PHOENIX.AZ V-12 N-5 MONDAY_ 65-0118
114 How many races of people are there in the world? Three. Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people. We all come from Noah. And the rest of the world was destroyed at that time. Only three races of people, that Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan (which was half Jew and Gentile). And that's all the races that's in the world, see, just three.

DOES.GOD.CHANGE.HIS.MIND_ LA.CA V-18 N-4 TUESDAY_ 65-0427
199 Now, there was three races of people on earth. We might be black, brown, yellow, whatever we are, but we come from one blood. And there is three races , which come from Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people; and that's Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan, half Jew and Gentile.
200 Now, we Gentiles, Anglo-Saxon, we were heathen, worshiping idols. We wasn't looking for no Messiah.


And there's more. Many, many more.

CAN.WE.SEE.JESUS_ GREENVILLE.SC THURSDAY_ 58-0619E
E-20 Now, there's only three races of people; we all know that. That's Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan. And a Samaritan is half Jew and Gentile. That's Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people, the three sons of Noah, where the human race started from after the antediluvian destruction.
Now, notice, both Jew and Samaritan, which was half Jew and Gentile, looked for the coming of the Messiah, but not the Gentiles; they were Roman heathens, and so forth.

BALM.IN.GILEAD_ CHICAGO.IL SUNDAY_ 59-0614
E-56 Now, here is a woman. Say, by--let this first one here, it gives a beautiful picture of what I've spoke of, the Saint John, of the 4th chapter: A Man, Jesus, a Jew; a woman, Samaritan of Samaria. They met for their first time. Now, this is a perfect picture again: a white man, a colored woman meeting together, same thing, two races of people. But Jesus let her know that God was God over all races . Our colors, where we was raised at, and way we're turned, that has nothing to do with it at all. God made of one blood, all men: Yellow, brown, black, white, whatever it may be, we are one blood from Adam. And our racial affairs has nothing to do with God. He's a God of all creation.

IT.IS.I.BE.NOT.AFRAID_ LONG.BEACH.CA MONDAY_ 61-0213
God's God of all races . He's like a flower bed. He has white flowers, and red flowers, and blue flowers. And that's His bouquet. See? He--He makes us this way. But our hearts... We all come from one person, Adam and Eve. That's right. The country we lived in, it changed our colors. It has nothing to do with our spirits and hearts. That's true. God's just as real to you as He is to anybody else. You believe that? And you believe me to be His servant? You believe the things that I've said? I know you do.

WE.WOULD.SEE.JESUS_ SANTA.MARIA.CA WEDNESDAY_ 62-0627
E-55 Now, let's notice Him. Now, remember, there's three races of people. That was Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people. It changed our colors by the--the countries that we lived in, and--and so forth. And that don't have anything to do... God made of one blood all nations. Whether they're Chinese, Japanese, or African, or Anglo-Saxon, or whatever he was, they're all one blood. All come from Adam (See?), and they're raised in different parts of the country and tropics.
E-56 Now, you just take anything, it'll do the same thing. You can take a coyote down there in Mexico, and let him live on that red sand ground, he's reddish color; bring him up here on the white sands, he's white colored, kind of a brownish. Take him up yonder, way up in the north country, way up in British Columbia, he's snow white, the same coyote, exactly.
Same deer will change color from red, brown, and black. Yes, sir. Depends on the country he's living in, the food he's feeding on, and so forth like that. Now, that's how our colors and things got changed, but we all come from one race. That's the human race (That's right.), all off of that one tree.

A.SUPER.SIGN_ GRASS.VALLEY.CA JJ 141 SUNDAY_ 62-0708
We're just human beings. And they want a super race. Hitler said that Germany was the super race. Stalin said that--that Russians was a super race. Something wrong somewhere. They're all made off of one tree, so the Bible said, that God, by one man, one blood, made all nations: one man, Adam. From that Adam come all races : black, white, brown, yellow, red. Whatever it is, God brought it from that one blood. Each one of us can give each other a blood transfusion. The country we was raised in and turned our skins different colors, it's still the same man.

JESUS.CHRIST.THE.SAME.YESTERDAY.TODAY.AND.FOREVER_ TUCSON.AZ TUESDAY_ 63-0604
90 I want you to remember one thing. There's only three races of people on the earth. Oh, we have many nationalities, but there's only three, and that's from Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people. That was Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan. We find out, when the Holy Spirit was given, Peter given the keys, he opened It to the--to the Jews at Pentecost, at Jerusalem; to the Samaritans; and also to the Gentiles at the house of Cornelius, Acts 10:49. And from then it's been in the world for all the races . And he had the keys, to open it to these races.

JESUS.CHRIST.THE.SAME.YESTERDAY.TODAY.AND.FOREVER_ HOT.SPRINGS.AR V-20 N-9 THURSDAY_ 63-0627
307 How do you do, sir? I'm a stranger to you. We are of two different races , even; like the woman was at the well, but Jesus let her know. God made of one blood all people. The nations and the places we were raised, and changed our colors, has nothing to do with us. We are brothers, creatures, all come from Adam. That's right. But two different races meets here tonight, just like it did then. If Jesus Christ, the Son of God, can reveal to me what you're standing there wanting, do you believe He would give it to you? You know it. Thank you, sir. You know it. All right, then your stomach trouble will leave you, and your diabetes will be gone. Return home.
"If thou canst believe, all things are possible."


So there you have some of them. This doesn't really answer the question about marriage, but just clears up some on the different races.

Any more thoughts on this... or more on what Brother Branham said? And do I have permission to post more quotes next time... or are you all quoted out?

[HotShot53]

How many races of people are there in the world? Three. Ham, Shem, and Japheth's people. We all come from Noah. And the rest of the world was destroyed at that time. Only three races of people, that Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan (which was half Jew and Gentile). And that's all the races that's in the world, see, just three.

Most of your quotes were of him saying something like this... which is obviously contradictory in itself. If he had said Ham, Shem, and Japheth was black, white, and yellow, then it would make sense... but Samaratins were half Jew and half Gentile, and so were obviously not directly from one of the sons, and Jews were decendents of Abraham, as were Ishmalites, which are Gentiles. But both obviously came from the same son of Noah.

There is one quote where he says black people shouldn't marry white, etc... unfortunately I don't have the time to find it now. The way he says it it sounds as if he recomends against it for the kids' sake, cause then they would be mixed race, which back then caused major problems (I've heard Bro. Branham himself had problems cause his grandmother was American Indian). Personally, I believe that it doesn't cause as many problems now, so I'm not against it, although it should be considered along with everything else before getting married.

[azurity]

Please don't call them my quotes... they aren't mine!

Here's those quotes you refered to (sorry, couldn't help it)

CONDEMNATION.BY.REPRESENTATION_ JEFF.IN V-2 N-13 SUNDAY_ 60-1113
The people would be better off if you'd just let them the way they are, the way God made them. Let the brown race marry the brown race, the white race marry the white race, the dark race, the yellow race and whatevermore, stay the way God made them. If a violet... God made it and it was white, let it remain white. If it's blue, black, brown, whatever the flower is, let it alone. If corn was raised a certain way, yellow corn, don't mix with white corn. If you do, you mix it up, then it can't breed itself back again.

LIFE_ SALEM.OR THURSDAY_ 62-0719B
E-13 I'm a southerner. The big boss up here says (this nation) what they say is all right. I think in the segregation condition of the south, some of them said to me one time, said, "Brother Branham, being a southerner, what do you think about segregation?"
I said, "It's not for me to say. The boss, government, said, 'Let it be what it is, permit them to marry, and so forth.'" I said, "That's--that's up to them. As an American, I abide by the laws." To me, you ought to leave it the way God had it. He made white men, black men, brown men. He's a God of variety. Let them stay the way God made them. That's what I think. If I was a black man, I'd--I'd want--I'd want to stay in my class of people. If I was a Chinese, yellow, I'd want to stay that way. Being that I'm Anglo-Saxon, white, let me marry amongst the white, teach my children the same, and just stay the kind of a flower and the color that God made us at the beginning. After all, He's the One that made it.

A.PARADOX_ TAMPA.FL SATURDAY_ 64-0418B
197 But I don't believe in marrying, intermarrying like that. I don't believe in a white... What--what business would a beautiful, young, intelligent colored girl want to marry a white man for, and have mulatto children? What would a fine, intelligent colored girl want to do a thing like that for? I can't understand it. And what would a white woman want to marry a colored man, with mulatto children? Why don't you stay the way God made you? "Be content with such as you have." See?

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.4_ JEFF.IN COD SUNDAY _ 64-0830E
1179-166 Now, I don't believe in mixing marriages. I believe that a white man should not marry a colored girl, or a colored girl marry a white man, or a yellow marry a colored, or a white, or a... I believe the brown, black, white, and races of people are like a flower garden of God, and I do not believe they should be crossed up. I believe that's the way God made them, and I believe that's the way they should remain.
What... It fools me that I seen some real pretty colored girl, intelligent, nice looking kid, just as pretty as any woman you'd want to see... What does she want to marry a white man and have mulatto children? What would an intelligent colored girl want with such a thing as that? Is because that something... that communist... And how would a--a fine a-a-a colored man want to marry a white woman and have mulatto children?
I don't believe I... I believe you should stay just what we are. We--we're servants of Christ. And God made me... If He made me, my color black, I'd be happy to be a black man for God. If He made me yellow, I'd be a happy yellow man for Christ. If He made me white, I've a--happy white man for Christ. If He made me brown, or red, an Indian, whatever it is, I'd stay my same color. That would be me. I want to be like my Maker made me.


I don't think those quotes were contradictory. There are three races. Hem, Shem & Japeth. Those three races are the Jew, Gentile, and Samaratan. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, the Jews were a group of people, called and set apart from God. Gentiles are those that are non-Jewish. Remember Judaism is also a religion. The Samaratans are those half-way between Jew & Gentile.

SIR.WE.WOULD.SEE.JESUS_ PORT.ALBERNI.BC TUESDAY_ 62-0724
E-66 Now, there were two races of them looking for a Messiah. That was the Jew and the Samaritan. But we Anglo-Saxons, Gentiles, we worshipped idols, club on our back, and we worshipped idols. We wasn't looking for no Messiah. And He never did that before any Messiah--or no, that sign there before any Gentile. Never, it's not written in the Word. But look. That was His sign that proved that He was the Messiah.


The Samaritans were neither Jew nor Gentile. If a Jew was a believer, and a Gentile a non-believer, then a Samaritan was like a make-believer.

JESUS.CHRIST.THE.SAME.YESTERDAY.TODAY.AND.FOREVER_ GRANDE.PRAIRIE.AB TUESDAY_ 61-0516A
Now, keep in mind, there's three classes of people, always, Like Jew, Gentile, and Samaritan; that's believer, make-believer and unbeliever. So we--we find that. And every meeting produces it, every crowd produces it. We just have it.


How all this fits in with the Noah's sons, and the dispersion, and the races of people, the skin colour, and how this affects us today, I don't know. All I know is what Brother Branham said. If there is anyone else out there that could shed more light on it, I'm waiting to hear!

[Ijaachat]

FROM THE MESSAGE THIRST 1965

33 Like Paul said, describes it in Romans 7:21, "When I would do good, then evil is nigh." When you try, did you ever have that in experience, Christians, that when you're trying to do something that's worthwhile, go to make an effort to do something that's good, then you find out that there is the Devil on every hand, just to upset you, everything that you'd... And that's one good thing that I'd like to say this, that the Christians might know that when you're--when you're starting to do something, and there's something always trying to upset you in doing it, do it anyhow. That's the Devil there trying to keep you from doing what's right.

73 Then, we thirst for fellowship. We go, we want fellowship. It's like a young man and a young woman. Now, it's not unnecessary--or not (I mean) unnatural for a young man and a young woman to--to love one another. It is a thirst for love. It's their age, and they--they love one another. And it's not unnatural; that's just a natural thing for them to do that.
Now, we find many things, in the life that we live in the natural body, that we thirst for. It's just something sets in us. We want to do it; we absolutely feel that it's necessary. And it is necessary that we do it.
We find many women in these days thirst for beauty. Now, there isn't a woman... It's a natural thing for a woman to thirst to be pretty. That's--that's her God-given instinct and--and her beauty that God give her for her mate. And now, we find out that women want to be that way. Why is it? It's just because it's something God gave her. And it's not wrong for women to be pretty. They should be.

[desertroses]

Ijaachat, please elaborate as to why you posted this quote...I don't get it.

[JoeC]

There is one quote where he says black people shouldn't marry white, etc... unfortunately I don't have the time to find it now. The way he says it it sounds as if he recomends against it for the kids' sake, cause then they would be mixed race, which back then caused major problems (I've heard Bro. Branham himself had problems cause his grandmother was American Indian). Personally, I believe that it doesn't cause as many problems now, so I'm not against it, although it should be considered along with everything else before getting married.
I really like this thought.

Brother Branham mentioned on several occasions the troubles that his father (Irish) marrying his mother (American Indian) caused for him in his genetically predispositioned temperment.

Based upon this & HotShot's thought, I really think that inter-racial marrige was more of a practical consideration for Brother Branham than a moral consideration. While still an up-to-date opinion because of the genetic considerations (stigmas aside), it's not something that would even begin to compromise someone's standing with God.

Anyhow, that's my take. Now, if you're a boilin'blooded Irishmen and you marry a laid back Mexican and it causes stress in the home, that stress will come before God. But just the fact that you are an inter-racial couple? I don't see anywhere that could be biblically wrong.

[BroTrevor]

genetically predispositioned temperment.


<grin>

You gotta love that phrase.

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As a minister, I've often wondered what I'd do if a couple came to me to ask me to marry them and they were from different races.

I still am not sure what I'd do.

Joe does make an interesting point...but what if there's something the prophet didn't tell us about that we aren't considering.

[azurity]

How do you feel about it personally, BroTrev?

[BroTrevor]

Well, personally I still question it, so I guess I'd leave it alone.

I guess that's the cheap way out tho...It would take much prayer.

I have good friends that are married but not of the same nationality/race. They're great people...

I'm still a little undecided...I wish mixed marriages didn't happen and then we wouldn't have to worry about it.

That's not the reality of life tho...so we're forced to deal with stuff.

I dunno, usually I don't comment much until I understand/feel led on something...and I still don't on this one.

[JoeC]

I don't think I'd be interested in someone of another race, but I can't see condemning somone for doing it. I just wouldn't have grounds for it.

[NeedGod]

the stuation is more tricky here in kenya. we have like so many different tribes here with vastly different cultures. now, in this mordern times, people have intermarried and all. also, in church, there is no way one can say people cant marry from different tribes as very few people would get married that way. still, it perplexes me. is it right. at the moment, i am very interested in someone from a different tribe. we dont know what to do or if its the right kind of attraction so we are not acting on it. we are just praying about it. still, i would like to know.
we are the same race alright, but different tribes. and tribal culture here is like so widely different.

[HotShot53]

What you are dealing with now Namwacha is like Europeans dealt with years ago... my mom was told by one of her aunts that "Polish people shouldn't marry Italians" (even though my mom is only half Polish, and my dad only half Italian...)

It sounds like inter-tribal relations there are about the same as inter-racial relations here... and I have the same opinion as I gave below; if it's not an overwhelming problem, then I wouldn't be against it, but it should be considered along with all the other factors.

[JoeC]

I do want to give a plug for your local ministry here. Youth Quake and it's members are not to replace the advice of your pastor. If this is a matter of concern, you need to speak to him.

[NeedGod]

oh, our pastor talked about this without me even asking. he just came up during a youth meeting after church and talked about it. i was so pleased and amazed. God does answer our queries. He loooovvveees us, God does! :yay: anyhow, the pastor said that in Kenya, tribalism should not be a factor to consider in marriage as believers. tribalism belongs to the world, not in church. He said that as believers, we should be loving each other so much, such petty things shouldnt come between us. he has joined people of different tribes before and next weekend, there is a wedding of people from different tribes. i got my answer!:yay:

[EllyMae]

You know, I came across this thread for the first time earlier today, and what's funny is I can relate to this... My best friend just very recently became involved with a guy, and I've already noticed there to be a gap growing between us, as she spends more time with him, and less time with everyone else... Haha. It's just the beginning stages and here I'm already complaining. :D She's the only one my age (out of my Christian friends) that I hang out with regularly, and the rest of the girls are younger than myself. So, looks like I'll be spending more time with 11-15 year olds until I find someone myself to "run off" with. :D

[leahmb]

Yeah, I had never seen it until today.......I don't have time right now to read through it all, but I am feeling the same as alot of the comments on the first page. Although, I noticed Sara was single then.....a year and a half can change things!!! :D

[EllyMae]

Although, I noticed Sara was single then.....a year and a half can change things!!! :D

Haha, I know! Sara is faaaaar from single now. :)

[leahmb]

Haha, I know! Sara is faaaaar from single now. :)

Yeah, I got to meet her at camp and she slept above me....

[JMG]

Oh yes, Sara has permantely left the domian of singledom... :cowboy:

[Dream Orange]

(Oh SARA!! *roll eyes*..... She a great person.... LOL)

[NeedGod]

I am so totally relating to this thread now. Recently i heard news from home that my friend got married. She is exactly my age. Here in SA girls get married pretty early too. That makes me feel totally old. And everyone else is either in love or in a relationship.
There is so much pressure, but I am refusing to feel the pressure (Although i feel it anyhow). Cause i know i am not exactly in a position to be in a relationship now. There is the search for God, then there is the fact that my emotional state needs some working. I also need to get this whole education thing going.
Oh well, God will work it all out somehow. :)
So NO PRESSURE :smiley_vi

[EllyMae]

You know, I came across this thread for the first time earlier today, and what's funny is I can relate to this... My best friend just very recently became involved with a guy, and I've already noticed there to be a gap growing between us, as she spends more time with him, and less time with everyone else... Haha. It's just the beginning stages and here I'm already complaining. :D She's the only one my age (out of my Christian friends) that I hang out with regularly, and the rest of the girls are younger than myself. So, looks like I'll be spending more time with 11-15 year olds until I find someone myself to "run off" with. :D

HAHA... yupp. Still nothin' has changed.

My friend is actually going to be married in November. :)

[NeedGod]

Uh, so now my sister is also getting married.... Am i feeling left behind...:juggle: Oh yeah, and deserted too. Everyone is getting married, *sigh* Sooon i'll have no friends. I'm happy for them of course, but its pretty lonely now...:smiley_vi

[wwwjer2911]

I don't have any friends getting married... yet. But they're all getting hooked up with somebody. :( I guess I shouldn't complain though because Lord willing It'll happen to me too one of these days. Buuuut for now.....:juggle: :undecided:

[NeedGod]

Lol yeah. Its awful...

[Babyruth]

Uh, so now my sister is also getting married.... Am i feeling left behind...:juggle: Oh yeah, and deserted too. Everyone is getting married, *sigh* Sooon i'll have no friends. I'm happy for them of course, but its pretty lonely now...:smiley_vi
What about me? :confused:

[NeedGod]

Oh sweety, you are there for me of course... * biiiig hug*

[Sara]

Ya'll talking'bout me again??????????????

I'm watching you all.

:chris:

[NoahL]

Are you really watching? Seems like you're never here to watch...:peep:

[EllyMae]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah Sara. :D

Will probably be a month before she reads this. ;)

[HotShot53]

she was only replying to posts that were almost 2 months old ;)

[NeedGod]

lol, poor Sara, so harrased

[EllyMae]

My friend is actually going to be married in November. :)

TWELVE more days...... my my.

[HotShot53]

TWELVE more days...... my my.

Are you talking about Gen?

[EllyMae]

Are you talking about Gen?

Nope.. However, my friend (Savana) is getting married the same day as Gen. :)

I know another person going to a wedding that same day as well. I guess it's a popular day for weddings. Haha

[HotShot53]

Mid november is a good time for a wedding ;)

[leahmb]

Hmmm....DJ, is there something we should know? :D

[HotShot53]

Hmmm....DJ, is there something we should know? :D
Nope, nothing that I know of... if there were, you'd know it ;)

[blessed]

Are u sure?

[leahmb]

Oooo, so maybe this time next year :angel:

[HotShot53]

No comment....

[marichino_freedom]

hahahahahahaha!!! :)

[NeedGod]

Back to the topic at hand...

lately I have been feeling totally left behind... But strangely enough, it has put no pressure on me.
Ok, I would love to fall in love and become as irrational as some two people I will not mention have become (winks pointedly at DJ and MArtha) or make long phone calls with no agenda, lol....
Why, I would love to have someone propose to me in a baloon <Staring rudely at MAry, lol> or maybe take pictures and ask everyone for their opinion when I have in fact already decided, lol
The bliss, I would absolutely love to plan a wedding in elegant intricate ways <wondering where Gen went>
But inspiteof all these, I am more aware recently that I need to find God. The desire to have love is there, no denying the fact, but I feel a more urgent need to find God than anything really. Martha, thanks a bunch for pointing that out to me recently... To be stable in God is what I need, and most people who really know me must be nodding in agreement

[leahmb]

Nice post! All in God's timing...

"Delight thyself also in the LORD: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." Psalm 37:4

[AgapZoe]

Amen Leah,needed to hear that and mmh mmh,I couldn't agree with you more Namwacha! I can echo your words,straight from my heart! Oh how I'd love to Love someone and be loved back...but yea,in His time!!!

[AgapZoe]

Ok yea so lately am going thru a transformation i.e in lines with what seems to be the topic at hand.

Anyways,I have always dreamt to get married at 24...say that's 4 years from now...but who knows God's plan? It could be way earlier than that or way after that! All I care for is may His perfect will be done at His perfect timing for my getting hooked with my eternal mate! Well..."A lady's heart should be so hidden in Christ that a gentleman will have to seek Him frist in order to find her." that gives me enough reason to live for now;getting closer with God and loosing myself in His Love...:)

Hey Angelo? God bless you.

[EllyMae]

My friend is actually going to be married in November. :)

She's married!!!

:012: Errr, I mean... :juggle:

... :D

There's a slide show of the wedding pictures on my xanga if anyone would like to see. www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7 (http://www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7)

[AgapZoe]

Do I feel left behind? -Not anymore. I feel content with what I am now, am happy single and well, somehow, I just have a life to live and manifest Christ! And be happy come what may. I am changing the bearing of my life lately; my principles changing...my goals broadening...my vision being shaped...my destiny becoming clearer. The more these are happening, the more am realising I really need to concentrate all my energies there and well, somehow am not in a rush anymore .... am even beginning to think,, '24 is a bit early for me, I wont have accomplished half of what I'd love to accomplish! So, men are out of the equation for now!'

But you know, God's perfect will is different.

[NeedGod]

I know, sometimes I still go like, eerr, i'm 21 and single and all my friends are getting married. But God gave me a revelation that is better than anything. The revelation of the joy of being single.
1. Time: ask any married woman, between their husband, children etc, they have less time to concentrate on God than they did when they were single. So this is the time for me to get well soaked in The Word before I get more responsibilities and I have more time. So that, when i do have more responsibilities, I will have habits that entail listening to The Word and I will be well filled
2. The right person: I have seen many of my friends get into bad matches because of the trend of people marrying. Because they feel alone and lonely and left behind, they go for anyone who comes their way. But it is better to be single than in a relationship with no love. I know many young people will not agree with me when I say it is better to be alone, especially when everyone has got someone, but it sure is. I have seen married people who suffer and wish they were single.
.................................................. .................................................. ..........
After these realisations, I decided that I will use my time alone to get closer to God and pray. If God brings the right person along, I want to not only be closer to God, I also want to be ready to be a good wife to a good husband. To be a Godly wife to a Godly husband who God will provide. And that can only happen through prayer and seeking God

[AgapZoe]

To be a Godly wife to a Godly husband who God will provide. And that can only happen through prayer and seeking God
Amen, so true!

[zan-zan]

I know many young people will not agree with me when I say it is better to be alone, especially when everyone has got someone, but it sure is. I have seen married people who suffer and wish they were single.

amen! I agree with you sis...i've seen many young people getting married (and worse, living together out of marriage) who suffer {& esp. spiritually,so sad}....
now, i'm 18 and firmly decided to follow God's dealings with me...
i'd rather stay to be single than to suffer for the rest of my life not discerning God's plans for me...:)

[AgapZoe]

now, i'm 18 :)are U still 18? I can see over there on ur name, it says U r 19!!! ;)

[NeedGod]

And that, zan zan, is the best choice any girl can ever make. To jus follow God's dealing. Our pastor preached about that yesterday actually. Rather stay single than marry a snake

[godschild9213]

amen! id rather never get married then get married & be stuck with someone that wasnt a Godly loving husband. great toughtful post sis:thumbup:

[AgapZoe]

Hey there Kimmy, nice signature: Surely God sees the heart and He knows what we need too. You see, if He sees that a husband is what we desire and need to have, He will provide. Actually, our eternal mates are already there, only thing is once we've sought his Kingdom first and his righteousness, a husband/wife is amongst the aditionals that He will add unto us - in addition to the Kingdom that we'd have found in Him already.

[NeedGod]

Lol, sometimes I wish He would provide soonest, hehehehe. Especially when I am looking around and seeing everyone loving loving loving. Lol

[AgapZoe]

yea I know, you aint alone there. lol but still His time's perfect for all of us. we all go like, "whoa, thanks God, twas worth the waiting."

[godschild9213]

Hey there Kimmy, nice signature: Surely God sees the heart and He knows what we need too. You see, if He sees that a husband is what we desire and need to have, He will provide. Actually, our eternal mates are already there, only thing is once we've sought his Kingdom first and his righteousness, a husband/wife is amongst the aditionals that He will add unto us - in addition to the Kingdom that we'd have found in Him already.

amen =] he will provide after we seek Him with all our hearts minds & souls!;-)

[redeemed]

I have to agree with what is being said. We see so many worldy and "Christian" marriages fall apart in our world, and if a lot of them don't fall apart they are still not happy. This epidemic of divorce and remarriage (or simply divorce) is destroying our nation. Look at all of the homes that have been broken, look at the types of kids that many of those homes are raising. You can look at many kids that have been in that situation and you can tell that they have pain/anger. The pain/anger of having one of your parents seemingly "leave" you is one of the hardest things to overcome. Many of the kids from the broken families are too young to recognize the feelings they are going through or they simply just want to ignore them and they "hide them in a box." But there comes a time when they have to sort through them and that is just like going through the divorce all over again.
Wow...that sounds really off topic lol but the point I was making (or rather agreeing with ;) ) is that it is better to be single than to marry the wrong person and end up in a marriage that is full of bitterness/anger or to divorce.
lol, I was taking that from a perspective of the world's divorce rate but I think you all get what I was saying...right? lol

[Shemiah]

Lol, sometimes I wish He would provide soonest, hehehehe. Especially when I am looking around and seeing everyone loving loving loving. Lol
True that, i also wish the same but i believe this is the time. He is providing.:yay: