What is your ABSOLUTE?

[FreeAtLast]

I would like to know what you would call your absolute.
For me it´s the Bible. Some ppl say it´s the spoken Word.

What is your opinion on this?

[BroTrevor]

The Bible and the message!

Since they really don't differ...

I would say BOTH!

[Mick_Mack89]

I guess the Bible and whenever Bro.Branham said "thus sayeth the lord".

[BroTrevor]

So I guess that's the Bible and a fraction of what Bro Branham said.

Let's take the message "Thirst" in 1965.

Hit count on "Thus saith the Lord" = 0

I suppose we should then regard this message with intrepidation? There's 22 messages in 1965 alone where he never said "Thus saith the Lord".

I just don't get it...

[HotShot53]

I would agree with Matt... the "absolute" is the Bible and where Bro. Branham said "thus saith the Lord" The rest of Bro. Branham's sermons are highly regarded and are the next thing to look at... but I wouldn't call them the "absolute"

[JoeC]

Absolute is a pretty strong word.

Get a load of this:

noun, def 2

Absolute Philosophy.

Something regarded as the ultimate basis of all thought and being. Used with the.
Something regarded as independent of and unrelated to anything else.So to say that the Bible is the absolute is to say that it is independent in and of itself and requires no further confirmation. Furthermore, it is the basis upon which we lay all our beliefs and opinions. It is the bedrock of our very understanding of the world and everything is subject to it. Nothing supersedes it. Under no circumstances can it be questioned.

[Babyruth]

The Bible is my absolute. God wrote it, how can it be wrong? Bro. Branham was a prophet sent by God, the same as the other prophets in the Bible. Not every single word that came out of his mouth is of God, as in what God said, because he was human. But, everything he said that checks out with the Bible is the truth. Why do we take every word from the prophets in the Bible as true but not from Bro. Branham? Wasn't he the same?

[AgapZoe]

I would like to know what you would call your absolute.
For me it´s the Bible. Some ppl say it´s the spoken Word.

What is your opinion on this?


THE TRUTH IS MY ABSOLUTE!!!

[blessed]

i am disturbed by what i am reading how can you say that only when Bro Branham said thus sayeth the Lord it is your absolute...that would make the majority of his message/doctrine not your absolute...i think that is sad.

It is my belief that Thus sayeth the Lord ususally goes with a prophecy ( i am looking into that to make sure ) but the Lord can tell the prophet to say lots of things and not say thus sayeth the Lord.

Paul said a lot of things that was his opinion (if we read carefully we will see he said it was his opinion ) yet we take it as our absolute. But the seventh angel that was sent our way we would only take it as our absolute if its thus sayeth the Lord. I know there are cases where he made gramatical errors and stuff like that but...his messages were inspired by the Lord, the Angel of the Lord told him to pick up his pen and write...

[JoeC]

I think that saying only the words spoken by Bro. Branham that were thus sayeth the Lord are absolute in the same way as the Bible is building in a contingency.

For example, what does one do with instances where Brother Branham was clearly wrong (eg 1977)? What about where Brother Branham clearly states "this is my opinion now."? After listening to the message The Absolute, I don't know if one could really say that Brother Branham would want his every word made someone's Absolute.

Keep in mind now, an Absolute is the bedrock of belief. It cannot be questioned. Can we questions the things Brother Branham said? I think it is our responsibility to, otherwise we are following blindly.

Now, where we find what Brother Branham says to dovetail with the Absolute say of the Word, then Brother Branham's statements build upon the bedrock foundation of the Absolute Word and they become one.


Anyhow, that's the way I see it.

[JoeC]

Paul said a lot of things that was his opinion (if we read carefully we will see he said it was his opinion ) yet we take it as our absolute. But the seventh angel that was sent our way we would only take it as our absolute if its thus sayeth the Lord. I know there are cases where he made gramatical errors and stuff like that but...his messages were inspired by the Lord, the Angel of the Lord told him to pick up his pen and write...

A worthy point.

[FreeAtLast]

The reason why I started this thread is because I have heard so many ppl say that the spoken Word is their absolute.

I don´t quite get it.

I believe this message was sent to restore us back to the Word (the bible). I believe this whole message because it totally lines up with the Word of God.

Bro. Branham always said that God will judge this world by His Word and nothing else.
His ministry always points us back to the bible - to restore our faith back to the faith of our (pentecostal) fathers.
Bro. Branham being a true prophet of God didn´t bring anything else but the bible - he never added or took away from the Word of God. How could he? (For if any man shall add or take away…) So his message wasn´t some new thing outside the bible - but that which was lost through the dark ages was restored back.

Another thing is that the Word of God is God himself (it´s perfect).

That´s why the Bible is my Absolute!

[BroTrevor]

Under Joe's definition of absolute I would agree to the technicality there.

It is true that we must check a prophet by the Word. Obviously Deuteronomy gives us the qualifications for a true vs false prophet. Because of this, we obviously have a standard set for checking a prophet.

That being said, I believe Bro Branham checks out by the Word. I have confidence in it. While it is true, that I check what He says by the Word, everytime I have found what I thought might be a descrepancy has never turned out to be.

So Yes, Bro Branham is not the equivalent of the Pope to us, we don't blindly follow, we do check things by the Word. But when you truly find a TRUE prophet, I believe God honors that gift in the same way everytime.

I SAMUEL 3:19
19 ¶ And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.

[FreeAtLast]

After listening to the message The Absolute, I don't know if one could really say that Brother Branham would want his every word made someone's Absolute.

I agree with that!
No doubt Bro. Branham´s absolute was the Bible.
Why should mine´s be something else?

Just wanted to make real clear that I believe the whole message (not only the parts where he says: "Thus saith the Lord") because it actually lines up with the Bible. A true prophet can´t bring anything else.

[BroTrevor]

The reason why I started this thread is because I have heard so many ppl say that the spoken Word is their absolute.

I don´t quite get it.

I believe this message was sent to restore us back to the Word (the bible). I believe this whole message because it totally lines up with the Word of God.

Bro. Branham always said that God will judge this world by His Word and nothing else.
His ministry always points us back to the bible - to restore our faith back to the faith of our (pentecostal) fathers.
Bro. Branham being a true prophet of God didn´t bring anything else but the bible - he never added or took away from the Word of God. How could he? (For if any man shall add or take away…) So his message wasn´t some new thing outside the bible - but that which was lost through the dark ages was restored back.

Another thing is that the Word of God is God himself (it´s perfect).

That´s why the Bible is my Absolute!

While I agree...that was kinda my point.

That's logic right there

If Message = Bible
If Bible = Absolute
then Message = Absolute

[FreeAtLast]

Bro. Trevor
I read your second last post just after I wrote my last post.
(otherwise I just would have said: I agree!). :)

[blessed]

I totally agree with you Trevor

[elizabeth]

The reason why I started this thread is because I have heard so many ppl say that the spoken Word is their absolute.

I don´t quite get it.

I believe this message was sent to restore us back to the Word (the bible). I believe this whole message because it totally lines up with the Word of God.

Bro. Branham always said that God will judge this world by His Word and nothing else.
His ministry always points us back to the bible - to restore our faith back to the faith of our (pentecostal) fathers.
Bro. Branham being a true prophet of God didn´t bring anything else but the bible - he never added or took away from the Word of God. How could he? (For if any man shall add or take away…) So his message wasn´t some new thing outside the bible - but that which was lost through the dark ages was restored back.

Another thing is that the Word of God is God himself (it´s perfect).

That´s why the Bible is my Absolute!


Agrees..the Bible is my Absolute :)

[JoeC]

I'm glad we're all in agreement. :)

[Angelo]

The Bible is my absolute. The prophet's message is to anchor our faith in God's Word. The revelation of the mysteries are to give us the strength and open up our understanding so that we can stand in this evil day. Brother Branham subjected himself and choose to be made one with The Word which makes him a part of the Absolute- The Word, which we all will be.

[marichino_freedom]

i go back to the bible

[NeedGod]

the spoken Word is the absolute and the written Word is the absolute too. this is because there is no difference between the two. you see, if there was a difference, then it wouldnt be the Word. if the prophet had said anything contrary to the Word, then he would have been a false prophet. what am i saying. i am saying that we should be careful, very careful, before dismissing the prophets opinion. why? because when he spoke, he had the annointing and we should consider this carefully before dismissing his opinion

[HotShot53]

I agree that we should be carefull before dismissing Bro. Branham's opinion, but I don't think we can say that every word that Bro. Branham spoke was our absolute... he did have some opinion, such as that the rapture would take place before (forgetting the exact year, but a while ago), that were obviously not absolute...

[JoeC]

The year was 1977.

[BroTrevor]

CONDEMNATION.BY.REPRESENTATION_ JEFF.IN V-2 N-13 SUNDAY_ 60-1113
Then I seen the United States as one smoldering, burnt-over place. It will be near the end. (Then I've got in parenthesis: "I predict that this will take place." Now, remember, the Lord ne... That's what the Lord showed, but "I predict this will take place before 1977.") Upon this prediction, I base, because of the onrushing slaught that's coming now, how fast that it was moving, how long it'll take till this nation meets its place.


This was in reference to the vision of seeing the US burned over. (one of the 7 things to happen in the vision he had in 1933) He predicted the date for this vision to be fulfilled.

THE.EPHESIAN.CHURCH.AGE_ JEFF.IN ROJC 131-183 MONDAY_ 60-1205
And at 1906 the Laodicean church age set in, and I don't know when it'll end, but I predict it'll be done by 1977. I predict, not the Lord told me, but I predict it according to a vision that was showed me some years ago, that five of those things has (out of the seven)--has already taken place about...

So, I guess my thought is...if Bro Branham tells me it's his opinion, ok, it's his opinion. Otherwise...I'm not going to go saying "well...that was just his opinion."

[JoeC]

Even his opinion we hold in high regard... certainly higher than our own in most cases. I believe that as the waivesheef (sp?), Brother Branham's opinion's and worldview was fully permeated by the Word.

[AgapZoe]

Did I at one point say the truth is my absolute.what i meant is The truth is my ultimate.-guess this is out of topic.

[NeedGod]

all in all, be careful. what is my absolute, the spoken and writen Word. amen!!!

[azurity]

Forgive me if I am resurrecting a dead thread. But I'm relatively knew, and didn't see this while it was fresh.

I came across this the other night, and to put it mildly, I was shocked at some of the replies. Up until then, I had always assumed that people in the Message believed the Messenger.

If I offended anyone by posting quotes anywhere on this forum, please forgive me. To me, they were the absolute. (And still are.)

Just want to say that I agree with Brother Trevor & Blessed. God bless them for standing up for what they believe, and not taking the popular opinion.

I posted a quote on my xanga that much more eloquently what I believe.

God bless all of you.

[JoeC]

I came across this the other night, and to put it mildly, I was shocked at some of the replies. Up until then, I had always assumed that people in the Message believed the Messenger.

I think you misunderstood people's posts. Nobody here doesn't believe the Messenger.

[Babyruth]

Bro. Byskal just recently talked about the quote about 1977. He took it from a very different point of view that everyone I know has taken it from. Just a sec and I'll find my notes on it. Ok, I found it. If you want to listen to it, go to www.bibleway.org and go to archived services and listen to "He Must Increase" on 03/19/06 spoken by Bro. Byskal.

Ok, I wrote this:
"1977: Bro. Branham was saying God would turn from the Gentiles to teh Jews. It was not a prophesy. He said it would usher in the millenium and usher out the Gentile age. Usher in is a process. We are being ushered into the millenium. It has been happening. If we are not being ushered into the Millenium, what are we being ushered into? Part of that calling of Bro. Branham from God was to usher in the Bride to the Millenium."

Later in my notes, "July 7, 1977: the east coast was blacked off. Time magazine showed a black skyline. No light. Bro. Branham said: 'Insanity in the streets.' There were people running and stealing; caos."

That's what I wrote down about it. I would advise you to go and listen to it for yourselves. I always wondered about that quote because people love to use it against Bro. Branham and say that they don't have to listen to everything he said because he wasn't God. I believe that too, but since he was a prophet, I would say that almost everything he said was inspired by God because he was under constant inspiration. He wasn't only under inspiration during the services. He was a man of God, chosen by God to get us ready for a rapture. So, listen to the service, I think it is vital to understanding that quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trumpetplayer]

I think it is very important that when you listen to Bro Branhams services you also read the scriptures to make sure they dove tail. Even though Bro Branham was revealing the bible and his whole message is in the bible to search out these truths are very important. Mostly if you are witnessing people dont want to hear Bro Branham said this, you must show them in the scriptures. Then if they dont except thats there fault, but there must be a Bible answer for every question.

Brother Branham never said listen to the message every day he said READ YOUR BIBLE and pray everyday.

So my answer is the Bible is the absolute! But everything in the message is in the bible.

So moral of this tale you must be able to show were the message is in the bible, not just quote the prophet.

[Babyruth]

Nice! I agree with you as well.

[HotShot53]

yeah, what trumpet player sayed is exactly what I had been trying to say earlier... what Bro. Branham said is the truth, but not cause he said it, but because what he says agrees with the Bible.

And I don't think we should look at Bro. Branham like catholics look at the pope, that he's infallable... cause he was just a man, and he did still make mistakes... see http://www.yqnews.org/forums/showpost.php?p=20017&postcount=154 for an example of one obvious contradiction that came up in another discussion.... but 99.99% of what he said was the truth, so we should listen to what he says.

[Babyruth]

HotShot, you and trumpetplayer should get together. I agree with you too! Good point! Nicely said!

[azurity]

Sorry guys, I should have been more careful with what I said. I didn't mean to come across so harsh, and cause a debate in here.

It was just that I had never heard of a Message believer not taking the Spoken Word as absoulte.

But you are right. We should take it and see how it lines up with the Bible. Brother Branham wasn't a pope. Mainly because the Pope is wrong. What he says is not in the Bible. The pope is "in the place of God." Brother Branham didn't take God's place. He wasn't God. He was a prophet.

There are parts of the Message that don't seem to make sense. But for me personally, I can't dismiss them just because it appears to be wrong, contradictory, or just an opinion. God allowed it to be said for a reason, and I leave it to Him.

[Siggi25]

My absolute is Jesus Christ and in him I get the Word becouse he is the Word and also the Father becouse Jesus and the Father are One.
But I would like to add that we should always be aware of what God is doing today. Jesus sent Br. Branham with a message to the world for this end time and for the Bride, and he had the revelation on the church ages and the seals but Bro. Branham talks about the seven thunders quite often and tells that they are going to bring the message to the bride about how she can get the rapturing faith. In the 10 chapter of revelation it says in the 3 vers
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
(When he had cried) as to after his ministry has ended.
Branham often spoke as he was waiting for the revelation to speak about this but he never did. So God has to have someone else to reveile it and I believe that time is at hand for that seven thunders to utter their voices becouse the word says so and they are seiled so it can only be reveild but I am waiting for it.

[JoeC]

Hi everyone, I am 24 years old and I live in Iceland. I love Jesus Christ and I am here to speak to others who do the same. I like sports and weight training and outdoors. But mainly I hope to work for God the rest of my live. I read as much as I can to try to get more knowledge of him and I am always trying to get closer. I hope that I will meet people here who I can talk to about God and get to know better.

Siggi, please feel free to introduce yourself in the Welcomes & Introductions forum (http://yqnews.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22). We'd all love to meet you!

[HotShot53]

Branham often spoke as he was waiting for the revelation to speak about this but he never did. So God has to have someone else to reveile it and I believe that time is at hand for that seven thunders to utter their voices becouse the word says so and they are seiled so it can only be reveild but I am waiting for it.

I think this was revealed to Bro. Branham, but God told him to not preach it (if I recall correctly....) I think they take place after the rapture when God is dealing with the Jews again, so I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be revealed to us before the rapture.

[Siggi25]

I think this was revealed to Bro. Branham, but God told him to not preach it (if I recall correctly....) I think they take place after the rapture when God is dealing with the Jews again, so I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be revealed to us before the rapture.

Hi, mabye he did know but he didin´t preach it, but i believe that it is to be revieled to the Bride becouse Branham said in more than one of his sermons that it would. ex.
“The Third Seal,” 1963, March of 1963 . . . in “The Third Seal,” Bro. Branham said, “The Bride has never had a revival yet.” And then he goes on to describe what it would take to wake her up. He said, “She’s never had a revival yet.” He said, “It’s going to take those Seven Unknown Thunders to wake her up.”
The Bride, the seven trumphets are for the Jews. He also said in the message is this the sign of the end 1962. That there is only one thing left and that is the seven thunders. it is all tied together the church ages, the seals and the trumphets and the vials and the thunders and it all comes in sevens.

[JoeC]

In any case,

I think that those of us who say, "The Absolute is Bible only" are saying this in the sense that if Brother's Branham words were the Absolute, then his words are truth simply because he said it.

What Brother Branham says is not truth because he said it - it is truth because the Bible confirms it.

So, if the Bible has to confirm what Brother Branham is saying, are his words the Absolute? No - because we are referencing back to what the Bible says. See the following quote from a previous post as to the difference:

Absolute is a pretty strong word.

Get a load of this:

noun, def 2

Absolute Philosophy.
Something regarded as the ultimate basis of all thought and being. Used with the.
Something regarded as independent of and unrelated to anything else.So to say that the Bible is the absolute is to say that it is independent in and of itself and requires no further confirmation. Furthermore, it is the basis upon which we lay all our beliefs and opinions. It is the bedrock of our very understanding of the world and everything is subject to it. Nothing supersedes it. Under no circumstances can it be questioned.
An Absolute (capital 'A') is independent in and of itself. Nothing has to confirm it. If it weren't for the Biblical confirmation of Brother Branham's ministry, he would be just another evangelist. So no, Brother Branham is not the Absolute. The Bible is - the Bible only.


Please understand that saying, "The Message isn't the Absolute" does nothing to the truth value of the Message - it merely subjects the Message to the authority of the true Absolute - the Bible.

[SpamBoy]

monkey wrench anyone? :laugh:
actually just a different angle.

"Thus Saith the LORD ___insert BB quote___" is not written in the Bible and yet it's Absolute Truth.

As the Bride we *are* Absolute Truth - "when you have seen me you have seen the Father." "What she says He will back up." "She has a blank check in the Father's Name."

where was I going with this thought?

There is a lot of talk about the tapes (and even words that BB said outside the tapes "California sinking before Billy Paul is an old man" for example).
One side says "every word BB spoke is Absolute" the other side says "I will take what I like and agree with it as Absolute then discard the rest"

The balance is not every word on the tapes are Absolute (BB often said "700 have not bowed a kneee to Baal" but it was 7000) and God has watched over this Message and it's really His Spirit that reveals it... you can't learn it by intellects *Ahem*. So if God has to reval it to you then there are 0 mistakes. :laugh: :yay:

Something to think about :
Some (like me and BroTrevor) agree that BB opinion counts more than other peoples facts.

--S

[BroTrevor]

Just something to add, that's stirring in me...

Everything we have recorded of the first church age messenger communicating to others we accept as the bible.

Should it be different for the seventh church age messenger?

when did the Bible cease being "written" ??

An interesting thought...although I know there is more to it than that.

[SpamBoy]

will you stop that!!!! :agry2:

your making us think. :laugh:

+1 ::ok:

[JoeC]

"Thus Saith the LORD ___insert BB quote___" is not written in the Bible and yet it's Absolute Truth.
Perhaps I should say then that the Absolute is the WORD of God. When a confirmed prophet uses "thus sayeth the Lord" that is the Word of God. But that's the only instance where I see what Brother Branham says to be an Absolute - everything else certainly may be truth, but we still confirm it with the Absolute.

I believe I'll go back and listen to the message "The Absolute" before I continue on with this discussion.

[BroTrevor]

I believe I'll go back and listen to the message "The Absolute" before I continue on with this discussion.

A worthy idea!

[FreeAtLast]

Just something to add, that's stirring in me...

Everything we have recorded of the first church age messenger communicating to others we accept as the bible.

Should it be different for the seventh church age messenger?

when did the Bible cease being "written" ??

An interesting thought...although I know there is more to it than that.

Maybe I got it all wrong.
But to my understanding the bible was finished when the last verse in Revelation was written. And no man should add or take away.
The bible is the perfect Word of God. And the Word of God is God himself.
Bro. Branham didn´t bring a new gospel or anything outside the bible...

[BroTrevor]

Maybe I got it all wrong.
But to my understanding the bible was finished when the last verse in Revelation was written. And no man should add or take away.
The bible is the perfect Word of God. And the Word of God is God himself.
Bro. Branham didn´t bring a new gospel or anything outside the bible...

Yes, I will grant you that. I was being very one sided in that post.

My thought was... How was the Bible written? Men of old wrote as the Holy Spirit led them. What the 1st church age messenger wrote down, we consider it the Bible. In the first church Age, that was not "the bible" at the time.

BUT IT WAS GOD'S VOICE TO THAT AGE!

I am in no way advocating that we should slap Bro Branhams sermons onto the end of our Bible.

But was Bro Branham God's voice to our age or not? Should we treat what he said the same way the first church treated what the first church age messenger said?

Also, our lives "ought" to be able to write another book of acts behind it.

God is not a God of History. He is the I AM.


Bro. Branham didn´t bring a new gospel or anything outside the bible...

Amen.

[NeedGod]

during the week services, the preacher mentioned something about absolutes. he said something i really think helped me. The absolute is the Word of God. now, the question is, What is the Word of God?
here is the understanding i got. correct me if i got it wrong. please gimme quotes on this too, lots of quotes from the prophets, because what i get if it is not agreeing with the prophet's message, then it i not right!

The Word of God is the bible and the Word of God is also the Word He gives to a messenger in every Age.
now, the Word He gives to each messenger is in the various ages is still in the bible because He is an unchanging God. His Word endures forever. but the Word is revealed to people in different ages in bits, till the Full comes. it is just sealed up in the bible, all we get is the interpretation of it from His messenger who He reveals it to for His bride to get it.
ok, so i the Word is therefore always there in the bible and then its revealed to the prophet FOR ME AND YOU, His loved ones.

please correct me if i am wrong, i understood it that way, i dont want to understand it the wrong way!

[HotShot53]

If I'm understanding you correct, Namwacha, I think that's it.... it's all in the Bible, and the prophets reveal it to us.

[NeedGod]

aaah! thank goodness. when i understand something, i like making sure its not just my intellect but the Word

[Angelo]

Bro Branham teaches that an Absolute is something that we could use as an anchor and where we can rely our faith upon, a tie post. Bro Branham used Paul's experience on his way to Samaria, his encounter with the Lord Jesus became his tie post, an absolute experience.

We also should consider that God is unlimited. He can work or express His attributes in various forms or ways but by the same principles and conditions. There are many instances that God spoke to Bro Branham through dreams that puzzled him until it is revealed to him by God. Sometimes these messages and acts of God come puzzling to man until it is revealed, and when it is revealed and accepted it becomes an absolute message from God.

Some prophets may probably gone through some troubles recognizing their call or absolute experience from God. Like Samuel, had to get back several times but after recognizing, it grounded his faith to this experience. Jonah resisted his absolute mission at first and has to go through a lot of trouble into the belly of the whale. God will surely manifest himself according to the age and the personality of His people that they will succeed in succumbing themselves to God and fulfilling His purpose.

And once the Word of God or Logos is received, everything the Logos expresses or states through the person becomes the absolute. God will be responsible to prove that word, and it will come to pass. But then, we have our rights to make mistakes, and have our own opinions, and prophets are men and need grace also, but mistakes does not disqualify the election of God.

Note:

The Holy Spirit will just point you to the Word and without the Spirit, the letter killeth.

[NeedGod]

this topic has been taught in church of late for a long time.
The absolute is the Wordof God alright. The revealed Word of God for this seaon. not the revealed Word for any other season. if you take the Word of God fromanother season, then you have strayed from the absolute. so we should be careful and watch what we take in.
now, the absolute is given to a prophet by God. you cant take the mesage ad deny the messenger. if you say for example that brother branham isnt a prophet, then you cant accept the message and not the messenger.
so, in summary, the message of thehour is the absolute.

[jtucker]

Bro Branham teaches that an Absolute is something that we could use as an anchor and where we can rely our faith upon, a tie post. Bro Branham used Paul's experience on his way to Samaria, his encounter with the Lord Jesus became his tie post, an absolute experience.

We also should consider that God is unlimited. He can work or express His attributes in various forms or ways but by the same principles and conditions. There are many instances that God spoke to Bro Branham through dreams that puzzled him until it is revealed to him by God. Sometimes these messages and acts of God come puzzling to man until it is revealed, and when it is revealed and accepted it becomes an absolute message from God.

Some prophets may probably gone through some troubles recognizing their call or absolute experience from God. Like Samuel, had to get back several times but after recognizing, it grounded his faith to this experience. Jonah resisted his absolute mission at first and has to go through a lot of trouble into the belly of the whale. God will surely manifest himself according to the age and the personality of His people that they will succeed in succumbing themselves to God and fulfilling His purpose.

And once the Word of God or Logos is received, everything the Logos expresses or states through the person becomes the absolute. God will be responsible to prove that word, and it will come to pass. But then, we have our rights to make mistakes, and have our own opinions, and prophets are men and need grace also, but mistakes does not disqualify the election of God.

Note:

The Holy Spirit will just point you to the Word and without the Spirit, the letter killeth.

this is me being in agreeance

[eagleendtime]

Without God sending a prophet, we wouldn't know with absolute certainity that the bible is the truth.

Fact is you can't recognize a prophet either as being true without the bible.

Even deeper still, you can't recognize either without a revelation. other wise it is just mental understanding and human faith.

Can't seperate the message from the bible or vice versa.

[joris]

Without God sending a prophet, we wouldn't know with absolute certainity that the bible is the truth.Uhm no. You believe because of revelation by God, not by someone's preaching. Remember many followed Jesus, but also, many walked away at times. Even hearing His words, wasn't enough without the revelation.

Your faith life started with revelation, with responding to it, and surrendering. God uses the preaching, that's how He chooses to draw people, but without Him revealing, and hearts responding to that, nobody would receive it.

[eagleendtime]

Uhm no. You believe because of revelation by God, not by someone's preaching. Remember many followed Jesus, but also, many walked away at times. Even hearing His words, wasn't enough without the revelation.

Your faith life started with revelation, with responding to it, and surrendering. God uses the preaching, that's how He chooses to draw people, but without Him revealing, and hearts responding to that, nobody would receive it.

Joris read all my post! What faith life? Your faith or God's faith? God's faith is a revelation. We must believe first. What you posted is excelent but only reiteration of:

Even deeper still, you can't recognize either without a revelation. other wise it is just mental understanding and human faith.


Without the power and demonstration one does not know the bible is true. Paul was a prophet and said he came preaching with Power and demonstration. Power and demonstration catches the people attention.

Revelation secures it - AFTER ONE BELIEVES IT. -"since you believe"

It takes a prophet with all the messes of the denominational teachings out there to show that Jesus Christ is the Same, yesterday, today, and forever and that the scriptures really mean what they say. A prophet has demonstrated that in power.

But ultimately like you said many follow Jesus and walked away too - lack of revelation.

[eagleendtime]

Well this thread, may have reached it's end.

But one of our more senior ministers was preaching today. To summarize a bit of what he was saying.

He referenced how in the days when he was younger, how we would turn to the message and whoever said anything.

With "Where did Bro. Branham say that?" or "What did He say on that subject?"

"We would turn to the message for our absolute, the final say what the scriptures meant and how we are to conduct and live our lives"

Now we have have MP3 players, message search engines, computers with the message on it. Do we make proper use of our tools available to us?