View Full Version : Planetary alignment and intelligent design
BroTrevor
02-06-2006, 02:11 PM
On Saturday, we visited the Louisville Science Museum. THey have a new exhibit that has something to do with planets. In this exhibit is a big round computer screen that is touch sensitive. In the middle of the screen was the sun, the planets were all down at the bottom. The object of the exhibit was you were supposed to place planets in various distances and positions from the sun. Obviously you didn't want planets running into each other, and you wanted the orbits of the planets to work with the sun and such.
I tried this out and really got a grand picture of how awesome our solar system is. Not only do you have to have planets the right distance from the sun, but you also have to have them the right distance from each other. The velocity of their orbits also goes into effect. The scenario I set up caused my sun to wobble greatly due to planets "aligning" and the aggregate gravity of the planets "pulling" on the sun, which obviously caused the planets orbits to change, and finally they went spinning off out of orbit.
In short: CHAOS ENSUED!!
Thus, I easily saw that it would be no small thing to create a functioning solar system. So many factors would have to be taken into account to create a stable functioning solar system.
Anyhow...I didn't have enough time to stand there and come up with a thesis regarding it all due to a 2 yr old and a 4 yr old running everywhere with short attention spans...so I just offer my thoughts up for discussion of those intellectuals who would care to offer any supporting information or research.
Yay! a New thread!
I'm not sure if I would want to be called an intellectual. It seems to carry a negative connotation in the Message. :think:
BroTrevor
02-06-2006, 03:33 PM
I'm not sure if I would want to be called an intellectual. It seems to carry a negative connotation in the Message. :think:
Sorry...
let me rephrase it...
I just offer my thoughts up for discussion of those polymaths who would care to offer any supporting information or research.
lol... that would have to be Snoopy. He's the guy to talk on ID. :thumbup:
It does sound like a really neat program though - especially if it is really scientifically accurate. It would have to be pretty advanced with a lot of nifty calculations (inverse squares and other joys). JMG is probably green with envy. :drool:
In_His_Grace
02-07-2006, 12:10 AM
Brother Trevor, Just thinking about that Program makes me think of how marvelous is our Lord who hung those heavens in place. He wrote a Bible in the Sky just for us. Praise his Holy Name!!! Sis Lynn
Mick_Mack89
02-07-2006, 12:12 AM
lol... that would have to be Snoopy. He's the guy to talk on ID. :thumbup:
It does sound like a really neat program though - especially if it is really scientifically accurate. It would have to be pretty advanced with a lot of nifty calculations (inverse squares and other joys). JMG is probably green with envy. :drool:
"Nifty calculations"?????
What are you crazy? NIfty???? Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
*runs from this thread 'cause math is not fun past the fourth grade*
marichino_freedom
02-07-2006, 01:04 AM
math is fun! i have always enjoyed it.....it has no opinion
Mick_Mack89
02-07-2006, 01:15 AM
Well I thought 2plus 2 was fun too, but than they got into the hard stuff like 1 squared. :-p
math is fun! i have always enjoyed it.....it has no opinion
This is indeed one of the more attractive elements to mathematics (at least for me) - there is an absolutely right answer. It's not dependent upon opinions.
HotShot53
02-07-2006, 01:37 AM
Yeah, that's why I always liked math too... up to calculus, anyway.....
NeedGod
02-07-2006, 02:07 AM
oh, calculus scared me off too. and everything else. i just left off after 3 months bridging in college and decided no more math for me. droh! i am doing accounting in two semesters time Droh and double droh!!!
Babyruth
02-07-2006, 02:53 AM
I liked math until we got to imaginary numbers. The whole reason why I liked math was because it worked out, but when it suddenly changed all of a sudden, I don't like it anymore.
NeedGod
02-07-2006, 02:59 AM
yeah, when they go like imagine this number is x. i am left thinking, just tell me what the stupid number is. droh!!! :ranting:
Babyruth
02-07-2006, 03:04 AM
I don't mind that so much, it's when they say, umm, this doesn't work out, lets add an imaginary number i and then it works. But there are a bunch of restrictions and you must memorize them all or you will fail. Oh, and by the way, there is a whole world of imaginary numbers, so your answers may not actually be right, but... After that, I stopped listening.
NeedGod
02-07-2006, 03:09 AM
ha, it just tires me out from the time they say, lets open the math books on page ....thats where i drift. but anything else, anything to do with politics :unsure: and reasoning, i am all in. thats why i am doing mass communication.
I liked math until we got to imaginary numbers. The whole reason why I liked math was because it worked out, but when it suddenly changed all of a sudden, I don't like it anymore.
Actually mathematics still works out with imaginary numbers. The reason for imaginary numbers is to handle the oddity of the square root of negative one. Which as you all know that you are only allowed to take the square root of a positive number. But, if you make the square root of negative one into a special number instead of into a weird exception, you can handle the square root of negative one by saying "It is its own number, and it has its own properties." Also, by making the square root of negative one into a number, a whole class of numbers can be handled, namely, the square roots of all negative numbers. Now, the reason the letter i is used to denote the imaginary number is to save ink, pencil lead, etc.
You see? Imaginary numbers are nessecary for mathematics to work out. :thumbup:
It does sound like a really neat program though - especially if it is really scientifically accurate. It would have to be pretty advanced with a lot of nifty calculations (inverse squares and other joys). JMG is probably green with envy. :drool:
No no JoeC, I am "primed" with envy. :wink: :aaaah:
NeedGod
02-07-2006, 07:35 AM
i dont know what you are trying to do. is this a plan that has been made to scare me off the forums? is it now? is it?
Aw, just think of a number between zero and negative one, and you've got the imaginary number. :thumbup:
BroTrevor
02-07-2006, 01:41 PM
uhm...not to disappoint everyone, but i really don't think the computer model was THAT complicated. Although I can't be sure. It was a user-interface deal where you just point and drag with your finger.
AgapZoe
02-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Brother Trevor....I don't think I have anything to say on this one...maybe am just not an intellectual... :greetings ciao!!!
uhm...not to disappoint everyone, but i really don't think the computer model was THAT complicated. Although I can't be sure. It was a user-interface deal where you just point and drag with your finger.
No, the interface probally wasn't complicated, but, what about the algorithms that were used to calulate the planets positions, orbits, graviatational attractions, etc. Ah, in other words, "What runs the face." :thumbup:
BroTrevor
02-07-2006, 05:16 PM
To be sure, that would have been interesting to see what was "under the hood".
yeah, and being a computer wiz, you could probably understand it all too!
BroTrevor
02-07-2006, 06:30 PM
yeah, and being a computer wiz, you could probably understand it all too!
Yes, but I'm not a math wiz...
Maybe you could get JMG to look at it with you. ;)
He's doing an applied mathematics/physics engineering program.
Oh yeah, if both of us looked at it we probally would be able to fairly well dissect the inner workings of the simulation. Yeah, such as I already know that one of the major principles used in the simulation is the law of universal graviation. Then from knowing the law of universal gravitation you can calculate the the speed at which a planet is moving in its orbit... Oh my, dissecting such a simulation would be a blast! :yay:
JMG's saliva glands are flowing with his anticipation
JoeC you could not have said a truer thing! :thumbup:
HotShot53
02-07-2006, 11:57 PM
Now you just have to find someone to get in there and get the program out... unless you want to be booring and do it a legal way ;)
So, who's the man to complete this three-team squad?
*puts hand above eyes and peers over the forum members
Mick_Mack89
02-08-2006, 01:39 AM
I am.... the... BLACK NINJA!!! :ninja: DUN DUN DUN !!!!
(With three hooked up friends)
:2ar15: :2ar15: :2ar15:
Babyruth
02-08-2006, 02:59 AM
Actually mathematics still works out with imaginary numbers. The reason for imaginary numbers is to handle the oddity of the square root of negative one. Which as you all know that you are only allowed to take the square root of a positive number. But, if you make the square root of negative one into a special number instead of into a weird exception, you can handle the square root of negative one by saying "It is its own number, and it has its own properties." Also, by making the square root of negative one into a number, a whole class of numbers can be handled, namely, the square roots of all negative numbers. Now, the reason the letter i is used to denote the imaginary number is to save ink, pencil lead, etc.
You see? Imaginary numbers are nessecary for mathematics to work out. :thumbup:
No no JoeC, I am "primed" with envy. :wink: :aaaah:
I agree with namwacha, are you trying to ruin the forum for me????????? I see no purpose in imaginary numbers, if they are imaginary, why learn them? We don't learn about imaginary worlds in science, why do so in math?
NeedGod
02-08-2006, 04:15 AM
ok, lets call this thread the guy section. there, you got one now. satisfied? huh? satisfied?
I agree with namwacha, are you trying to ruin the forum for me????????? I see no purpose in imaginary numbers, if they are imaginary, why learn them? We don't learn about imaginary worlds in science, why do so in math?
Welllllllll... Actually there are imaginary worlds in science... :)
Have you ever heard of parallel universes? Or, parallel worlds?
They are places that certain scientist believe exists becasue to use ruff terms, the whole sceme works out. And the only reason they are imaginary, the worlds and the universes, is that they have not been observed. But, in science there are several instances where becasue something could not be observed did not mean it did not exsist. A very important example of these instances, is the atom. The atom, even as of today, has not been seen directly observed, but the atom is there, and everyone knows it is there becasue the whole sceme works out. :)
It comes down to this. The world would have everyone to believe that science is absolute, but it is not. The edges of science are fuzzy, and there are times that the scientist must make a good "guess". The guess being based on what has been observed, reasoning, and intuition. Then sometimes it is not clear that the guess is correct, but it is ahered to if it agrees with experimentation. That is, if it is something that can be experiemented on.
Basically, science is good guess work.
Ah, it is exciting though being a christian and being in science, becasue there are so many (A LOT!!!!) of parallels between the natural world and the spiritual world.
So, the reason for imaginary numbers is that no one knows what the square root of negative one looks like. So they have to "imagine" it, and to help with the imagining the letter i is used to denote the letter. :)
Here are links for parallel universes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_worlds), and parallel worlds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_many-worlds_interpretation).... :banana:
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 10:04 AM
Now you just have to find someone to get in there and get the program out... unless you want to be booring and do it a legal way ;)
heehee
I'm in...since I probably have the most knowledge of the louisville area.
We're gonna need technology....lots of technology...
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 10:05 AM
ok, lets call this thread the guy section. there, you got one now. satisfied? huh? satisfied?
Ah...relaxing!! Let's call it... The Sci/Tech Garage or something cool like that.
We don't learn about imaginary worlds in science, why do so in math?
There's actually a whole field where "imaginary worlds" or imaginary possibilities are speculated on in science - it's called theoretical physics. Fascinating!
Oh my, theoretical physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics) is cool! :thumbup: :aaaah: :banana:
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 01:26 PM
<sigh>
Sometimes I wish I would have went to college. I could have studied this very cool stuff.
Well, it is never to late to study this stuff. :-p
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 03:11 PM
Be that as it may...
My guess is it wont happen. I hardly have time for the things I have time for now!
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 05:34 PM
True?,,,,,,,,,,,
I was testing to see how attachments are handled for posts. I was wondering if the attachment was put diretly into the post, or as a seperate member. And now I see that it is put in as a seperate member requring the use of a link.
Test concluded.
:peep:
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 05:52 PM
So....I passed?
blessed
02-08-2006, 09:40 PM
Sorry guys i know you want this to be a guy forum but this girl just joined he he :tongue:
BroTrevor
02-08-2006, 11:26 PM
So Blessed,
Were you going to enlighten us further on theoretical physics?
blessed
02-10-2006, 01:07 PM
Sure Trevor,
Theoretical physics attempts to understand the world by making a model of reality, used for rationalizing, explaining, and predicting physical phenomena through a "physical theory". There are three types of theories in physics: mainstream theories, proposed theories and fringe theories.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics (http://www.google.tt/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics)
This is a great book you should read it :
Theoretical Physics
by George Joos, Ira M Freeman
Let me see, physics is based primarly on experiments, or shall i say quantative experiment, a logical realtionship must be established between a theory and an experiment. Theory allows us to systematize the available experimental material and also makes it possible to predict new facts which can be verified by an experiment.
There did that help
:D
Source: the good old brain and
Theoretical Physics
by A S Kompaneyets
WOAH, what a nock out? Are you a therotician? :peep:
It's really amazing what they've found through theoretical physics. There's even a theory out there that proposes something that sounds suspiciously close to a theophany.
A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking
We now know that every particle has an antiparticle, with which it can
annihilate. There could be whole antiworlds and antipeople made out of
antiparticles. However, if you meet your antiself, don't shake hands!
You would both vanish in a great flash of light. 73
Mick_Mack89
02-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Oooh cool, I already knew about anti-matter! Yea!! I'm so awesome. :worthy:
I'd just like to know where you would vanish to...
Stephen Hawking obviously thinks that you would be no more. Perhaps. Perhaps this isn't even a theophany he's unwittingly speaking of. I know that Bro. Donny Reagan spoke on it in one of his sermons... I'll have to see if I can dig it up.
blessed
02-10-2006, 06:20 PM
Maybe he was speaking of a teophany...in the sense of the corruptible putting on incorruption. i would like to have had a discussion with him and his observation.
NeedGod
02-21-2006, 07:39 AM
me too...i so would love to!
collegegirl
02-21-2006, 02:02 PM
:stupid:
I am just kidding. Someday perhaps I will get into studies about such things, but currently, I prefer rock solid information, such as what really exists, and real life at this moment. But when I do get slightly envolved, I love to learn about such things. I sometimes do get confused about theories and such like, and I do like math (to a certain extent). But I would much rather sound dumb by not knowing about certain things and be sure of God, than to know about all of the theories and calculations that exist, and cause myself to doubt Him.
blessed
02-21-2006, 04:39 PM
:stupid:
But I would much rather sound dumb by not knowing about certain things and be sure of God, than to know about all of the theories and calculations that exist, and cause myself to doubt Him.
That sound pretty smart to me, being sure of God and not knowing about certain things
:stupid:
I am just kidding. Someday perhaps I will get into studies about such things, but currently, I prefer rock solid information, such as what really exists, and real life at this moment. But when I do get slightly envolved, I love to learn about such things. I sometimes do get confused about theories and such like, and I do like math (to a certain extent). But I would much rather sound dumb by not knowing about certain things and be sure of God, than to know about all of the theories and calculations that exist, and cause myself to doubt Him.
It's my opinion that anyone starting college should have the Holy Ghost first. Also, if studying fields that will attempt to contradict scripture one ought to have a consistent prayer life and be well grounded in the Word.
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