Worship and your heart rate

[BroTrevor]

As I was exercising at the gym this morning, I noticed something. When a song that I really can get into worshipping on, started playing on my iPod (I try to close out the world around me), I noticed my heart rate stayed lower, and I actually had a difficult time getting it back up above 150.

Anyone seen any studies on worshipping God keeping your heart rate lower?

I think this could tie loosely to the studies that say things like, people with "faith" live longer and are generally happier, etc.

Maybe some of you intellectual folks know of something other than my very limited, unscientific observations this morning. I shall continue to monitor such things, however, I wont really let my heart rate get in the way of getting into my worshipping while I'm exercising...

[SpamBoy]

What group/song were you listening to?

Selah would keep my heart rate low.
Ike LaFontaine would make me want to bail hay or milk a cow.
MWS worship cd's *might* get my heart rate up.
I work out to family camp videos...I like to stimulate my mind and body at the same time....plus it get's study time in easily while I'm 'trapped' in a room runing in the same place.

:treadmill

-SpamBoy
"I workout alone, you undertand."

[collegegirl]

That is a very interesting study. I will check it out sometime on google or something to see if there is actually a study or something about it.

Speaking about doing spiritual things, did you know that fasting is actually very benefitial to your health? I was looking up something, and I got sidetracked, and I was reading about these medical studies on fasting, and the people were saying that fasting was good for your health. (anyone ever heard of Ghandi?)

[JoeC]

Keen observation, Brother Trevor. I'll have to look that one up sometime... find some studies. I wouldn't be surprised if worshipping did encourage your health - obedience to a lot of the other commandments God gave has shown to encourage good health.

[SpamBoy]

That is a very interesting study. I will check it out sometime on google or something to see if there is actually a study or something about it.

Speaking about doing spiritual things, did you know that fasting is actually very benefitial to your health? I was looking up something, and I got sidetracked, and I was reading about these medical studies on fasting, and the people were saying that fasting was good for your health. (anyone ever heard of Ghandi?)

fasting is very good for you.
but fasting in the Bible sense is "a feast in the Lord." http://blog.larrymoore.org/images/laugh-508.gif

Ghandi -- yes.

On the topic : I've noticed that excersising with my wife in the same room increase my heart rate dramatically. oh wait....getting beat with an iron pan is excersising for HER --- not me (unless I run)..... http://blog.larrymoore.org/images/shocked-509.gif

[BroTrevor]

What on earth does Ghandi have to do with this???

[SpamBoy]

Try searching the subject of fasting+ghandi (http://wwp.river-thames.com/stunt/david_blaine/famous-fasts/mahatma-gandhi.htm)

Ghandi used fasting to stop wars and voilence.

-SpamBoy
"Dare to be st00pid."

[Babyruth]

I've heard somewhere, that if you are a Christian, you are more likely to be healthier and other good stuff.

[SpamBoy]

Wow, I never read that although it makes sense.
We *should* have less stress and worries and most others :D

When a brother corrected me on fasting and taught it's a feast in the Lord I have looked at it in a total different way. I'm trying my best to have a feast with Him every day...some days are better than others.

Funny point about me when I study more I excercise less, when I exercise more I study less. Anyone have this issue?

-SpamBoy
"The Pray Way."

[NeedGod]

oh i think christian are healthier because they worry less. we just leave all our worries to the Lord. if anything untoward happens, we leave it to God and pray. also, we realize everything happens for a good and a reason..., so we just sit still and wait for the Lord to do his plan for us. Oh, i love God so much, He also makes us yonger. all these love makes people young. love is good for us.

[blessed]

i have noticed that if i listen to worship my heart rate is slower my body is relaxed and i can think more clearly

[NeedGod]

i dont know what happens to the heart but one thing is for sure, i usually feel like dancing sometimes when i hear the Word

[AgapZoe]

i dont know what happens to the heart but one thing is for sure, i usually feel like dancing sometimes when i hear the Word

by the way namwacha, how can you know what happens to the heart yet you are doing mass-communication.or you guys in your communication classes are taught the heart-rate, pulse...and all that stuff? who knows, maybe you guys are learning the mass-communication of the human system! lol.

Brother T., that's quite an ardent observation to make. Were you that lost in the song that you were not even hearing it so you only could notice the heart-rate?:)

Anyhow, what I know, though vaguely, from my reading...it is true..all that you said and well, all that some of you other guys have said.
-see the way guys for martial arts do their exercises...then when they are thru, they don't feel exhausted but relaxed especially Yoga.
It's all got to do with the power of belief.The human mind, once it believes in anything, the entire body automatically responds to it. So, unto my point, the fact that you were listening to that kind of music, it put you into that state. You created that state in your mind by listening to the song hence your entire body following suit.Your heart being a part of your body system, responded to the mesage being sent by the brain..which was SLOW!

[AgapZoe]

-kinda like this thread, but where am I supposed to go to get to comment on it?

[AgapZoe]

now i know where to go to when i wanna comment on people's posts. thanks to blessed and namwacha!

[cdnjava]

Ike LaFontaine would make me want to bail hay or milk a cow.



:lol: ... poor Ike...

As a song leader I've observed that worship really tends to put us in a different frame of mind. I'm sure that translates physiologically as well...
When we worship, particularly prior to the preaching, we are creating an atmosphere in which the Holy Spirit is welcome. How many times have we heard Bro Branham say "Now just be real quiet... be reverent.." or something similar. Seems it would be rather hard to do that if we are not in a relaxed, worshipful spirit. All that to say it makes sense that our body would be affected by worship.

Let's worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, with all of our body, mind, and soul...

:praise:

[desertroses]

:lol: ... poor Ike...

As a song leader I've observed that worship really tends to put us in a different frame of mind. I'm sure that translates physiologically as well...
When we worship, particularly prior to the preaching, we are creating an atmosphere in which the Holy Spirit is welcome. How many times have we heard Bro Branham say "Now just be real quiet... be reverent.." or something similar. Seems it would be rather hard to do that if we are not in a relaxed, worshipful spirit. All that to say it makes sense that our body would be affected by worship.

Let's worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, with all of our body, mind, and soul...

:praise:


Amen Brother :)

[BroTrevor]

Yes, while we are worshipping in spirit, our spirit directly affects our body I believe. While we worship we can create an atmosphere around us as well.

Java, did you lead songs for the March meetings last year?

[cdnjava]

Yes, while we are worshipping in spirit, our spirit directly affects our body I believe. While we worship we can create an atmosphere around us as well.

Java, did you lead songs for the March meetings last year?

Although I did lead singing at Tucson Tabernacle while we were there, for the past 6 years we have fellowshipped at Catalina Bible Way, a small little group about 15 miles north of Tucson.

Actually our pastor, Bro Mark Strohkorb, is JordanP's uncle...

[AgapZoe]

:lol: ... poor Ike...

As a song leader I've observed that worship really tends to put us in a different frame of mind. I'm sure that translates physiologically as well...
When we worship, particularly prior to the preaching, we are creating an atmosphere in which the Holy Spirit is welcome. How many times have we heard Bro Branham say "Now just be real quiet... be reverent.." or something similar. Seems it would be rather hard to do that if we are not in a relaxed, worshipful spirit. All that to say it makes sense that our body would be affected by worship.

Let's worship Him in Spirit and in Truth, with all of our body, mind, and soul...

:praise:

Amen!............

[Jezz]

I know that classical music has the same effect that you describe. It lowers your heart rate, keeps you relaxed. I'm not sure what song you were listening to but perhaps it happened because it was a slower song? Faster songs do raise your heart rate which is part of the reason why rock music is so popular in my opinion. I always study to classical music or christian music (none of that rocky "christian" music tho) because its been proven that classical music improves your performance mentally, helps you to remember things, keeps you focused etc. I've never thought about listening to that music when I am exercising because I've always thought its better to have a higher heart rate otherwise you might not be getting the oxygen to your muscles fast enough which will drop your performance.. I don't know if that true or not, I came to that conclusion on my own based on what little I know about how the body works.

this is an interesting article to read:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/health/getfit/music805

[BroTrevor]

Actually...I think it was a bit of a faster song.

"I call you faithful - you're name is faithful...you are so faithful to me!!"

[AgapZoe]

oh oh oh,I call you faithful,your name is faithful,you are so faithful to me....Amen.
Just to continue on this discussion,I have a kinda rhetorical question for you: Do you think words of a song also matter when it comes to the heartrate?(considering the words of the song bro Trevor was listening to.)Somehow.I think so but I just can't explain it yet.

[BroTrevor]

oh oh oh,I call you faithful,your name is faithful,you are so faithful to me....Amen.
Just to continue on this discussion,I have a kinda rhetorical question for you: Do you think words of a song also matter when it comes to the heartrate?(considering the words of the song bro Trevor was listening to.)Somehow.I think so but I just can't explain it yet.

I would guess the Words of a song would matter...as they words are expressing the feeling.

A Word, as we are taught by Bro Branham, is a thought expressed. When you speak that thought, it creates something. The atmosphere was being created by those thoughts being expressed...thus lowering my heart rate, and lifting me up into His presence.

ALREADY seated in heavenly places.

[redeemed]

Amen Bro Trevor

[Angelo]

I would guess the Words of a song would matter...as they words are expressing the feeling.

A Word, as we are taught by Bro Branham, is a thought expressed. When you speak that thought, it creates something. The atmosphere was being created by those thoughts being expressed...thus lowering my heart rate, and lifting me up into His presence.

ALREADY seated in heavenly places.
That is why I always update my MP3 with songs and preachings so that the rates won't stop..:musicians

[NeedGod]

oh, the Words really matter. some times seated in church, the preacher says some things and you want to dance..and when walking with friends talking, you dont really feel the same way exactly. The Word of God is a Living Word, it comes in you and makes you feel good. it moves in me when i hear the Word. same goes to music. when music is inspiring and has the Word in it, i get excited.....and excitement comes with a faster heart rate.
:yay:
:yay:
:yay:

[Angelo]

My heart is fixed, O God,
My heart is fixed:
I will sing and give praise.
Awake up, my glory;
awake, psaltery and harp:
I myself will awake early.

[NeedGod]

i have seen about waking up early and i remembered something.
i usually wake up early to pray, but of late i find i dont feel like.
i force myself to wake up and read the Word and pray, but i still feel empty through the day, like i am not fully with God the rest of the day.
can it be something i have done in my life? what is it? does anyone know?:(

[TheSlack]

come unto me all who are weary, and i will give you REST...

[HotShot53]

Welcome to the forums Johnny :)

[TheSlack]

thanx hotshot...

[jtucker]

Welcome, but for my rest i will go to Jesus!

[JoeC]

uhhh, Josh? I think that when Slack posted the come unto me verse, he was linking the scripture to the current discussion on music... saying that Christian music will give people peace and rest.

He wasn't telling people to come unto him. ;-)

[jtucker]

well either way my trust is in the Lord

[Angelo]

i have seen about waking up early and i remembered something.
i usually wake up early to pray, but of late i find i dont feel like.
i force myself to wake up and read the Word and pray, but i still feel empty through the day, like i am not fully with God the rest of the day.
can it be something i have done in my life? what is it? does anyone know?:(
Probably, an resolved problem with another, or you just have to ask from God a more closer walk.

[Angelo]

uhhh, Josh? I think that when Slack posted the come unto me verse, he was linking the scripture to the current discussion on music... saying that Christian music will give people peace and rest.

He wasn't telling people to come unto him. ;-)
hehehe..:)

[jtucker]

well i'm sorry if people get offended by my words, I made a mistake and misconstrued what theslack meant when he paraphrased scripture,and we as brothers and sisters should see that and encourage one another like joec encouraged me. but i am sorry for allowing an offense to be had by my lack of foreknowledge.

[Angelo]

well i'm sorry if people get offended by my words, I made a mistake and misconstrued what theslack meant when he paraphrased scripture,and we as brothers and sisters should see that and encourage one another like joec encouraged me. but i am sorry for allowing an offense to be had by my lack of foreknowledge.
Actually, I should be the one apologizing, sorry Bro Jtucker.
I should have studied more before posting. .:(

[jtucker]

oh hey don't worry about it we all make mistakes i am definilty no exception. just trust in the lord and seek ye first the kingdom of heaven. i encourage you to study things alittle better next time but don't worryabout it!

God Bless you

[Unregistered]

hey guys, sorry about my lack of specification... i read the first post on this forum and then skipped to the last page to comment. i will know better next time.
p.s. my goal is to be more Christ-like, but i surely wont try to take the place of Christ and tell people to come unto me for rest. :cowboy:

without Him i am nothing...

[jtucker]

Hey don't worry about it it's okay all is forgiven, i was the one that made the mistake and i apologize to you for that mistake

[Nate]

So a yahoo spider was browsing this thread. Couldn't help but add something to it.

How does the fact that China and Japan have the highest concentration of centurions (people who live past 100) fit in to your theory that people who believe in God live longer?
Most of these centurions follow Taoism or Shinto.

[Babyruth]

I would say it's because they live a healthy lifestyle. They don't eat junk food and they exercise way more.

[AgapZoe]

Oh yes,those guys really do live a healthy life...now for example,looking at the Taoism(though hard to define and all that)-but looking at it as a religious sect or practice,they got the three jewels/treasures,beliefs,precepts,Wu Wei and Rituals. As Christians we understand very well that God's the creator if the Universe. We also believe that There's power in the Power of Belief which is Faith,right? We also know that the only Force Holding the universe together is God's Divine Love..right? Ok,these guys..the Taoists do have a set of beliefs,and I just came across the infor below and I thought I should share it with you guys,it's sorta enlightening and yeah,just good to know...i.e

-The Tao:-caused the creation of the universe.
-is the energy that flows through all life
-surrounds everyone in the form of nature.
-Everyone must observe and reflect on nature to find enlightenment.
-An adherent’s goal is to become one with the Tao.
-Everything in the universe is the Tao.
-The many gods are manifestations of the one Tao.
-Everything is cyclical.
-Each person must nurture the Tao or 3 bodily energies (Jing, Ch’i, Shen) through activities such as exercise and meditation.
-One should be prudent and think before acting.
-People are inherently good.
-Follow the art of wu wei: let nature take its course.
-Practice detachment.

-All followers are called upon to develop these three characteristics:

.>Compassion / Love
.>Simplicity / Moderation
.>Patience / Humility


The Three Jewels (or Treasures) of the Tao are: compassion, simplicity, and patience. Alternate translations render them as Love, Moderation, Humility. They are derived from the following from the Tao Te Ching:

"I have just three things to teach:
simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and in thoughts,
you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world"

Taoist philosophy teaches the following central precepts:

-From the Tao arises (one unified force or path from where all things in the universe arise), yin and yang-the dual nature of all manifestations of the Tao.
-Act in accordance with one's nature.
-One should find the correct perspective for one's mental activities until one finds a deeper source for guiding one's interaction with the universe .
-Desire created through the influence of society's artificial values hinders one's ability to understand The Way . In essence, most Taoists feel that humans should appreciate life, as it is according to each individual's capabilities, rather than desire a life predicated by the demands of society, that is beyond their reach. Desires are the source of expectations and the disconnect betweens one's expectations and the reality of one's life is a source of suffering.
-Oneness: By realizing that all things (including ourselves) have their origin in the Tao, we come to see all things as they are, and ourselves as a simple part of the current moment. This understanding of oneness leads us to an appreciation of life's events and our place within them as simple miraculous moments which "simply are" in the present.
-Duality, the opposition and combination of the Universe's two basic principles of Yin and Yang (Simplified Chinese) forms a large part of the basic philosophy. Some common associations with Yang and Yin, respectively, include: male and female; light and dark; active and passive and motion and stillness.
-Taoists believe that neither side out-ranks or surpasses the other; indeed, neither can exist without the other, as they form equal aspects of the whole. They ultimately provide an artificial distinction based on our perceptions, so only our perception of them really changes.

-Taoism sees existence as an interplay between three elements: the individual; society and its artificial values; the principles of Nature. In order to lead a contented life, the individual must understand the principles of Nature, the values of the social structure in which he must forge a life, and his own internal wants and needs. According to Taoism, what is good and bad varies over time and between societal groups, therefore, unlike the principles that guide Nature, the values of a given society are arbitrary and artificial.

-Much of the essence of Tao lies in the art of wu wei (action through inaction: taking no-action is, in itself, an action). However, this does not mean "sit doing nothing and wait for everything to fall into your lap". It describes a practice of accomplishing things through proper action by knowing when to and when not to act according to an individual's personal capabilities/limitations and desires, as well as knowing your place in the overall scheme of things (Tao).

-Wu Wei works once we understand our true desires and capabilities as opposed to those we adopt for various reasons, and our place in nature. In other words, by trusting our nature rather than our mental contrivances, we can find contentment without a life of constant striving against forces real and imagined.

-Wu Wei has been metaphorically described as flowing down the river of Tao, while maintaining the ability to steer correctly.

-Though the Tao Te Ching or Zhuang Zi do not mention specific religious aspects, as Taoism spread through the population of China it became mixed with other, pre-existing beliefs, such as the Five Elements theory, alchemy, ancestor worship, and magic spells. Taoist philosophies also directly influenced Chinese Chan Buddhism. Eventually elements of Taoism combined with elements of Buddhism and Confucianism in the form of Neo-Confucianism. Attempts to procure greater longevity formed a frequent theme in Taoist alchemy and magic, with many extant spells and potions for that purpose. Many early versions of Chinese medicine had roots in Taoist thought, and modern Chinese medicine as well as Chinese martial arts still in many ways deal with Taoist concepts such as Tao, Qi, and the balance of Yin and Yang. Many of these spells and alchemic formulas can be found in the later Taoist text known as the Daozang (Taoist Canon). This was produced many years after the original core texts of Tao Te Ching and Zhuang Zi and was more of a collection of many commentaries and elaborations by numerous masters over the years.

In addition, an organized Taoist community formed, originally established in the Eastern Han dynasty by Zhang Daoling. Many sects evolved over the years, but most trace their authority to Zhang Daoling in one way or another. For example, the original followers of the Shangqing school in the 4th century were ordained priests in Zhang Daoling's tradition. The Taoist churches incorporated entire pantheons of deities, including Lao Zi, Zhang Daoling, the Yellow Emperor, the Jade Emperor, Lei Gong (the God of Thunder) and others. Two major Taoist churches function today: the Zhengyi Sect (evolved from a sect founded by Zhang Daoling) and Quanzhen Taoism (founded by Wang Chongyang).

->and as for the Shinto:
Shinto(神道) is the native religion of Japan and was once its state religion. It involves the worship of kami (神), gods. Some kami are local and can be regarded as the spiritual being/spirit or genius of a particular place, but others represent major natural objects and processes: for example, Amaterasu, the Sun goddess, or Mount Fuji. Shinto is an animistic belief system. The word Shinto was created by combining two kanji: "神" (shin), meaning gods or spirits (the character can also be read as "kami" in Japanese), and "道" (tō), meaning a philosophical way or path (the same character is used for the Chinese word Tao). As such, Shinto is commonly translated as "the Way of the Gods".

[joris]

seems that's just how darkness usually does, mixing truth with lies, and making truth so anonymous that it's hard to see truth in it;
anyway the "you have to do it yourself" and the "man is inheritly good" makes just too obvious it's darkness and world, telling what most people want to hear, such that they would not see it's lies

[AgapZoe]

yep,you're right bro. satan's got a way of doing it...that ''if it were possible,he would deceive the very elect''-but since ''the Bride wasn't predestined for a fall,She just can't be deceived and so,thanks to His Amazing Grace,we know/have the Truth'' :-)

[Benoni]

So a yahoo spider was browsing this thread. Couldn't help but add something to it.

How does the fact that China and Japan have the highest concentration of centurions (people who live past 100) fit in to your theory that people who believe in God live longer?
Most of these centurions follow Taoism or Shinto.

Hey,
Maybe coz the centurions in Japan and China aint going nowhere and why the rush to go. God takes His children and the earlier the better!! Does it make sence??:confused:

[AgapZoe]

well,I think it's a witty comment on this whole idea!!! I see the sense...:-)