Girl living on her own, or rooming with someone (another girl, obviously)

[collegegirl]

So I have a very legitimate question:

If you knew a sister who moved out on her own, or with some other girl/sister, or was already living on her own, what would the thought process be?

The reason I posted this in the guy/girl section is because this affects more than just the girl. I've heard the opinion before that a sister is out from under her head when she moves out on her own, and in which case, a lot of guys I think would avoid her like the plague simply because of the initial look "she's on her own, and not living under her father's roof/father's head".

How many guys would actually take a look at her circumstances to make a correct judgement as to why she is living on her own?

What if her parents have died? What if her family is abusive? What if she comes from a large family and her father can't support everyone? What if she's going to school and there are no single sisters/widows who can take her in?

I'm not condoning sisters going out and living on their own, because yes, it does create opportunity for things to happen, which normally wouldn't occur when living in a family atmosphere, but I'm asking in real life. Sometimes things happen to where she ends up moving out.

Would you guys reject a girl simply because she's living on her own? Would you be scared because she'd have "an independent spirit"? Would you actually take the time to find out WHY she's living on her own?

Just because a girl's living with her father doesn't mean she's under her father's headship, so you can't give the canned answer in regards to that. I've known plenty of girls who lived at home who were extremely rebellious, but there are sisters out there who have to live on their own, who would be perfectly willing and ready to serve under the headship of a husband. Very independent sisters, not with an independent attitude, but rather indepenent in the fact that they very much live on their own.

I'm not asking in the attitude of "girls are just as good as guys, girls should have the same rights as guys, girls should be allowed to do the same thing, liberty or bust" but rather would you have enough character to find out why? And just what the general thought is on the whole idea.

[EllyMae]

I would hope they would have enough character to find out why.

Look at my situation...

Being the only Christian at home is difficult at times. And normally I wouldn't plan on moving out until I get married, but what if I don't get married? I'm not going to live at home until I'm 30, in this bad atmosphere, just because I'm afraid people might think I have an "independent spirit". I would hope by the time I'm 30 I would be more independent anyhow... :D

[NeedGod]

I live alone, as most of you know. I know my pastor mentioned this one sunday how he doesn't understand how sisters can live alone and I got lots of hmph looks from people in church who know i live alone. The pastor immediately said there are obvious exceptions. Thing is, they didn't bother to find out why. I'm in a foreign country so it would be hectic and somewhat impossible and entirely unaffordable to take a four hour plane ride to South Africa every day for class. I could live with a family,but its not only inconveniencing for any family I'd choose, it would also be expensive for them.
Well, that said, its definitely not easy to live alone. The temptations are great and its hard to monitor oneself spiritually. But it can be done. Living as I do in a shared student house isn't any easier.The smoking,drinking,drug taking etc is horrible.But God can watch over someone. Now, if only the entire body of believers would refrain from automatically judging someone on the basis that they live alone, we might even go to heaven faster where we'll all live together. :P
I would however say if one is in a Christian home, there's no point in moving out. There are demons waiting out there. And living in a Christian home is awesome. I like to think The house is covered by the blood. Given a choice(which is what i obviously don't have right now), I would stay home till I am kicked out.

[leahmb]

I think it's another issue that comes down to motives. I had planned to move out by the time I was 25. My plan wasn't to flee my parent's headship, but to become more of my own person and have my own household.

[joris]

The reason I posted this in the guy/girl section is because this affects more than just the girl. I've heard the opinion before that a sister is out from under her head when she moves out on her own, and in which case, a lot of guys I think would avoid her like the plague simply because of the initial look "she's on her own, and not living under her father's roof/father's head".I never heard of that before. Silly me. :confused:

How many guys would actually take a look at her circumstances to make a correct judgement as to why she is living on her own?No clue; but don't bother, none of them are qualified for you to be their wife -- they first need to grow in His love -- Or should I say, "they need prayer"...

Would you guys reject a girl simply because she's living on her own? Would you be scared because she'd have "an independent spirit"? Would you actually take the time to find out WHY she's living on her own?If you care, and it's such an issue, and you love her, it might well be good to just honestly ask and let her express her heart. I dunno; never thought about whether that'd be an issue

I live alone, as most of you know. I know my pastor mentioned this one sunday how he doesn't understand how sisters can live alone and I got lots of hmph looks from people in church who know i live alone.I find that so sad :(

[NeedGod]

Please pray for my roommates. I live in a house with two guys and three girls and one of the guys told me today that he's got psychological problems and has been seeing a psychiatrist for a while now. He's deep into drugs and i think he does them to forget his troubles.i feel a burden for him cause he's one of the nicest guys ever. And he's not racist or anything(not even in a covert way as most white South Africans are). Yeah, so thats besides the point but figured i'd ask you all to pray for him.

[AgapZoe]

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Good thread Martha.

[HotShot53]

I would hope the guy takes the time to know why the girl is living on her own... it could be a sign of rebeliousness, but it might not be... no way of knowing until you know the girl. If the guy doesn't know the girl well enough to know why she's living by herself, then he wouldn't know her enough to court her anyway, so it woudln't matter much, would it? ;)

[shasta-daisy]

I don't think it is usually rebellious for unmarried women to live on their own unless they just want to get out of their parents rule and live wild. Why should grown women continue to live with their parents? I won't live with my parents forever if I do not get married or whatever. Right now I am living at home, but I don't make much over minimum wage and have no benefits. I barely have money left over after bills living at home. I wouldn't make it on my own without government assistance, which is ok, but that is not what I want. SO until I get a better paying job or get do get married, I'm with my parents. But that's why I went to college, I plan on advancing in my career. Maybe I'll get an assistant director position one day. Anyway, I think it's all right for women to live on their own, and men should not be quick to judge.
Also, what about unmarried men living on their own......... shouldn't this be a two way street? They also would be out from under their parent's rule before they are married. What about the men?

[NeedGod]

If the guy doesn't know the girl well enough to know why she's living by herself, then he wouldn't know her enough to court her anyway, so it woudln't matter much, would it? ;)
i so totally agree with you here. And dear girly, whoever you are, you don't want to court a guy who is quick to judge.
Shasta, guys and girls are totally different so it can never be a two way thing. Girls for starters are easily deceived according to the bible so its harder for them. Then guys are to be head of their homes one day. They need the independence streak more than girls ever will. They need to learn to be heads. As believers, we can't say its a two way thing. The girl is always under a headship all her life. Her dad's then her husband. Not saying moving out is wrong to move out, but just trying to mention why its not a two way thing. For a guy to move out is a simple deal. A girl needs to think it through more deeply than that. I live alone and spiritually,its not the best. At home,no matter how stressfull, there's the blood, The rules etc which keep me there.
So anyone can move out if they so long to, but for girls, it takes more thinking about and consulting with parents especially father before doing it. Remember always, our dads are our heads until we get married. To be honoured and respected :)
aside from the babbling, I wouldn't advice anyone to move in alone. Moving in with another believer would help a great deal. I know i would really love the encouragement I could get if I lived with believers. So i'd say room with someone else if you can.

[AgapZoe]

Well, you have said pretty much of what I'd have said.

In my opinion, rebelliousness is relative; what are you rebelling from? Is it pressure on your emotional health? Spiritual? Social? or which one? At the end of the day, your motive really counts. If you are not breaking the word in any way, I don't see anything wrong about it.

Of course fellowship is great and all. I have stayed on my own since I was 18 coz of conveniency in terms of school,etc. I know what I mean when I say you really do not have to stay with anyone. You can stay on your own, and still be under the leadership of your dad. But what if you do not have one? Your guardians of course will do. But then it comes down to where you have none of the above. You stay alone, and your Chief guide will be the Holy Ghost. Really, headship is thus saith the Lord for ladies, and I will not dispute that fact. Personally, many things may make me want to stay alone. So, if a guy likes me and goes ahead and judges me for staying alone wihtout finding out why first, he really doesn't deserve having me in the first place. DJ has pretty much summed it up in his statement down there. I have my own personal reasons as to why at times I choose to stay alone. Now none of those reasons is rebeliousness, and I know none of them is against the word. So, anything else outside that, I really don't care what the world has to say. Unless SMTH tells me 'that may Be God talking to you thru that person', I just let it pass by). People will always talk anyhow. :)

[joris]

Also, what about unmarried men living on their own......... shouldn't this be a two way street? They also would be out from under their parent's rule before they are married. What about the men?Funny, had to think of genesis 2 there...

[BroTrevor]

Also, what about unmarried men living on their own......... shouldn't this be a two way street? They also would be out from under their parent's rule before they are married. What about the men?

Uhm... Nope it shouldn't be. Biblically, it's not.

I wasn't under the headship of my father after I left home.


I CORINTHIANS 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


Even if a girl is not living at home, she's still under a man's headship.

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I'm sure not everybody will like that one.

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That being said, I'm ok with girls being out on their own, if you are looking for my opinion. It actually impresses me some when girls don't just sit around the house and pine away waiting for a guy to come along.

Anyhoo....

[NeedGod]

True, but i'd have to say a young girl with raging hormones she hasn't yet learnt to control has no place moving out of home. They're safer under their parents roof. Not entirely safe, but safer.

[shasta-daisy]

Uhm... Nope it shouldn't be. Biblically, it's not.

I wasn't under the headship of my father after I left home.


I CORINTHIANS 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


Even if a girl is not living at home, she's still under a man's headship.

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I'm sure not everybody will like that one.

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That being said, I'm ok with girls being out on their own, if you are looking for my opinion. It actually impresses me some when girls don't just sit around the house and pine away waiting for a guy to come along.

Anyhoo....

ok, I get what you are saying.....I think I was confused when the term was first used in this thread. But anyway, yeah man is woman's head, but men and women are both under their parent's rule when they are home.... you have to live by their rules and if you move out, it's your own decision the way that you live.... man or woman.... I guess was my point. I personally am currently living by my mother's rules since my father has no rules... he's just like whatever. He was Baptist and has attended our church but has never really professed to believe the message... but anyway, even though my father is the head of the house, my mother sets the "rules to live by" because she has to.... my father does not, he doesn't care beyond "Don't smoke or drink"

[joris]

He was Baptist and has attended our church but has never really professed to believe the message... but anyway, even though my father is the head of the house, my mother sets the "rules to live by" because she has to.... my father does not, he doesn't care beyond "Don't smoke or drink"And do you believe she's doing right there?

At times some wordings sound like he still should be the authority. So she's out of line, as much as he is, because he is; which is totally understandable, but that doesn't help anything. Her filling in for him, instead of encouraging him to take the place, will actually take away any motivation, or reason, for him to change, for him to take the position you claim he should have taken.
Enough theory. Pray if anything I wrote in there makes any sence, and forgive him (your father) and try and find ways to respect him. Try not to look down upon him. And pray for wisdom for your mother. Not as if it's easy for a wife to know, how to handle, how to respond, as your father is lacking in some area. ( ==Don't we all lack in some area? ==)

[NeedGod]

Joris, I believe she meant that the mum makes the biblical rules to live by. I think your criticism might be hurtful to her.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the mum making the rules in this case. The children need to learn about God and the mum does that and sets the rules in that sector. The dad can still be head of the home even in a situation like that.
anyhow, back to the topic at hand. What do you people think of a guy living at home? How long should a guy stay home before moving out?

[shasta-daisy]

thanks, NeedGod. Appreciate it.

[NeedGod]

I don't think Joris meant it badly however. Just a slip like we all have. So well, what do people think, should guys move out earlier and start creating their independent lives before marriage or should they stick at home where their moms can do their laundry till they're married and they can replace mom with wife?

[collegegirl]

So well, what do people think, should guys move out earlier and start creating their independent lives before marriage or should they stick at home where their moms can do their laundry till they're married and they can replace mom with wife?
umm....I'm not marrying a guy to become his mom!

I know I DEFINATELY prefer them to start creating their independent life atleast a few months before I would get married. I mean, atleast they need to experience living on their own, paying their own bills, etc. I don't mind their mom doing their laundry, but good grief! Even my brothers iron their own clothes! I'll expect to iron his clothes when I marry him, but if I'm gone for a weekend or a week or something for some reason, I don't want him to have to have his mom come in, or have to go back home simply because he can't take care of himself.

You know what I find disturbing...is that the only guys who have posted on this thread...are Joris and Bro T. None of the other guys have. It's been mainly girls. :ng_thumbd

[marichino_freedom]

lol....i didn't notice that! didn't dj post in here a little earlier?

i was fine with seth living at home until a few days before we got married. he was fairly independent. :D i've been doing his laundry for too long. but he irons....i am terrible at it.

as far as mothers making rules of the house....i see nothing wrong with it. even though the father is "the head of the house" the mother has every right to make rules in how to raise their children. it's not as if she has to just sit back and remain silent and not do anything.....good grief! you better believe i have a say in stuff....and will when it comes to our future child.......and i know seth completely appreciates my input.

[AlanaH]

I have a standing offer to live at home until I'm either married or 30...which ever comes first. :) Although, if I ever moved away, I would like to maybe share a place with another girl friend. I couldn't stand living completely by myself.

[Jezz]

You know what I find disturbing...is that the only guys who have posted on this thread...are Joris and Bro T. None of the other guys have. It's been mainly girls. :ng_thumbd

I replied... and my reply is gone now so I guess it got deleted? *shrug*

As for guys moving out before marraige well... the cost of housing in Australia where I live is enormous (because everyone wants to live here!) so there is no way I could afford a mortgage unless I live at home a few years after Uni finishes and save up. The only thing that would make me move out before then is if I were to get married.

I already wash and iron my own clothes, cook dinner sometimes, I prepare my own lunch for uni, I clean my own room and sometimes help clean up the house. I can take care of myself.

[NeedGod]

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I already wash and iron my own clothes, cook dinner sometimes, I prepare my own lunch for uni, I clean my own room and sometimes help clean up the house. I can take care of myself.

I agree with MArtha, but trust me girly, most guys expect to trade mommy for wifey. Choose wisely. However, be careful not to let the modern independent streak get in where you want to share your wifely duties by force with your husband. You can be a good wife and be a companion at the same time

[JMG]

most guys expect to trade mommy for wifey.

Really? I for one do not expect to trade mommy for wifey...
Sounds horrible!

[jordancpeterson]

I would hope the guy takes the time to know why the girl is living on her own... it could be a sign of rebeliousness, but it might not be... no way of knowing until you know the girl. If the guy doesn't know the girl well enough to know why she's living by herself, then he wouldn't know her enough to court her anyway, so it woudln't matter much, would it?

Ditto! I don't think I could answer this much better. :) It all depends really. I guess it's to broad of a question to ask specifically. Frankly the first posts sounds a lot like CT's rant the other day. ;) :peep:

Trading mom for honey? Heh... no thanks! I'm still keeping my mommy! :laugh: :harhar1:

I do iron my clothes, sew on my own buttons and I'd wash my own clothes too (but my sisters happen to do it, although us boys assist them with it). We do help out quite a bit more in the kitchen and around the home keeping it clean. Granted I could do more on keeping the yard and exterior of the house in better shape.

If you knew a sister who moved out on her own, or with some other girl/sister, or was already living on her own, what would the thought process be?

I guess the question would be why did she move out in the first place? What are the specifics of the situation? I know a few people would tend to have a pretty hard stance on a sister moving away from home (for almost any reason, except for the very unusual rare situation, which I can't think of any at the moment where I actually thought it was a great and wonderful thing, maybe 'ok' but not great or super!).

[jordancpeterson]

The reason I posted this in the guy/girl section is because this affects more than just the girl. I've heard the opinion before that a sister is out from under her head when she moves out on her own, and in which case, a lot of guys I think would avoid her like the plague simply because of the initial look "she's on her own, and not living under her father's roof/father's head".

I'd tend to make a first judgment to some degree but that wouldn't keep me from finding out why they are in the situation they are in (as much as possible).


How many guys would actually take a look at her circumstances to make a correct judgement as to why she is living on her own?

What if her parents have died? What if her family is abusive? What if she comes from a large family and her father can't support everyone? What if she's going to school and there are no single sisters/widows who can take her in?

If her parents have died, no problem. I don't know of any sisters where their parents have died though.

Same for an abusive family. Haven't had any personal experience with seeing that type of situation.

A father not being able to support his large family...? In my opinion it should be the opposite. The daughter should stay and help and be benefit and blessing to the family (don't get me started on this one!!!). Teamwork and synergy can't be beat as well as the blessing that comes with being a blessing to her parents and siblings!

And the school issue... heh... you don't want to hear what I think of a girl going to college/U... I'm not super keen on it, but would it make me walk away from a a girl? No. Not necessarily. It's a whole different worldview that I have on this though and it would take a bit to explain. In short I'm not a huge fan of any formalized education in the traditional sense (guy or girl). Don't get me wrong. It has it's place but it's been overused, and depended on as a cure all or the norm, when we should really be looking at what it's doing to our children and the whole purpose of it in the first place!

Anywho... (to barrow from a great statesman!) :D

[Jezz]

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lol!

With friends like Esther, who needs a message matchmaking site. I'm sure she has two lists written down somewhere; one of single guys and the other of single girls.

[shasta-daisy]

I'd tend to make a first judgment to some degree but that wouldn't keep me from finding out why they are in the situation they are in (as much as possible).




If her parents have died, no problem. I don't know of any sisters where their parents have died though.

Same for an abusive family. Haven't had any personal experience with seeing that type of situation.

A father not being able to support his large family...? In my opinion it should be the opposite. The daughter should stay and help and be benefit and blessing to the family (don't get me started on this one!!!). Teamwork and synergy can't be beat as well as the blessing that comes with being a blessing to her parents and siblings!

And the school issue... heh... you don't want to hear what I think of a girl going to college/U... I'm not super keen on it, but would it make me walk away from a a girl? No. Not necessarily. It's a whole different worldview that I have on this though and it would take a bit to explain. In short I'm not a huge fan of any formalized education in the traditional sense (guy or girl). Don't get me wrong. It has it's place but it's been overused, and depended on as a cure all or the norm, when we should really be looking at what it's doing to our children and the whole purpose of it in the first place!

Anywho... (to barrow from a great statesman!) :D

why do you have a problem w/ women going to college? I agree some majors are more for men. But we need teachers and nurses and you can't hardly pay men to teach below highschool level becase of low pay rate. I do think that unless the husband has no problem (and the woman isn't taking a man's job) or if the family needs more money, that a woman shouldn't work after she gets married; she should take care of the household. But what is wrong with unmarried woman getting a degree and taking on certain "women" professions?

[NeedGod]

lol!

With friends like Esther, who needs a message matchmaking site. I'm sure she has two lists written down somewhere; one of single guys and the other of single girls.
gasp, how did you know? You've been peeking through my stuff? Stay out of my stuff I tell you! STAY OUT! (I was going after Jordan's advertisement down there where he lists his petty achievements, but now you've gone and spoilt it. Lol)

now, back to Jordan. You don't approve of college? I agree with you. I think its pointless and people rely on it too much. Sisters especially should avoid college at all costs because it is more unnecessary for them. That said, I'm going to do my masters and possibly my doctorate. Oh, close your mouths, i'll explain. I live in Africa, not the US of A. Does that explain it? Here, without education, one is nothing. Most jobs for people without a good education can barely sustain a family. Most sisters in our church back in Kenya work in some way to help support their families. Still, thats not an excuse for education. However, I'll finish my Psychology degree and see how God leads me from there. In the meantime, i'm praying I don't acquire an overly Independent streak

[jordancpeterson]

why do you have a problem w/ women going to college?

I have a general problem with 'most' people going to college. Last I checked about 50% of people are women. ;) Why do I have a problem with 'most' people going to college? In short: it has caused more problems in our society then it has helped (I believe within the Message and out). There is a time and place for it but it's not something that I think every young person needs to be seeking.

Let's back up a bit here. What is the number one reason why parents send their children to college? Because they don’t know what else to do with them. But is this a good reason to spend $60,000 to send your child a thousand miles away from home for a four-year journey through Babylon? The sad truth is that many of the same parents who were concerned enough to send their children to private school or to homeschool them or to take some serious interest in their education out of biblical conviction regarding both the content and methodology of education, abandon this conviction when their child turns 18. For the believer, making a decision about college must take into account what the purpose and methods of education are as defined by scripture.

Why are we going to college in the first place? Is it biblical what we are doing in the first place? Is it what God wants us to do? What does God want us to do? Does a perspective college student sit down and ask, “God what degree should I pursue?” Or are they asking “Lord, what would you have your servant to do in life? What do you want me to do for you Lord? Where do you want me to go? What is my mission and purpose in life?” Are we just following our interests in what we want to do? Or have we truly sought the Lord in where we are headed? Once the Lord tells us what His purpose is for our lives then we can proceed with whether college fits into His plan. I venture to say it doesn’t fit into the plan the majority of the time.

But we need teachers and nurses and you can't hardly pay men to teach below highschool level becase of low pay rate.

We need a lot more mothers that work at a lot lower pay then teachers! We have got much larger problem then not being able to find teachers for the kids out there. The kids are becoming rebellious, hateful, lazy, unmotivated and disrespectful to God, family, teachers, and everyone in general. Children shouldn’t be treated as cattle or rats in this rat race! Parents need to take the lead in teaching their kids to love God, love their family, love to work, love life and to grow in character. Public education is all but doing that!

Go to downtown Chicago tomorrow and watch all the big rats going to work. Then go down to the nearest school and watch all the little rats get off the yellow rat buses and put into a governmental system where everyone just becomes another number! Starting to sound like the Soviet Union!

The most successful and best social system out there is the Christian family! No government could keep up with the social responsibilities that the family meets on an everyday basis! The amount of money, time and energy that is saved alone could never be paid for by the government much less them expecting to fix ruined lives, families and to seek out the lost and dying.

Adultery in the work place is one serious problem (whether it gets physical or is completely a mind battle). You want to let those spirits tug at your mind all day long? It is a rampant problem!

We have this idea that the State should take care of the elderly. Which is completely unbiblical. If the biblical view and principle was followed I’m guessing we’d have plenty of medical staff to handle the needs we have. The burden would be greatly reduced on the medical staff that the world currently has, that’s for sure!

or if the family needs more money

Here is a little statistic from Larry Burkett in his issue of How To Manage Your Money (May 15, 1988 Issue 126).

“Approximately 65% of the wives in America work at least a 40 hour job outside the home. Their average take home pay is $740 per month. After child care, transportation, work-related clothing and eating out, they net approximately $370. In net wages, they work for approximately $2.30 an hour.”

Just ask yourself the question. Does that make any sense at all? I mean that’s just plain old nutty! That’s wacky! But nobody is doing the math!

And by the way, we shouldn’t have to do the math because we have the Word of God. That should be sufficient. Women are to be keepers at home, honor and serve their husbands. That should be sufficient for us! But no! There are 10 million creative excuses to get around Titus 2, Proverbs 31 and the normative patterns of scripture! Oh they are magnificent! You have heard them all! They are truly wonderful creative excuses!

But you know, at the end of the day it’s not even practical! It tends to be an absolute failure. The Christian family is the most economically vital unit when we have children for the glory of God, and when we see the importance of the division of labor.

But what is wrong with unmarried woman getting a degree and taking on certain "women" professions?

And what is wrong with married men looking to attractive unmarried single girls as their primary day-time helpmeets. And what is wrong with ladies and wives spending the bulk of their day with a mission independent of their father/husband, or serving men other than their father/husband.

The assumption is that popular 21st Century educational, social and business lifestyles are historically normative and theologically neutral. That the Bible and Message doesn’t have much to say about all of this! We have developed more than a few beliefs that the postmodern work and family ethic is normative! When it hasn’t been until the last century!

Some of the assumptions of the Postmodern Family are; children are an economic burden, delegation of children to others is the rule, gender distinctions are irrelevant or non-existent, daughters should be trained for singleness, family fragmentation is not only acceptable but it is desirable, financial security is the objective in selecting jobs and many more!!!

Another assumption of today’s postmodern thinking is that personal comfort is an objective! But the Bible nowhere teaches that personal comfort is an objective. Never does the Bible teach that comfort is the objective. It’s not even desirable all the time. Sometimes it’s downright dangerous! But this is the modern attitude. “Hey, I want my two cars, three televisions sets. I want to make sure I have my steak and everything right each night! I want to have the best meals. Everything has got to be geared at making me comfortable.”

By the way, the Bible speaks of rejoicing, it speaks of feasting, it speaks of all these wonderful things; but it doesn’t teach us that comfort is a value that we are to pursue. And we need to understand the difference between rejoicing in the fruit of our labor versus making comfort a character value that we place very high in our list of what we should pursue. And by the way, the normative reason we (Americans) go into debt is for comfort pleasures.

The fragmentation and hyper-individualism we have is rendering the family and church weak in society!

I want to challenge you all to not accept the so called reality of the day and age we live in but to see if what we are doing is biblically foundational! Yes, there are exceptions to all of this. But they are the norm! They aren’t a standard operating procedure! They aren’t on the checklist! Only under abnormal conditions should these paganistic, God dishonoring, unbiblical exceptions be looked at!

Let me know when you are ready for more. ;)

[Babyruth]

I don't know about where you live, but here, if you don't go to college, or at least trade school or community college, you'll end up flipping burgers or living on welfare or doing some other not so great job that pays barely enough to survive on. Sadly, our age has now become one where the good jobs require a college education, especially in smaller areas where there are fewer jobs. It has become almost a requirement to go to college, or get some kind of further education in order to get a decent paying job. Now, I know this is not true everywhere, nor true for everyone. However, I'd say it's a lot more than 50% of good jobs require further education, and for a guy to provide for a wife and family, most of them need some kind of further education. Otherwise, he won't be able to provide for them, and that's not responsible. Again, not all jobs are like that, and not everyone needs further education. But, sadly, in this day and age, this is now a minimum requirement.

If you're privileged enough to not have to take further education for a job that pays well and you like, and is in God's will, then good for you. But, this is not always possible. Just because you're a Christian does not mean you shouldn't go to college. I don't like it when people use this excuse not to go. Being a Christian makes you more responsible to provide for your family, and that usually means college, so deal with it, pray about it, and follow God's plan, not your own thoughts and ideas. And I mean that in both ways. Don't just go to college because everyone else is doing it, and don't not go, just because you think it's sinful to do so.

And most of all, pray about it! :)

[Skirty]

I'm going to go out a limb here and suggest that most girls don't live in a home where their parents gladly dole out money for eating, clothes, car, gas, insurance, entertainment... etc.
I live in an area that has a very high cost of living, working for 8.50 an hour at McDonalds just doesn't cut it.
If you want to make more than minimum wage here you HAVE to have some schooling... maybe that isn't 'bibically' right, but it's the age we live in.

[marichino_freedom]

i absolutely agree with ruth and krista. it is an absolute struggle sometimes EVEN with making $9.75 an hour! The ONLY reason I did not get the title "Project Manager" for my department is BECAUSE i do not have my Bachelor's degree yet. But I am doing EVERYTHING the job entails. I just do not get the title and pay with it.......which seems a tad unfair. But I'm dealing with it and still working towards my Bachelor's so i CAN have the title and the pay.

And to top it all off, I am working OVER 40 hours a week now, to get time and a half....so I'm bringing work home with me. I want Seth and I to have a good life. He wants the same. We want to travel, and get to fellowship with other believers. So we work.

What could be wrong with craving knowledge and wanting to learn more? King Solomon prayed to God for more wisdom/knowledge! God admired that in him.

What could be wrong with wanting to make ourselves good, well-rounded, productive, Christian citizens? You can't sit back and expect all your needs (or wants) to be handed to you. God does his part and we are expected to do ours. And part of our duties IS to take care of ourselves and our families.

I didn't come from a home where "money was handed out"....from the age of 16, I bought everything I needed (clothes, toiletries, or anything else), I bought my own car with my own money that I earned, I paid for my own insurance. And it felt wonderful to do it myself. I appreciated everything I had so much more because I had worked for it.

I have been working since the DAY I turned 16. There has been maybe a few months total that I haven't worked since then. I balanced 2 jobs when I was in high school.

I think that if your husband is ok with it and you're ok with it and you want to make yourself something, or at least chip in with the monthly bills, then there is nothing wrong with it. Nor do I think it's wrong to further your education. I pray that I NEVER stop learning! Why would I want to just "settle"?

[NoahL]

What could be wrong with craving knowledge and wanting to learn more?

My very first thought when I read this was... You could ask Eve that question.

Just sayin'.

[NeedGod]

Jordan, I'm going to say, your points are extremely in line with the message and the bible. And I would say it'd be great if we could have a situation where we could actually stay home and take care of kids. If I get a husband who earns enough for me to stay home, I might, potential doctorate and all. I admit i'll probably want to do research, lecture and teach pre school but all these are not time consuming. Take a case however where I don't get any of the above jobs. My parents after retirement might not be able to afford to keep me. My dad is approaching that age. If I don't get married, and if I hadn't done college, i'd have been stuck being someone's househelp or maid in Kenya, earning less than 70 dollars(that is US dollars) per month. That is kinda low and it'd be extremely hard to keep oneself up with that, let alone people who might depend on me. Do you see how it becomes impossible not to get a university education? And what more, even young graduates in Kenya earn at first about 250dollars per month. And thats on the higher side. With a wife who doesn't work, the kids might never go to school or live a remotely comfortable life. I know you have very strong points Jordan. But you speak as a comfortable western individual from a very comfortable point of view. Some people(yes, even some people there in US)would love to but can't afford the luxury of not working. And to work, and earn anything, one needs college, hence my point.
I'm afraid however that at times sisters who can afford not to work still do just so they can be in line with the new trend. Thats dangerous and could be harmful spiritually. Careful there girls. If I could afford it, I wouldn't. For girls are made to be homemakers, Companions, mothers. Don't stray too far from your calling, even in your choice of degree etc. Pray for God's leading.

[marichino_freedom]

My very first thought when I read this was... You could ask Eve that question.

Just sayin'.


very true.

but God hasn't told US not to learn. some of the best scientists were christian.

Some of the Most Influential, Most Famous Scientist who were Christians
Scientists listed in both Scientists of Faith (Christians) and also in one of the general books above (The Scientific 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present, etc.) These individuals could be considered among history's most influential and famous scientists, who also happen to have been devout Christians of various denominations:

Roger Bacon
Johannes Kepler
Johannes Baptista van Helmont
Blaise Pascal
Robert Boyle
Anton van Leeuwenhoek
Carolus Linnaeus
Leonhard Euler
John Dalton
Michael Faraday
John Frederick William Herschel
Matthew Fontaine Maury
James Prescott Joule
Gregor Mendel
William Thomson, Lord Kelvin
James Clerk Maxwell
George Washington Carver
Arthur Stanley Eddington

[marichino_freedom]

but now we are officially off topic.

bad me.

[collegegirl]

No, this is excellent...please continue!

I'm very interested to hear what everyone has to say. I'm not inserting my opinion at all...I'm interested to hear what everyone else has to say.

Though I would have to say, everyone has something very good to input. Please...keep dialoging.


<sits back and listens>

[NeedGod]

Ok, but will someone please put in a quote or something in here. Everyone is giving their opinion. I would like to have The Prophet's opinion, on both issues. The living alone issue and the working issue.

[joris]

Why are we going to college in the first place? Is it biblical what we are doing in the first place? Is it what God wants us to do? What does God want us to do? Does a perspective college student sit down and ask, “God what degree should I pursue?” Or are they asking “Lord, what would you have your servant to do in life? What do you want me to do for you Lord? Where do you want me to go? What is my mission and purpose in life?” Are we just following our interests in what we want to do? Or have we truly sought the Lord in where we are headed? Once the Lord tells us what His purpose is for our lives then we can proceed with whether college fits into His plan. I venture to say it doesn’t fit into the plan the majority of the time.You make it sound so simple; you are incredibly blessed if you can talk like that with Father, and get clear answers. I really wish He gave me that too. Guess it'll come as I grow in faith, trusting?
But maybe you're also picturing it a little bit too easy now.
What could be wrong with craving knowledge and wanting to learn more? King Solomon prayed to God for more wisdom/knowledge! God admired that in him.True, but wisdom really isn't the same as knowledge.

[leahmb]

very true.

but God hasn't told US not to learn. some of the best scientists were christian.

Some of the Most Influential, Most Famous Scientist who were Christians
Scientists listed in both Scientists of Faith (Christians) and also in one of the general books above (The Scientific 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present, etc.) These individuals could be considered among history's most influential and famous scientists, who also happen to have been devout Christians of various denominations:

Roger Bacon
Johannes Kepler
Johannes Baptista van Helmont
Blaise Pascal
Robert Boyle
Anton van Leeuwenhoek
Carolus Linnaeus
Leonhard Euler
John Dalton
Michael Faraday
John Frederick William Herschel
Matthew Fontaine Maury
James Prescott Joule
Gregor Mendel
William Thomson, Lord Kelvin
James Clerk Maxwell
George Washington Carver
Arthur Stanley Eddington

Just a RO-none of them are girls :-p

[leahmb]

Now, if you've got a--a debt or something that you're trying to help your husband pay for, or something that you have to do that... Well, I think that's fine if you'll try to help him. And--and you live a lady. And I--I think it's hard. No man that's got good understanding wants his wife to get in a bunch, where there's a bunch of vulgar, dirty men and things like that. But if the woman has to get in that, I think that she ought to--her husband ought to know that she's a genuine Christian that can be trusted, a trustworthy woman.
But now, I--as to say that she shouldn't work, I--I don't know. See, there's no Scripture to back that up. I'm just--I'm just passing that opinion. But I think if a woman wants to work and she wants to work...

Now, I'm certainly against women working in these offices where all these businessmen, they carry on, tell them dirty jokes. And a nice, clean woman setting there, and all these smutty dirty things told around like that, I--I'm against that. I think you ought to come out from among such stuff as that.
But now, if a woman can hold herself as a--as a real lady and trying to help her husband do something to meet--some clothes for the kids to go to school, or--or pay off a bill, or something like that, and she wants to work till that's over... Now, this not the Lord, 'cause I don't have no Scripture for this. I'm just saying that'd be my opinion; but otherwise, I wouldn't think just 'cause she wants to work just to run around and have--or--more money to spend, run around, and run to barrooms, or drink, smoke, and carry on; I don't think she should do it. I think she should stay home, try to be a lady, and take care of her house.

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.2_ JEFF.IN COD SUNDAY_ 64-0823E

[BroTrevor]

Just a RO-none of them are girls :-p

That's because MOST Christians throughout history have been guys!!!

That list confirms it.

Christianity is about smart males.

Or did I twist logic farther than Mari's list did??

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The thoughts on my heart lately have been about getting closer to God. As Tony said once, I want to take it "to the next level".

How do we do that tho? And how does this relate to girls living away from home or having careers... well...

The way we take our walk that much closer to the Lord, is to become more empty. We sing "a vessel of honor for you, Lord". How do we do that?

Most of us think that it's in how we live our lives. I'm a vessel of honor because I <insert your own honorific thing you do>

But that isn't the case at all. Not one bit. God wants to fill EMPTY vessels...

EMPTY!

So don't go about your life, trying to live this Christian life, trying to live for God. Forget about it, and get close to Him. Have a real relationship with Him!!

Then, He'll show you whether college is what HE wants you to do.

Live the life.

[cdnjava]

TEACHING.ON.MOSES_ JEFF.IN V-14 N-4 SUNDAY_ 56-0513
22 I predicted that women would keep demoralizing and the nation would keep falling, and they'd keep hanging to mother, or like mother like that, till they become, a woman become an idol. And after a while, that America would be ruled by a woman. Mark it and see if it's not right. A woman will take the place of a President or something, of great, some high power in America.

When... I say this with respect, ladies. When a woman gets out of the kitchen, she's out of her place. That's right. That's where she belongs. Outside of that, she has no place. And now, I'm not hard on them, but I just tell what's the Truth and what the Bible. Used to be the man was the head of the house, but that was in Bible days. He isn't no more. He's the puppet, or he's the--or the babysitter or something. And now... No, they want to take care of a dog, practice birth control, and pack a little old dog around in their arms all the time, so you can run around all night.

I'm--I'm not talking about mother. God bless them. That's what holds the nation together now halfway, is a real, good, sacred, God-saved mother. That's right.

[Jezz]

Some of the Most Influential, Most Famous Scientist who were Christians
Scientists listed in both Scientists of Faith (Christians) and also in one of the general books above (The Scientific 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Scientists, Past and Present, etc.) These individuals could be considered among history's most influential and famous scientists, who also happen to have been devout Christians of various denominations:

Roger Bacon
Johannes Kepler
Johannes Baptista van Helmont
Blaise Pascal
Robert Boyle
Anton van Leeuwenhoek
Carolus Linnaeus
Leonhard Euler
John Dalton
Michael Faraday
John Frederick William Herschel
Matthew Fontaine Maury
James Prescott Joule
Gregor Mendel
William Thomson, Lord Kelvin
James Clerk Maxwell
George Washington Carver
Arthur Stanley Eddington

Where is Albert Einstein on that list though? I guess he wasn't a denominational Christian?. Anyway I thought he should be pretty prominent on that list for his beliefs and for his science.

I agree with what Bro T said.

When you were born again you didn't suddenly change how you lived your life because God handed you a list of rules to live by. You changed because you were led of the Spirit, you walked by faith and you surrendered yourself to His will! It's not about you and what you do! It's about Him in you!

[marichino_freedom]

Einstein was Jewish..... :D

[leahmb]

Einstein was Jewish..... :D

TRUE!!!!!!! :D

[JMG]

Einstein was Jewish..... :D


But he was a secular Jew. ;)

[marichino_freedom]

ya, he was great! but just not on that particular list that i copied off of somewhere....

[NeedGod]

Something about the quote cdnjava posted strikes a cord. What do you all think of that? Now as the other quote Leah put states, if there's debt, one can't do anything but work. But what about the ones who work just so they can make loads more to have fun with? Out of one's position just to make more and hence be richer? Not saying its wrong, just wondering what everyone thinks of that!

[marichino_freedom]

i guess i don't see anything wrong with wanting the extra money to be able to go and do things or to have nice things

[leahmb]

Something about the quote cdnjava posted strikes a cord. What do you all think of that? Now as the other quote Leah put states, if there's debt, one can't do anything but work. But what about the ones who work just so they can make loads more to have fun with? Out of one's position just to make more and hence be richer? Not saying its wrong, just wondering what everyone thinks of that!

I think a lot depends on if there are kids and their ages...I don't think the children should be 'neglected' (for lack of a better word) to get more money, even if you say the money is for the kids...kids need emotional support more than things.

[marichino_freedom]

if kids are in the picture, thats a totally different story. :) but i would still work. just not nearly as much. hopefully at something i went to school for......so they could get in on it and learn something!

[EllyMae]

There's a balance with nearly everything, including this. College isn't for everyone, and a career based off of a college education isn't for everyone either. In the Church Age book Bro. Branham talks about how the meaning of the church name also represents the characteristic of that church. And I think that our life is much the same way. We all have different wants, needs, and desires... and some require a college education and some do not. Some require the wife to work, and some do not. Everyone's life will be much different, but one thing we will all have in common, is always putting God first in our lives... lining up with the Word, and staying in His will. Like others have said before me, we should ask the Lord what HE wants for our lives. We shouldn't make a big deal out of women going to college, women having their own careers, or women living on their own... if it's God's will for them to do so, then that should be enough for us to accept. Just because it's not right for you, or the woman you're going to marry, doesn't mean it isn't right for them.

[Jezz]

There's a balance with nearly everything, including this. College isn't for everyone, and a career based off of a college education isn't for everyone either. In the Church Age book Bro. Branham talks about how the meaning of the church name also represents the characteristic of that church. And I think that our life is much the same way. We all have different wants, needs, and desires... and some require a college education and some do not. Some require the wife to work, and some do not. Everyone's life will be much different, but one thing we will all have in common, is always putting God first in our lives... lining up with the Word, and staying in His will. Like others have said before me, we should ask the Lord what HE wants for our lives. We shouldn't make a big deal out of women going to college, women having their own careers, or women living on their own... if it's God's will for them to do so, then that should be enough for us to accept. Just because it's not right for you, or the woman you're going to marry, doesn't mean it isn't right for them.

:applause:

I would give you a hundred greens if I could for that post... as it is I can't even give you one lol

What Elly said applies to far far more than just women working or women going to college, it applies to everything. Don't be worrying about "is this right?.. is that right?... is this wrong?" just submit yourself to God's will in all things. And just because something is God's will for you in your life it doesn't neccesarily follow that it will be God's will for somebody else in their life.

[jordancpeterson]

Someone sent me this quote today.

AS.I.THOUGHT.ON.MY.WAY CHATAUQUA.OH 59-0814
E-42 There's a burning bush here tonight to answer every brother away from a call of God. Think on your ways. The Holy Ghost is here to heal the sick, showing signs and wonders and miracles. Many of you people has wanted to be a Christian. Many of you has wanted to do something for God. And you've neglected it for the washtub, for a job out yonder in a factory somewhere.
Some of you women that ought to be home with your kids, reading the Bible to them. You got a job out yonder to make a extra dollar. Shame on you. God gave you a job; that's raise them children. Teach them the things of God. It's the truth. Think on your ways, woman. What will them dollars do? They'll ring like Judas Iscariot's did. Think on your ways and turn your foot to His testimonies, unto His Blood, unto His grace, unto His offer.
"As I thought on my ways," said David, "I turned my feet to thy testimony." Sure. Think on your ways as you go.

[marichino_freedom]

:applause:

I would give you a hundred greens if I could for that post... as it is I can't even give you one lol

What Elly said applies to far far more than just women working or women going to college, it applies to everything. Don't be worrying about "is this right?.. is that right?... is this wrong?" just submit yourself to God's will in all things. And just because something is God's will for you in your life it doesn't neccesarily follow that it will be God's will for somebody else in their life.


yes, i agree. elly, you said that so well. and i agree with what jezz said. what's right for one is not necessarily right for another.....

[HotShot53]

yes, i agree. elly, you said that so well. and i agree with what jezz said. what's right for one is not necessarily right for another.....

And yet, there are still standards... there are still some things that are wrong for everyone

[Jezz]

And yet, there are still standards... there are still some things that are wrong for everyone

And yet if everyone followed the will of God nobody would do those things that are wrong for everyone

[EllyMae]

And yet if everyone followed the will of God nobody would do those things that are wrong for everyone

I agree.

Something I think mothers should do is stay home and raise their children. If a woman chooses to work and send her kids off to day care instead... I wouldn't consider that lining up with the Word by any means. But I don't think someone in God's perfect will would do something "wrong" such as this.

However, marriage is not for everyone, and neither is having children. While I haven't felt led to go further in my education in hopes for a college educated career, I can understand why some girls would like to go to college, to prepare themselves if marriage shouldn't be for them. So that they're able to provide for themselves if they should have to.

[BroTrevor]

Some of you women that ought to be home with your kids, reading the Bible to them. You got a job out yonder to make a extra dollar. Shame on you. God gave you a job; that's raise them children. Teach them the things of God. It's the truth. Think on your ways, woman. What will them dollars do? They'll ring like Judas Iscariot's did. Think on your ways and turn your foot to His testimonies, unto His Blood, unto His grace, unto His offer.
"As I thought on my ways," said David, "I turned my feet to thy testimony." Sure. Think on your ways as you go.

Well, that aint much of a "if it's right for you" statement....

Lemme guess tho...that's was his opinion right? The excuse we whomp out if we really don't believe it or don't want to apply it to our lives.




And yet, there are still standards... there are still some things that are wrong for everyone


Amen brutha man.


If a woman chooses to work and send her kids off to day care instead... I wouldn't consider that lining up with the Word by any means. But I don't think someone in God's perfect will would do something "wrong" such as this.


Oooh ooh. I can see what's next. To get around this one...we'll create "Christian Day Care Centers" Where they teach your kid about God's Word so mommy can go make money, and still fulfill the letter of the quote.

Kinda like sisters who wear short skirts, and have long hair, and even tho they are dressed indecently, they still someone fit the "message standard"

bah!

:juggle:

(I know I know, I'm one of those self-righteous indignant fanatics...)

[NeedGod]

Something about brother T's post reminds me of the 'racial issues in marriage' thread. People only want to listen to the prophet when what he says fits into their little lives. If something doesn't quite go, its just his opinion. I think that just struck something in me. I find myself asking myself, am I actually compromising with some things because I don't take them seriously? Because they were too simply said? Just think of it! And Brother T, i absolutely think your brand of fanatism is delightful. Where do I sign up to be a fanatic.
And i must say my respect for Jordan has doubled. He knew he'd face lots of opposition but he came up here and stood for what he believed. Not everyone might agree with him,and maybe he's wrong in some things, but its just so awesome that someone has courage still to stand for whatever it is he believes

[Jezz]

Well, that aint much of a "if it's right for you" statement....

Lemme guess tho...that's was his opinion right? The excuse we whomp out if we really don't believe it or don't want to apply it to our lives.

*sigh*

In this thread we were talking about women working and women going to college, we aren't talking about mothers working. And nobody here has disagreed with that quote posted by Jordan either, in fact what Elly said agreed with it 100%.

Oooh ooh. I can see what's next. To get around this one...we'll create "Christian Day Care Centers" Where they teach your kid about God's Word so mommy can go make money, and still fulfill the letter of the quote.

Well people can get around anything if they want and those people are not walking pleasing to God. But the whole point of everything I've been trying to get across to you all is that while that is wrong, so is legalism, the fulfilling the letter of the law without fulfilling the spirit of it. Walking by rules and not by faith. Being led by not by the Spirit but by your own notions of right and wrong. Not be able to surrender your life fully to God because you've always got your own thoughts in there.

The end of the spectrum where everyone does whatever they please is wrong. The other end of the spectrum where everyone lives by rules and laws is just as wrong. Find the middle ground.

Love God, be led of the Spirit and walk by faith. Get the Word of God into your heart and you will be able to discern between right and wrong. The just shall live by their revelation.

[EllyMae]

Someone sent me this quote today.

AS.I.THOUGHT.ON.MY.WAY CHATAUQUA.OH 59-0814
E-42 There's a burning bush here tonight to answer every brother away from a call of God. Think on your ways. The Holy Ghost is here to heal the sick, showing signs and wonders and miracles. Many of you people has wanted to be a Christian. Many of you has wanted to do something for God. And you've neglected it for the washtub, for a job out yonder in a factory somewhere.
Some of you women that ought to be home with your kids, reading the Bible to them. You got a job out yonder to make a extra dollar. Shame on you. God gave you a job; that's raise them children. Teach them the things of God. It's the truth. Think on your ways, woman. What will them dollars do? They'll ring like Judas Iscariot's did. Think on your ways and turn your foot to His testimonies, unto His Blood, unto His grace, unto His offer.
"As I thought on my ways," said David, "I turned my feet to thy testimony." Sure. Think on your ways as you go.

I completely agree with Bro. Branham here. In this quote he is clearly speaking about mothers. Not unmarried women who do not have children (whom I was speaking of, and what the majority of this thread is about).

And yet, there are still standards... there are still some things that are wrong for everyone

So just to be clear... Do unmarried women have the same standards as married women?

[SisTrev]

So just to be clear... Do unmarried women have the same standards as married women?When it comes to being a true Christian then yes they do.

But there are different standards for a married woman to fullfill and a single woman to fullfill. A married woman has not only God to answer to and please, but she now has her husband and Kids if she's a mommy.

A single woman has only her dad if she's living at home and most of all God. But if she's living on her own, then God alone is who she answers to.

[SisTrev]

let me rephrase my last comment

A woman living own her own is still under her's father head until she gets married...according to the Bible. SO she still answers to her father and to God where as a married woman answers to her husband and to God.

I hope i didn't confuse anyone. SOrry if i did.

[EllyMae]

But there are different standards for a married woman to fullfill and a single woman to fullfill.

I agree. That's why I believe it's ok for single women to work or go to college if she chooses. (If she's following the leading of the Lord, that is.)

[shasta-daisy]

I always agree with the prophet. I do think I said this in the Racial thread, that even if it was his "opinion", I would respect his opinion and follow it as an example to live by. If I were married, I would totally stay at home and take care of the family. I think housewife is great. At the same time, I don't knock college for women. I go to college because I am a single woman and no I don't want to live at home when I'm 30 and I don't know when I will get married; I put that aspect of my life in the will of God also. There may be some point in my life where I will have to totally support myself. I do think there are diff standards for married or unmarried

[NeedGod]

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this post was to Martha, not Jezz. Lol. People seem to think i think Jeremy is a girl. Lol. Thats too funny. :lol: thanks for the green though.

[Jezz]

I know.... they wouldnt be the first on here to assume that I am a girl lol

Jezz is not a nickname for somebody called Jess.... its short for Jeremy... at least in Australia it is.

Then again only people who called me Jezz were my school friends, never my Christian friends.

Thats why I want to change my username to Jeremy.

Oh well, woe is me :p

[Nomes]

I know.... they wouldnt be the first on here to assume that I am a girl lol

:embarrassed: I remember making that mistake... slightly embarassing..

[joris]

Have you read proverbs 31? It's titled 'praise of the good house wife'
But it describes a housewife that is able to do a bit more than the traditional churches, and the society in past, would find agreeable.
See? It's not that bible is saying a woman can't do anything. It's society that used to say that. Such a thing is not in bible at all. If it talks about 'house wife', it doesn't have exactly the idea than most of us have today.

[leahmb]

Have you read proverbs 31? It's titled 'praise of the good house wife'
But it describes a housewife that is able to do a bit more than the traditional churches, and the society in past, would find agreeable.
See? It's not that bible is saying a woman can't do anything. It's society that used to say that. Such a thing is not in bible at all. If it talks about 'house wife', it doesn't have exactly the idea than most of us have today.

Are you saying that a housewife now days may do something a bit more than just wash clothes and cook and clean? If so, I totally agree with you!

[Nate]

A wife won't be in the right place if her husband is in the wrong place. Same goes for daughters and sons. Dad's gotta be in the right place for the rest of the family to fall into line.
Something to think about guys.

[joris]

A wife won't be in the right place if her husband is in the wrong place. Same goes for daughters and sons. Dad's gotta be in the right place for the rest of the family to fall into line.
Something to think about guys.If Adam would have sinned first, Eve would have had no chance/choice, but to join in the sin? Something sounds funny about that... she isn't a drone, you know

[collegegirl]

that's true joris, and it was because of Eve that sin entered the world. She was the only part of the creation that was not Original, she was a by-product of an original creation, Adam. After the fall, she was placed under his headship. Therefore, the way that the family falls is

God -----> Man ------> Wife ------> family.

That is how the God made chanels are. However, the father needs to be in that leadership/headship position, otherwise it messes up the family. Understood if the father dies...then the responsibility falls on the mother. The church helps out in the headship and leadership, but ultimately the mother is the head of the family at that time.

A wife won't be in the right place if her husband is in the wrong place. Same goes for daughters and sons. Dad's gotta be in the right place for the rest of the family to fall into line.
Something to think about guys.

What nate's sayin' here is that if the father DOESN"T get in line...then the whole order of the family is messed up, and it makes it hard for the family to function correctly and effectively.




This whole conversation is very very good, i like hearing what everyone is saying.

As for the girl going to college, I guess I don't have much to say on the subject, as I had a two year degree at 18, and look at my user name....:rolleyes: But it fell at a really good time. Everything fell into place. Mom didn't have the ability to teach higher math, and I was interested in cake decorating at the time, and I ended up taking the courses necessary to finish a culinary degree. I saved several thousand dollars by doing the degree while in high school, while gaining high school and college credit at the same time.

Honestly, I didn't pray much on the matter. College just kinda...happened. My older brother was dual-enrolling, and naturally it seemed like the best thing. There was no life changing decision there, college was part of my highschool. It fell naturally into a place and time of my life. Culinary happened to fall perfectly, as I grew to love the kitchen, and it's a skill I'll be able to carry on to a family.

There was maybe one other degree I had considered, and that was business, and to a degree, I'm still interested in it, as I am part owner of my dad's company (by default, y'know ;) ) Both of my jobs I have worked closely with my boss, and since I"ve been old enough to understand, my dad has been teaching me to think like a business owner. I'd consider a business degree to help with my dad's business, but currently, I don't see pursuing another degree at the moment.

But the older you get, the more responsible for your own actions you become.

And, as what is said with most every thread like this, get Him, and fill up with Him, and He'll either lead you that way, or He won't.

Standards are very important. We expect God to do all the work for us. "Lord, remove these temptations please!" well, if you happen to Look in John 17:15 where Christ is praying in the Garden...and look what He says: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that shouldest keep them from the evil." Christ didn't pray that we'd be removed from the world, and the evil in the world, but that we'd be kept from the evil while we lived here. Sure, women have standards. Look 'em up in the Bible. They are specific.

Check out 1 Timothy 5. He has instructions, for the single, married, and widowed. Check out the conduct instructed for women.

Jesus Christ, same yesterday today and forever, so then what about His word? The Spirits of the day have changed, and so has the Message, as the coming of the Lord has neared, but Christ Himself has not changed.

Kindof Ironic, seeing as how I started the thread, but our focus shouldn't be so much on school, and learning, but rather growing closer to the Lord. If He shows you that you can go, then do it with a pure heart, and don't go doubting, as when you go doubting, it's the same as sin to you. The Lord has specific plans for everyone's lives, and some may include college, and some may not. Just be sure of what you need to do, and do it.

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