Intelligent Girls A challenge....?

[Angellica]

Well I thought about a title for this thread and the close I came to is this. I just wanted to know, I heard from an unbeliever somewhere that intelligent and pretty girls are a challenge to most guys and that they tend to shy away. Do you think this would still apply in the message circles:rollseyes:? And would you guys if you had a chance, ever propose to a girl of higher education than you?

[AgapZoe]

hmm well well interesting topic yet again! well, this discussion has been going on for so long amongst the youths in my church.well, there is so much to be said about the notion that people have nowadays of lintelligent ladies being a threat to the male species.
all i can say for now is that if really you two were meant to be, not even intelligence on the girl's part will hinder you from overcoming your shyness on approaching her, lol! ;-)

[joris]

Well I thought about a title for this thread and the close I came to is this. I just wanted to know, I heard from an unbeliever somewhere that intelligent and pretty girls are a challenge to most guys and that they tend to shy away.you really can't compare worldly guys to Godly guys like that, it doesn't make much sence (many are pushed by a lustfull spirit, and many aren't exactly serious about relationships)

And would you guys if you had a chance, ever propose to a girl of higher education than you?
"If you had a chance"? It's more like if you're totally in love, and prayer hasn't helped getting off that, and... I think I have that tendency of only starting liking someone I kinda know as just friends; like that, things that would increase distance or such (if I get you're question right :confused:) won't be that bad, I guess, as it's balanced by that friendship, hopefully :confused:

[Jezz]

Well I certainly wouldn't want a stupid wife! I think ambition more than intelligence would affect my decision though, being overly amibitious would be a challenge.

Main reason men don't like to marry intelligent women is that they tend to be self-sufficient. Husbands want their wives to need them and it's the women who don't need men that scare men. Being intelligent leads to a good education leads to a good job leads to being self-sufficient leads to not needing men. At least it does in the minds of guys all around the world in any case.

[joris]

heh; I guess that's why I couldn't really understand the question -- I can't (yet?) imagine anyone needing me

[BroTrevor]

Well I certainly wouldn't want a stupid wife!

Bwaaa hahahahahahaaa

You have such a way with words Jezz!! Love it.

Overly Ambitious... that's probably a good way to look at it. Nothing wrong with having a smart wife, but will she support her husband in his work and in his supporting of the family?

Or will he stay home and take care of the kids while she worries about the next corporate merger??? <-- That probably runs the guys off.

[marichino_freedom]

lol......define "ambitious".....ambitious in what way? there are varying levels of ambition......i consider myself ambitious! theres so much i want to do! so much i want to see! i'm determined to do stuff!


****and seth encourages it! :D****

and i definately plan on contributing to the household income by having my own home business (after i have kids....before that i'll still work outside). i dont see anything wrong with being CO-efficient. i am self sufficient right now, and when i get married, i hope to turn that into a co-efficiency. depending on EACH other, not just depending on one person alone.

[Angellica]

you really can't compare worldly guys to Godly guys like that, it doesn't make much sence (many are pushed by a lustfull spirit, and many aren't exactly serious about relationships)

Sorry Joris, didn't exactly mean to bunch you "two different" guys up!;-)

But you can't really just conclude that an intelligent girl will be more self sufficient and just let her go....?;)

[leahmb]

I have been thinking about this....

Yes, I think intelligent girls may be a challenge for some guys. Is this a bad thing? I don't know....I think some, say, 'more obvious' intelligences in girls can be balanced by 'more hidden' intelligences in guys. I think couples should have qualities that complement and help each other.

If a guy is challenged by what is perceived to be a girl's intelligence, when it's more a matter of how she's applied herself, then a guy should feel challenged.

Where I could see it being a bad thing is if the girl tries to run the home (be the head) because she feels she is more intelligent. I've been listening to a whole series on dominating females and this was brought up. She can help and have an integral part, but if the guy lets her rule the roost, they're both out of their God-ordained places.

[marichino_freedom]

very true....its about balancing. each person has their place, but no one should feel like they cant do something (like help their wife clean......:D)......


i think there are some predjudices in some people.....some guys dont want their wives (present or future) to have more of an education than themselves.....i know it isnt true for everyone, but why not be supportive if she just wants to go to learn something?

[AgapZoe]

lol......define "ambitious".....ambitious in what way? there are varying levels of ambition......i consider myself ambitious! theres so much i want to do! so much i want to see! i'm determined to do stuff!


****and seth encourages it! :D****

and i definately plan on contributing to the household income by having my own home business (after i have kids....before that i'll still work outside). i dont see anything wrong with being CO-efficient. i am self sufficient right now, and when i get married, i hope to turn that into a co-efficiency. depending on EACH other, not just depending on one person alone.

-Well, I kinda like this response and I totally agree with you Mari....

...then i got this to add: it depends on the couple!...how they wanna do it, co-efficieny or self-sufficieny on husband's part and dependence on wife's part...never know two people's way of life, and happiness..lol.it's a mystery! no wonder..marriage is such a mystery!

[JoeC]

heh heh. What a fun topic.

First of all, let's make a basic statement about the way guys view courtship:

Courtship, from the beginning, is a challenge. Forgive me guys if I'm breeching some guys code in saying this, but part of the intrigue of courtship is the challenge of winning a girl's heart.

I believe we've spoken about this before in discussing some girls' tendency to exploite this inherent nature in men by playing "hard to get" and thereby turning the courtship process into some degraded sort of emotional game.

Point being. There will always be a challenge for a guy in wooing a woman of value into spending her life with him... just as there is a challenge in finding a pearl of great price.

Unfortunately, people tend to get the carnal perspective "are they on the same level as I?" When we begin asking questions like that, then family background, looks, and yes, even intelligence, becomes a greater factor than they ought to be, and if the guy decides he's below the girl's level, then yes, he may go elsewhere, figuring he doesn't have a chance.

But there is something more than all that...

[AgapZoe]

hmm some stuff to ponder over there from Joe!!!

Angellica sent me this, as food for thought: (paraphrased)

"A lady should be so deep in Christ that a man is to find Christ first in order to find her."

Thought I should share it over here...let's go on now with the discussion...

Joe has got some point there....what's more than that?...

Is it the perfect plan of God for the two to end up together or not to end up together? Can we really defy that reality, especially as The Bride?

[joris]

I kinda got that "funny" idea Angellica isn't just asking just a question, I think she may be worried. Suggesting we might pray for her and encourage her.
"A lady should be so deep in Christ that a man is to find Christ first in order to find her."Uhm yes... sounds good - though, what exactly do you mean by "finding her"? Maybe a silly question but...

[joris]

Sorry Joris, didn't exactly mean to bunch you "two different" guys up!;-)just wanted to stress reasons for a worldly man to like a girl, and the way he'd respond (and what he expects from that) to that, are likely to be (very) different from reasons and response and expectations of a Godly man.
(many/most worldly man would expect to have sex sooner or later - before marriage, for instance -- marriage itself not being the obvious target of a relationship/dating)

[BroTrevor]

into some degraded sort of emotional game.


whoa... he speaks truth!


hmm some stuff to ponder over there from Joe!!!

Angellica sent me this, as food for thought: (paraphrased)

"A lady should be so deep in Christ that a man is to find Christ first in order to find her."


That's good stuff there too...

[Angellica]

heh heh. What a fun topic.

First of all, let's make a basic statement about the way guys view courtship:

Courtship, from the beginning, is a challenge. Forgive me guys if I'm breeching some guys code in saying this, but part of the intrigue of courtship is the challenge of winning a girl's heart.

I believe we've spoken about this before in discussing some girls' tendency to exploite this inherent nature in men by playing "hard to get" and thereby turning the courtship process into some degraded sort of emotional game.

Point being. There will always be a challenge for a guy in wooing a woman of value into spending her life with him... just as there is a challenge in finding a pearl of great price.

Unfortunately, people tend to get the carnal perspective "are they on the same level as I?" When we begin asking questions like that, then family background, looks, and yes, even intelligence, becomes a greater factor than they ought to be, and if the guy decides he's below the girl's level, then yes, he may go elsewhere, figuring he doesn't have a chance.

But there is something more than all that...
That's a good one Joe! I believe marriage should not be based on carnal reasons!;-) And that part of courtship being a challenge, I never thought it was!!!:D

And Joris, I'm not worried per se, I'm just wondering if that could be a contributing factor to guys feeling challenged;)

[JoeC]

And that part of courtship being a challenge, I never thought it was!!!:D

You may want to bear that one out with some other opinions before you take my say so. ;)

[NeedGod]

Courtship is a challenge to the girls too Joe.
I know this because at the beginning of even a simple relationship, we are always worried, as girls, that our hearts will be toyed with and thrown to the dogs. I guess this makes the girls evasive and mysterious. Cause, who wants to give all out then have it thrown back in their face. But i guess this evasiveness now poves to be a challenge to the guys. This i guess is a good thing, because it is like a safety net girls should have wrapped around them till they are sure the guy loves them. But this safety net should be woven by yarns of prayer and needles of The Word.
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Ok, i have just laid out a case scenario and its a little off topic.
This largely depends on the individuals. There are girls who are able to love their husbands in such a way that no matter how much they earn, they will be in their positions. I know three such couples in Kenya. One wife has a doctorate, her husband doesnt, but you have never seen a wife so in love with her husband. You can tell he is the head of that home. He walks with the bounce of authority every man should have. I think it is every womans job to feed not only her husbands stomach, but also his ego. When everyone else thinks he is useless, she should make him feel like a king, no matter what he earns.
Problem is, with the spirit of Laodecia, not many women, even in the message, can do that. Most women forget their place and want to throw their accomplishments to their husbands faces.
So know yourself, if you know you might be a little(yes, even that little counts) proud and not as submissive as you should be, don't see someone who earns less. But if you have enough Holy Spirit in you to know and keep your position, then you may go ahead......Wait a minute, if you do not have enough Holy Spirit in you, dont even think of marriage, seek God first. Otherwise you'll make someone's life a living hell.
Ok, i ran off a little there. Sorry for the long post. I love you all
NAmwacha

[joris]

Nice post NeedGod, though I also have a few comments
Courtship is a challenge to the girls too Joe.
I know this because at the beginning of even a simple relationship, we are always worried, as girls, that our hearts will be toyed with and thrown to the dogs. I guess this makes the girls evasive and mysterious. Cause, who wants to give all out then have it thrown back in their face. But i guess this evasiveness now poves to be a challenge to the guys. This i guess is a good thing, because it is like a safety net girls should have wrapped around them till they are sure the guy loves them. But this safety net should be woven by yarns of prayer and needles of The Word. Uhm no I don't think that "safety net" is really good -- it'd be much better if it was, well, Gods protection, instead of keeping distance. Unfortunately I don't know so much about how that'd become practice actually:(
I think it is every womans job to feed not only her husbands stomach, but also his ego. When everyone else thinks he is useless, she should make him feel like a king, no matter what he earns.Uhm, be carefull about that ego thing, don't want to build him a pride

[collegegirl]

I am reading some wonderful books lent to me...and if you keep God in the forefront, then God watches over the relationship. Yes, there are tasks that He gives us to make sure the relationship is a smooth one. But if Christ is first, it makes us joyful to accomplish those tasks, which then are no longer tasks, but acts of love and joy.

But keep hidden in Christ until He reveals to you that that person is the one that He wants you to marry, treating them like a brother or a sister, that way if Christ doesn't reveal to you that you are to marry them, you both can walk away with your hearts intact, and a satisfaction of having watched over their hearts and helped protect them for their future spouse.

As for intelligence...I don't understand if it is Schooling or actual intelligence you are talking about.

[Angelo]

For me, an intelligent, Holy Ghost filled woman with a really good character is a real plus. If she earns a lot, well, I shouldn't be offended but be thankful as long as she wont compromise with her walk with the Lord. As long as she can still go to church and take good care of us her loving family. As long as she don't get bitter and look down to my inferiority, and let her accomplishments take her soo high she can't look me in the eye no more and say to me that she loves me and that she will be true to our love for each other.

[AgapZoe]

your post Angelo has put a smile on my face. I'm grateful to God that even in this age, as it is, we still have a People, whose marriages are/will be perfect, just as Christ Himself is perfect, amidst the perversion that's so rampant....such that getting a marriage/relationship where people are true and faithful and so in love with each other is almost impossile. Surely, nothing is good outside the Word of our Lord God...Keep pressing on saints.

[jordancpeterson]

Courtship is a challenge to the girls too Joe.
I know this because at the beginning of even a simple relationship, we are always worried, as girls, that our hearts will be toyed with and thrown to the dogs. I guess this makes the girls evasive and mysterious. Cause, who wants to give all out then have it thrown back in their face. But i guess this evasiveness now poves to be a challenge to the guys.

This is why I feel the time that a guy gets to know a girl before courtship shouldn't be rushed. I think we get too much into, this has to happen right now or we lose or something. I think it would be better on everyone and everyone would feel better if the pace was slowed down.

[HotShot53]

This is why I feel the time that a guy gets to know a girl before courtship shouldn't be rushed. I think we get too much into, this has to happen right now or we lose or something. I think it would be better on everyone and everyone would feel better if the pace was slowed down.

Of course, there is such a thing as going too slow, too ;) While I agree that it is often too rushed, you need some balance ;)

[AgapZoe]

Of course, there is such a thing as going too slow, too ;) While I agree that it is often too rushed, you need some balance ;)

sure thing....haha!!!

[jordancpeterson]

Of course, there is such a thing as going too slow, too ;) While I agree that it is often too rushed, you need some balance ;)

Ummmm... yeah, yeah DJ... ;)

[Angellica]

I am reading some wonderful books lent to me...and if you keep God in the forefront, then God watches over the relationship. Yes, there are tasks that He gives us to make sure the relationship is a smooth one. But if Christ is first, it makes us joyful to accomplish those tasks, which then are no longer tasks, but acts of love and joy.

As for intelligence...I don't understand if it is Schooling or actual intelligence you are talking about.

What tasks??:confused: But hey I agree with you, if God is in the relationship, HAPPY HAPPY relationship!! And I meant schooling, coz school gives us intelligence, otherwise it's wisdom!

I sure do know of marriages where the Br. is lower education wise, but they are happy anyhow! I wish all Br.s knew that that should not be a hindrance to asking for a sr.s hand in marriage!!;) And well the Holyghost on the inside will always lead us good, for he is our tutor.

[blessed]

Ummmm... yeah, yeah DJ... ;)

Actually there is such a thing as being to slow.. that you miss out, I've seen it happen. Where a brother wait and wait even though he had opportunities and eventually another brother came and took her away. It was sad because he truly loved her.. but he was waiting....

[AgapZoe]

hmm sad at times....huh! It can be advantageous that you don't end up with the 'wrong 'partner but it can also be a disadvantage whereby you may lose your eternal mate...just like that!!!

[leahmb]

you may lose your eternal mate...just like that!!!

Is that possible? If they were your eternal mate, wouldn't they then be your mate in eternity, if not on this earth?

[jordancpeterson]

Wait a minute... if you supposedly lose the person you are interested in how do you know that you were supposed be with that person in the first place? We think we know but we really don't. It's not a matter of "I was too slow so I missed it" but I think more of that is what is in the Lord's plan for a person's life. True you may make mistakes where the Lord really wanted you to do something but at the same time "all things work together for good to those that love the Lord".

[joris]

Is that possible? If they were your eternal mate, wouldn't they then be your mate in eternity, if not on this earth?don't think so, there isn't such a thing as marriage then the way it is here. Though I know little about that, except that Jesus explicitly tells there won't be such a marriage in heaven.

Wait a minute... if you supposedly lose the person you are interested in how do you know that you were supposed be with that person in the first place?good point - this is only theory
The way I'd like to look at it is, she *can't* be the one Lord wanted you to be married with, if she doesn't end up married to you, that's the guiding He gives, after all. Don't come with "but what if he or she isn't following His will?" -- with questions like that you only decrease faith in His guiding (we all fail and make mistakes -- it can be just real real hard to see what His will is -- if His guiding couldn't work through that, there won't much guiding at all)

[jordancpeterson]

I'll tell you this... some guys could use a bit more brains at times!!!

[marichino_freedom]

tee-hee! its true! but i definately think a few girls could too! :D

[AgapZoe]

Is that possible? If they were your eternal mate, wouldn't they then be your mate in eternity, if not on this earth?

well, sure thanks for pointing that out Leah...:)- you had a different viewpoint on that statement from what I really meant, but that's ok. well, you wont have lost your eternal mate eternally per se, but on this earth...but as Jordan has said, 'all things work together for good for them that love the Lord.' but eternally, all shall be right!!!

[joris]

well, sure thanks for pointing that out Leah...:)- you had a different viewpoint on that statement from what I really meant, but that's ok. well, you wont have lost your eternal mate eternally per se, but on this earth...but as Jordan has said, 'all things work together for good for them that love the Lord.' but eternally, all shall be right!!!could you please express clearly what you think about heaven? eternal mate? those things? I don't think I'm really following what you're talking about now.
It's somehow reminding me of mathew 22:23-33

[BroTrevor]

Well, you can take the words of Jesus in that passage a couple ways.

I think the way that many seem to take it, is that we all are basically divorced in heaven and our own persons with no mate at all. (of course, no one states it this harshly, but if one were to analyze how that would work, that's basically what it is)

I'm not sure that's exactly what Jesus is talking about.

Rewind to creation, Male and Female created He them. Then awhile later, he formed Adam out of the dust...(Male and Female Adam) Then awhile later, he took Eve out of Adam's side.

So, somehow blend what Jesus said, with what the original creation was, and maybe you got a picture.

Obviously it would be hard to say EXACTLY how it will be...but I can guarantee, the half has not yet been told.

I CORINTHIANS 2:9
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

[joris]

Well, you can take the words of Jesus in that passage a couple ways.

I think the way that many seem to take it, is that we all are basically divorced in heaven and our own persons with no mate at all. (of course, no one states it this harshly, but if one were to analyze how that would work, that's basically what it is)

I'm not sure that's exactly what Jesus is talking about.where did the "we take bible as it says" go, just now? :confused:
I heard it in a whole better way - for a being together, sharing all you have, all you are, two people being one, to that certain level, only exists in marriage here. There... it's your filling in that it means divorcing. No, that's upside down. There we are much more a unity than you could ever imagine. More love than you could imagine. Like marriage might be the best you can imagine down here, but it's just child's play compared to what it'll be like, there.

Jesus is plainly telling there's no marriage like down here - there. If I understand you right, it's your assumption that taking His words to just mean what they mean, implies something's less in heaven than on earth. That's what your words imply -- though maybe you wouldn't put it that clearly. I don't believe heaven is less than earth at all. I don't think paradise is less than this broken world. And no, the new earth won't be less than today.

[BroTrevor]

Joris,

You COMPLETELY misunderstood me.

where did the "we take bible as it says" go, just now? :confused:

<sarcasm>
Yeah, I was totally trying to interpret it to everyone, </sarcasm> that's why I was just blending in MORE scripture to take the Bible as it says... then ENTIRE Bible, not just one scripture.


Like marriage might be the best you can imagine down here, but it's just child's play compared to what it'll be like, there.

That's more along the lines of what I was saying. Hence the 1 Chor 2:9 reference.

Do you TRY to take what I say and make issues with it?

[NeedGod]

actually brother T., i had to reread your post it to understand it too. I had completely misunderstood too... :) But your second severely sarcastic post made it clearer.. now, to make the second post a little less sarcastic.....:)

[joris]

That's more along the lines of what I was saying. Hence the 1 Chor 2:9 reference.So we agree there
Do you TRY to take what I say and make issues with it?No, I don't; just what you were saying wasn't all that clear, though looking back, yea, you were trying to say what I was saying, more or less; just your words weren't that clear to me

may God bless you indeed

[JoeC]

There will be no marriage or giving in marriage on Heaven (Mark 12:25). However, just as Eve was from Adam's side, the feminine part of Adam, so will there be that unity between a man and the woman he was married to on earth. Brother Harold Beckett described it to me as more of an "intimate friendship." Makes sense to me.

Also, Brother Branham said that "All wrongs would be made right over there. If you get the wrong one (mate) on this side, you'll have the right one over there." [paraphrased from a "rumour quote" - if someone has the ref. please post]

Again, as others have concluded, I don't think he's talking about the same kind of marriage we're used to here - it's more of a spiritually intimate union - a sort of knitting of the souls. At least, that's the way it seems to me.

[NeedGod]

Nice. Welcome back Joe. That was a wonderful post. :)

[azurity]

Also, Brother Branham said that "All wrongs would be made right over there. If you get the wrong one (mate) on this side, you'll have the right one over there." [paraphrased from a "rumour quote" - if someone has the ref. please post]
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1086-Q-330 330. Brother Branham, how am I supposed to show my wife that I really care for her and yet play--or stay with the Word (That's)--stay--stay with the word, but still having a question like this said: "Why don't you practice what you preach or believe?"
Well then, if the wife, if the wife is saying this to you when she's--has a right to say it, you better get right. See, see? Then if she, if--if she is saying it just to be evil, remember, the Bible said, "It was better that a millstone was hanged at your neck and drowned in the depths of the sea than even to offend the least of these, My little ones." Now, that just your question.
And may be that this wife is not that type of person. Maybe she's a different--maybe, she's a good person. Maybe she's just testing you to see what you'll do.
1086-116 Now, stay in love with her and let her see Jesus in you. You do that. See? You just go on. Some... I give a little illustration this morning about a person that... One time this little woman had--had received the Holy Ghost. And she was a very sweet little person. They... She said... Well, she'd had a hard life, and her husband was an alcoholic. And so, she just kept on; she bore with him. He says, "You want to go to church, honey, take off. But I just go down to the saloon, down at the old Brown Derby, down here. Go and--on." So they hung out down there all the time, used to be Bonifers. Many of you old-timers here remember when Bonifer had there on the corner of... It's called Brown Derby now, I believe it is.
1086-117 So, hanging around down there, and the first thing you know, one night come up a question about church and about Christians. One of the old drunks setting there said, "There ain't no such a thing as Christians any more." Said, "There is no such a thing. All this bunch of hypocrites," said, "you see them out here smoking, drinking, doing the same thing that we do," and said, "call themselves Christians. There is no such."
This one drunk raised up and said, "Just a minute. There's one that I know about. "
Said, "Who is it?"
Said, "It's my wife." See? She'd become salty. He was catching it all the time.
He said, "I bet if she was put to a squeeze..."
He said, "No, she's still a Christian; I'll prove it to you." Said, "I tell you what let's do; let's go up home, and I'll show you whether she's a Christian or not." Said, "Let's go up home, and now, let's really be drunk. We're going to act like we're really drunk." Knocked at the door, come in staggering over everything and--and... "Why don't you set around this a-way," and everything. And she set them all a chair and (his guests, you know)--and tried to make them just as welcome as could be. Said, "I want you to fix us some supper." And so they--she went out and fixed some. Said, "we want ham and eggs." He knowed they had it, so they fixed the ham and eggs. When he got there at the table, he looked at them like that, picked up his plate, and slammed the stuff on the floor, said, "You know, I don't like my eggs like that. Come on boys let's get out of here anyhow," like that--like that.
1087-119 They went out and set down like that, you know. And she come out; she said, "Dear, I'm--I'm sorry I didn't get them fixed; I'll fix some more for you."
"Oh, nonsense, you knowed I didn't want them that way in the first place," just carrying on like that. They went out there, and set down, and act like they was drunk. They heard her in there kind of snubbing to herself, singing real low voice:
Must Jesus bear the cross alone,
All the world go free?
There's a cross for every one,
And there's a cross for me.
This consecrated cross I'll bear,
Till death shall set me free,
One drunk looked at the other one, said, "She's a Christian; she's got it." And that little woman led her husband, plus these others to Christ that night. See? Why? See? Just be real sweet. Just remember, He knows all about it.
So, sister, or brother, whoever it might be, or brother, it is here, 'cause he asked about his wife, you just be salty; she'll get thirsty if there's anything in her to thirst for. If it isn't, remember, if you got the wrong person, you'll get the right one in the millennium. You just keep on going; all wrongs will be made right there.


This one? :) You know... was just thinking on this. I've heard it quoted numerous times like, "If you don't marry "The Right One" then you'll be married to someone different in heaven." But reading it this time (that's why I posted the whole quote) made me wonder if he was talking about if your spouse isn't predestinated... It seems to apply more to if you marry an unbeliever, or if you're saved after marriage, and your spouse is never saved.

Thoughts?

But on marriage in heaven, I like this quote:

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14 We here who are getting along past, when a man, woman passes twenty-five years old, you might as well face it (See?), your youthful days are finished. And to think, that glorious promise, as we're facing the setting of the sun. What is it? Is life finished? Oh, no. Life just hasn't begun yet. Oh, we're just going. I just wish that there was some way we could settle down, till time didn't mean nothing, and just stay in like that and get those things out of the Scriptures before the people. They are there, friends. I can prove it by God's Bible, and the help of the Holy Spirit, that every one of you that's in Christ, born again, that one of these days those gray hairs will change, and the wrinkles will run from your face. You'll go back to a young man or woman again and live forever with Christ Jesus. I can show you where God proved it in the Bible, showed the shadows and the marks of it, and promised it, and swore by it, that He'd do it. How marvelous.
Will I love my wife then? Sure, more than I do now, even. I don't know how it could be, but I will. Will she be mine? Sure, be my companion. She'll... Be no children or nothing, but the children that we have here on earth will be there with us if they're born again. That's right. Won't that be marvelous?

[NeedGod]

Aaaaawwww, three cheers for Alysa! She's back. :yay: I always loved her posts

[azurity]

Aww... thanks Esther. You're precious! I'm back for a little while... I missed ya'll too much!

[NeedGod]

I hope the little while will stretch to a longer while:)

[marichino_freedom]

There will be no marriage or giving in marriage on Heaven (Mark 12:25). However, just as Eve was from Adam's side, the feminine part of Adam, so will there be that unity between a man and the woman he was married to on earth. Brother Harold Beckett described it to me as more of an "intimate friendship." Makes sense to me.

Also, Brother Branham said that "All wrongs would be made right over there. If you get the wrong one (mate) on this side, you'll have the right one over there." [paraphrased from a "rumour quote" - if someone has the ref. please post]

Again, as others have concluded, I don't think he's talking about the same kind of marriage we're used to here - it's more of a spiritually intimate union - a sort of knitting of the souls. At least, that's the way it seems to me.


i actually heard a really cool story a few weeks ago when we went to des moines to visit bro. isaiah's church. brother brown (from ohio?) was talking about when he was younger, and knew brother branham. there was one occasion that brother branham told brother browns wife (when wishing her happy birthday) that her and brother brown would "walk hand in hand on the streets of gold"

i thought that was awesome. what a birthday gift to hear that! :)

[NeedGod]

All these baffles yet excites me no end. To think of the kind of purity that will be up there. Such joy. Oh wow, walk hand in hand! Yeah, thats an awesome birthday gift

[BroTrevor]

To think of the kind of purity that will be up there. Such joy.


AMEN!!

Bring it!

Even so, come Lord Jesus!

[NeedGod]

Oh yeah Brother T. That excitement inspires me to want to shout. Nice!

[azurity]

Then there's this one:

ADOPTION.4_ JEFF.IN AD.PT.4 SUNDAY_ 60-0522E
210 And, remember, when this breath passes from this life, to you old people, or to you young people... And you mothers, when you see your little babies, that little girl baby that died when she wasn't eight days old or five days old, she'll be a beautiful young woman when you see her. That old grandpa was all so stooped over; he couldn't hardly see where he was going; when you see him, grandmother, he'll be a fine handsome young man, just as young as about twenty years old, just in the splendor of youth. And he'll be that way forever. You'll can touch his hand; you can shake hands with him. You'll throw your arms around him, but he won't be hubby; he'll be brother. Oh, my. He'll be so much greater than hubby. You think you loved him? Sure you did. But that was phileo; wait till you get agapao. Wait till that real Divine love catches, and then see what is.
This here just is like an old smoldering dump; it's no good; there's nothing to it. Only thing I advise you to do now, is this, my--my--my friends.

[NeedGod]

My my my Alysa. Thats wonderful. Oh my!
Today i realised that if i'm to get married, i do not want to be so learned. I previously wanted a high education and all, but i began wondering what i'd do with it all when my place is not even in the work place but at home. Fine, i realise i might have to get my masters etc because the economy might force me to work, but will i be in God's will...? and i'm not trying to dissuade anyone who wants them. Education is wonderful, jus be sure you're in God's will... I wonder whats in store for me though, after my degree, i wonder if i really want more... Then my heart also asks if i'm called to be single... Sometimes i think i might be, then other times i think not...

[joris]

but he won't be hubby; he'll be brother. Oh, my. He'll be so much greater than hubby. You think you loved him? Sure you did. But that was phileo; wait till you get agapao. Wait till that real Divine love catches, and then see what is.That's sad - does he really mean there isn't agapao in a marriage? That's sick. I hope he's wrong there.
Maybe not at the start, but it should come there, right. Tell me he didn't mean it like that

[AgapZoe]

Tell me he didn't mean it like that
He didn't mean it like that Joris.

[NeedGod]

That's sad - does he really mean there isn't agapao in a marriage? That's sick. I hope he's wrong there.
Maybe not at the start, but it should come there, right. Tell me he didn't mean it like that
Oh, but rtemember God is love. We need to have love so purelike His. In marriages here on earth, the love cannot even compare to the love God has for us. Yes it is strong, but no, it is not even close to the kind of love God has for us. Now, in heaven, we wil lhave that kind of love. Just like God's love. Oh yeah! So i believe he did meant it like that.... There is no pure rich Agapo fully on earth. But it is the promise of God for every believer. And up there, we will attain it in its fullness

[BroTrevor]

That's sad - does he really mean there isn't agapao in a marriage? That's sick. I hope he's wrong there.
Maybe not at the start, but it should come there, right. Tell me he didn't mean it like that

Why don't you wait till after you are married to pass judgement on how "sick" something a man of God said about it.

Rare is the agapao love in a marriage. Rare is the agapao love anywhere on earth.

Agapao love is pure, undefiled, selfless love.

[joris]

Why don't you wait till after you are married to pass judgement on how "sick" something a man of God said about it.That "sick" wasn't about the man, or his words. It wasn't a judgement about him at all.

Rare is the agapao love in a marriage. Rare is the agapao love anywhere on earth.

Agapao love is pure, undefiled, selfless love.And that's sad (what I just called "sick", in previous post), see what I mean?

[BroTrevor]

And that's sad (what I just called "sick", in previous post), see what I mean?

Welcome to the world we live in.


Even so, come Lord Jesus.

[TommyLewis]

There is no way we can experience on Earth the love we will experience in heaven. These fallen bodies, in this fallen world, just aren't capable. Is it sad? To an extent, but it just makes me more determined to get there...
It's really only sad if you don't plan on being there. Otherwise, it's just one more thing to look forward to. Think about all the beauty, all of the love, all of the good things you've experienced here on Earth, and then realize that it isn't even close, it isn't even worthy to be compared to what we will have in heaven. Just makes me cry out with Trevor...with John in Revelation(a type of the Bride), thus with the Bride all around the world, "Even so, come Lord Jesus."

[joris]

There is no way we can experience on Earth the love we will experience in heaven. These fallen bodies, in this fallen world, just aren't capable. Is it sad? To an extent, but it just makes me more determined to get there...What makes you say so?
What's the point of speaking about agape if it's totally out of reach? Seems there must be, by His grace, the revelation of, the experience of, agape, how else could Paul write about it? Or any of the apostels.
Surely Jesus had agape, so the disciples must have experienced at least some of it.

Well, as you've entered His kingdom as you repented... just seems God is able to change your heart (and body?) to being able to experience, have agape love for others? And well, seems that's even His command, to have that love for others, right? :confused:

[NeedGod]

Joris, i'm sorry if it all comes out as an attack. I think it was a misunderstanding in terms of language. He meant it is sad that we cannot attain the love that is so perfect here on earth. Oh, it is, but have you seen true believers couples? Oh, you will marvell. It is unlike anything else, the great tlove. The only problem is that we are human and we sin. But we will attain perfection, and with the perfection comes perfect love. Perfect love that forgives anything and cannot err. But you can attain a love so deep and fulfilling here on earth Joris. :) Thats the good news. And the deeper you get in Christ, the deeper the love in your marriage gets. I am talking from the example of my parents since obviously i am not married myself. I have seen their love deepen to something more Godly with every battle won, both spiritual and normal.
(Just a side note, it kind of hurt when you said what the prophet said was sick, which is why it drew such reactions, but i believe it was because of language barrier. Just be a little careful with words, because he is who we believe to be The prophet sent from God in our day!!!)
By the way, AMEN Tommy, makes me determined to get there. :) Lets keep pressing on :)

[joris]

today it just came up, suddenly, the realization that Paul says a man must love his wife like Jesus loves His church, right? (It's in Efeze 5, and I think in other letters too)
So... well, then there must be agape love in that marriage, obviously, unless the husband fails to do what Paul urges a man to do. Anyway, with such a strong statement, it must be well possible to have that agape love in that marriage, indeed.

I'm confused now - not about the bible, but about what then was Branham trying to say? :confused:

[TommyLewis]

I'm confused too...about what your getting at exactly...surely your not trying to say that we can experience everything that we will experience in heaven here on Earth...

I just believe that there is a different level of purity, a different level of love in heaven than what we can experience here on Earth...I'd be pretty dissapointed to get to heaven and find out that it is no better than what we have here on Earth...


Also...I believe when Paul says to love you wife as Christ loved the church he is refering to having a self sacrificial love...

[Jezz]

Jesus loves his church with agapao love
A man should love his wife in the same way
Therefore a man should love his wife with agapao love

That is what Joris is saying.

We get a modicum of God's love when we are born again, but we don't have perfect love. Perfect love casts out all fear, anyone here have zero fear? Then we don't have perfect love yet. But we will when the capstone (which is love) and the body of Christ meet (i.e Rapture)

[TommyLewis]

Jesus loves his church with agapao love
A man should love his wife in the same way
Therefore a man should love his wife with agapao love

That is what Joris is saying.

That part was pretty self explanatory...
My question was simply do you not believe that there will be a greater level of purity, a greater quality of love in heaven than what we can experience living in fallen bodies on a fallen Earth?

What's the point of speaking about agape if it's totally out of reach?

There are lots of things we talk about that we cannot reach while in fallen bodies. They are things we look forward to, when we get out of these bodies...I'm not necesarily saying agapao love fits into this category. I'm just pointing out that the category exists.

[joris]

That part was pretty self explanatory...
My question was simply do you not believe that there will be a greater level of purity, a greater quality of love in heaven than what we can experience living in fallen bodies on a fallen Earth?Well that's obvious.
There, everything is so much better it's - we so have no understanding of it... we can't really talk about it anyway, for we have no clue what it's like. We know all that sin did is gone there, and... well, we have no clue what that's like, either. It's better than anything we know. But just can't picture it

[joris]

Actually I misquoted, I meant to reply to this part,
My question was simply do you not believe that there will be a greater level of purity, a greater quality of love in heaven than what we can experience living in fallen bodies on a fallen Earth?
Not the love part, I believe Jesus' words, and many others in bible, indicate He'll lead us, bring us to His kind of love - that isn't only for heaven