Brother Branham's Opinion: How Far Do We Take It?

[Christian-Samurai]

Admin Note: This thread makes references to the thread Wine & the Christian (http://www.yqnews.org/forums/showthread.php?t=149) as it is split off the said thread. This thread deals with a larger issue than wine and so we made it a thread to itself. However, you may want to glance over the wine thread to see where members are coming from.


I am sorry Joe for taking again this moment to kinda step off the main topic, but this has come up a couple times, So I thought I would share my opinion on this.

Now friend I want you to correct me if I have taken your words out of context because that is the last thing I want to do is that, But I felt it on my heart as I understood it this way and so I needed to express my feeling with this view.

That if Brother Branham spoke it and it's on the tapes, then we should take what he says as the direct commandments of God--like the Bible, but an amplification of the scriptures for us, the Bride of Jesus Christ.

I will agree with this to a point, Brother Branham himself was not God as we all know, he was a man, but also a prophet sent by God. Many times he would say that this to remind us because he didnt want to take away the Glory of God, He was very humble and wasnt happy when people started placing him infront of God. He was here to point us back to the father not to himself, thats why he always promoted what God's Word said over what he said. He will be the first to tell you to go back and look at the bible to see if what he says lines up with the word.

When Brother Branham said thus saith the word of God, that is when I listen close and when he showed us in the bible where he was reading from, I have to say amen.

However,I do not believe that every word that came out of the mouth of Brother Branham was that of God.

He was our brother, he was a man sent from God, and God was truthly with him. AND I truely do believe that God sent Brother Branham as a prophet to help Point us back to our Father. I also believe that God has reveled to my heart that Brothe Branham has brought the true word of God to us.

But I also believe that he was also a man like you and I. Ate, Slept, Put his pants on one leg at a time. I say if you really need to know what he said and if it was truely the word of our God in the man, I say you need to ask God yourself. God will vindicate his word as he has already done many times. I do say ask the author himself, Who would know better than he?

We must each find out own personal realationship with God. Can you get into heave and the bride on your mothers or fathers token?? Certianly not, in the same way I look at Brother Branham as a helpful guide to undestanding God's word, But I can not get into heaven on his token. I need one of my own. Brother Branham cleared up many things and helped point us back on the true path to God. But ever thing he did and everything he said was to point us back to that path where we were suppose make that personal connection to him ourself. God's Word is my true and absolute. So I will use what Brother Branham has taught me the best that I can, but My search will always be, what did God himself command me to do by His love letter to us..the scriptures.

God bless you and keep you safe.
Benjamin

[blessed]

I hear what u say Samauri but also remember that the bible says a prophet is the voice of God, and i think even though Bro Branham may have given his opinion on something God will honour that anyday over what we think.

[Christian-Samurai]

Hey blessed :) Thanks for you post.

perhaps, perhaps not because the SAME God who was in him, is in US also. He may have been God's choosen one for this day, but again we need to remember that same God that spoke through him can also speak through us. Look at Moses, he struck the stone and didnt speak the word as he was commanded and, sure water still came out, but he was punished for it, and dont forget Jonah got swallowed by a whale. Prophets are the voice pieces of God but not everything they say or do is always what God said to.

Thats why that revealed word of God in our hearts is so important. thats why we need his token so that the things of this earth, though so close in imitating our prophets and beliefs Such as with the topic on music here, the music sounds good but is it of God?, its a big imitation but It can not fool Gods elected.

Bro Branhams comments maybe important things for us to look at, but we still need to take them back to God's Word as with anything, even what our pastors say.

[Christian-Samurai]

LOL oh I didnt notice this got moved to its own topic lol well I guess that works also, thanks Joe :)

[Snoopy]

Quick comment...

Although the Bible says that prophets bring the word of the Lord, you notice that not EVERYTHING the Biblical prophets said is recorded in scripture. Like Samurai said, when Bro. Branham said "Thus saith the Lord" he meant it, but everything else was his opinion. Remember, though, that it was an opinion shaped by the Holy Ghost, and was probably better than many of our opinions.

For further evidence that bro. Branham was just a man, look at all the times he said something that was an obvious scientific error. Balance this with the fact that many things he said were scientifically years ahead of their time and you have a picture of what bro. Branham was: A son of man revealing The Son of Man.

[chocolateismybestfriend]

match up his opinion in the bible. Thats our #1 source.
It all fits together SOMEHOW like a puzzle.

[All4Jesus]

Amen! My thoughs as well :) God Bless

[Babyruth]

Me too! I pray about it, ask my pastor, parents, but ultimately God decides.

[BroTrevor]

I agree with the general direction Christian-Samurai has taken this. Yes, the point was to get us back to Christ...to "restore" the faith back. That is one of the reasons for Bro Branham's message I believe.

I personally would be very careful in judging what is Bro Branham's opinion and what is not. How do I determine what is opinion and what isn't?

I offer a couple of the following scriptures for added discussion in this thread.

I SAMUEL 3:19
And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.

"let none of his words fall to the ground." Samuel was a prophet as we all know. Now, please note it doesn't state..."and did let none of his words other than his opinions fall to the ground"

I CORINTHIANS 7:25-26
25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

"yet I give my judgement" and " I say"

Now, this was "Paul's Opinion" one could say. Yet do not we all take it as inspired Word of God?

So, for discussion...I suggest being very careful when discerning between "opinion" and "inspired word".

That being said, again I'd like to say I agree with the original post's direction....you MUST BE SPIRIT LED in all things. Without the spirit to quicken the truth to you...I believe you will be sorely lacking.

ROMANS 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

-Bro Trevor

[blessed]

I SAMUEL 3:19
And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground.

"let none of his words fall to the ground." Samuel was a prophet as we all know. Now, please note it doesn't state..."and did let none of his words other than his opinions fall to the ground"
I have to agree fully with this scripture...not meaning to offend anyone, but sometimes i think that we try to reason what the prophet said just to satisfy our own desires,in order to justify what we do, we say that it was just his opinion... i think that it is something we should be careful with ....

Lord Bless

[NeedGod]

i am yet to find something i disagree with in the messages. you see, God used the prophet and i believe this. well, what i think is you should all let the Lord use you and ask HIm to direct you all as you read the Word. He will show you. If you have the smallest doublt about something and you wonder if it is wrong, well, pray. prayer can do things that o human mind can fathom.

[AgapZoe]

i am yet to find something i disagree with in the messages. you see, God used the prophet and i believe this. well, what i think is you should all let the Lord use you and ask HIm to direct you all as you read the Word. He will show you. If you have the smallest doublt about something and you wonder if it is wrong, well, pray. prayer can do things that o human mind can fathom.

well, i do agree with namwacha on this on too that we should be really careful on whatever we try to reason when it comes to the message brought unto us by the prophet of this age. you know, my dear bro's and sisters, i like to believe that all that brother Branham used to say infront of congregations wasn't him but it was the power of God in him, it was God himself dwelling in him that was speaking and doing all those works and that's why i believe, he used to go and listen to his tapes too for he had no idea of what he used to speak. i strongly believe that it was the great voice that spake.
God bless.
Halima.

[NeedGod]

thanks cuz. also i agree with her. i wanted to add that we should be care ful l with things we want to disagree with because we dont like them. maybe it is just that we want not to follow them and we are looking for excuses like the women who preach do. you dont like it so you say it doesnt matter. all in all, let God lead you.

[morning_mist]

This is what I know that God has sent a prophet in our age to bring the Message of the Hour......I do not question or determine which is the prophet's opinion or God's word....what I just believe that Lord will not reveal it to the people unless He will reveal it first to His servants the prophets....I just love reading the Message cause that's our Spiritual Food in this dying generation :).

[NeedGod]

i also love reading it. before, i used to be embarresed, but today i was reading some of it in class and i felt real good. it makes me feel like dancing. when it says, God loves us, i feel raptured.

[blessed]

last night i listened to Satan's eden, its a message preached in 1965, not sure of the number cause im at work now...but i think you all should listen to it had some interesting stuff.

And even if i don't understand why the prophet may have said something i respect it and leave it alone the Lord will reveal it to me in his own time, don't try to reason cause often you can reason your way out of the word.

[NeedGod]

yeah, the devil makes that so possible. he give one reasons to disbelieve the word every time

[HotShot53]

While I agree that Bro. Branham was a prophet and that God spoke through him and we should listen hard to what he says, I don't think we should just take everything he said as though God said it himself unless it was "thus sayest the Lord". Bro. Branham was still a man and did make mistakes. That doesn't mean we should just pick and choose what we want to believe from what he said, either. We still have to test everything by the Bible, and it's pretty hard to throw out stuff Bro. Branham said without going against the Bible.

[Mick_Mack89]

I'd have to agree with hotshot. When Bro. Branham said "thus sayeth the Lord" I believe that to be undeniable truth. But I can't just blindly follow everthing he ever said or did. For instance, what about when Bro. Branham said that Martin Luther King would lead millions to their death? (please correct me if I mistated that) I have heard that a lady came up after church and aked him about it, and that he said it was his personal opinion. And also Bro. Branham allowed a Christmas tree in his house, even when he felt them to be wrong. From what I understand, he allowed the tree because he was away so much from his family and they wanted the tree.

[JoeC]

I think we are on really thin ice when we try to determine what was from the Lord and what was Brother Branham's opinions. Keep in mind, even his opinions were formed and affected by the Holy Ghost - Brother Branham allowed the Holy Spirit to permeate every area of his life.

If we have enough confidence in Brother Branham to believe that he would go back and correct what he said if the Holy Spirit convicted him, then we should have the confidence to take his opinion above our own. I really think there should be VERY FEW times where we just say "Well, that's his opinion and that's all."

[Mick_Mack89]

Well said once again.

[BroTrevor]

I understand there are things that He did, that wouldn't be correct. I'm not saying the man William Branham is perfect. He even admited that he lied (or had his wife lie for him) that he was "out". He had to go make that right before he could pray for a baby. He (the man) had faults. He was a sinner saved by Grace the same as I.

I am deresent to say tho, that what Bro Branham said on tape is opinion or not. As JoeC said, we're treading on some thin ice there.

While it is indisputable that it wasn't the right thing for Elisha to curse 42 children to their deaths by bears, especially since it was their parents fault anyhow, he still said it, and God honored that gift to such a place that it came to pass. Was THAT THUS SAITH THE LORD? Did it come to pass?

Heavy words there.

Also I again point to Paul distinctly giving us his opinion in the scriptures. Yet God thought enough about it to place it in His holy Word...which of course Bro Branham tells us that God watched over. So I don't think God would have just let Paul's opinion make it throughout 2000 years of translations and findings.

My other thought was I think taking what Bro Branham said on tape and deciding what is opinion and what is thus saith the Lord is hard to distinguish. How many times did he tell us about how some people didn't think Mark 16 was inspired. Well, what's inspired and what isn't?

With regards to the Martin Luther King thought, I too haven't come to a rest with that. However, I trust a prophet of the Lord more than I trust my history book typically. I'm not saying there's some big cover up over millions of people dying...but no one understood how a virgin was going to conceve either.

My thoughts on the subject anyhow.

God Bless!

-Trevor

[NeedGod]

yeah, i agree with you joe too. we are on thin ice. and on regard to martin luther, martin luther did lead millions of people to their deaths if i remember correctly. many blacks did die during that time. anyhow, tread carefully here, especially if what you want to disagree with is only what makes you uncomfortable. also, remember what a preacher says on the pulpit is usually led by the HOly Spirit, how much more so the prophet? and whatever he said, his opinion or not, the Lord allowed it on that tape for a reason. God wouldnt have allowed it on there otherwise. so, pray about this.

[AgapZoe]

God bless y'all,
I just joined this forum this week and trust me, it's been like a home that I come to at the end of a really hectic day!!! :)
But then I am really concerned about you guys...are y'all normal??? :think:
mmmhhh!!!(I don't think you wanna answer that one coz...)
Anyhow, I have been reading on the responses on "Br.Branham's Opinion" and they have really got me into a concerned state.
No ofence meant but you guys..not all of you though, don't you think you are going a bit too far? The long way I have come in this message, I have never come across a place where the prophet uttered something that was contrary to the Bible which I believe all of you know and believe that it's the Word of God!! :peep: (anyone who doesn't??)
Anyway, Let's be careful brethren on this one...Let me hear more from you before I proceed...
thanks.
Much love,
Halima.

[NeedGod]

i think it is good you think that we should value the prophets opinion. i do, and i think he said things when he preached when he was under the annointing. still, i think it is good that people are voicing their questions and concerns about it. this way, we can all help each other grow in the word. if we did not voice our concerns, we would not be able to grow as we would not be helped. you understand?

[HotShot53]

I wasn't saying that Bro. Branham ever said anything contrary to the Bible... I was saying that he did express an occasional opinion that the Bible never dealt with, and that although we should definitely consider his opinion strongly, it wasn't necessarily always the only right opinion just because he was Bro. Branham.

[NeedGod]

here is a quote that is in another thread. if you are unsure of anything, just leave it alone. well, thats the best advice i can give you. anything at all. so if you are unsure of whether anything he said was not right, dont do it. just leave it alone, lest you do it all wrong. let the HOly Spirit guide you.

[elizabeth]

Bro. Branham mentioned this in one of his meetings:
Everytime Jesus said, "It is written," He defeated Satan. You choose the promise in God's Word, and everytime you use the Word in faith, Satan will leave you. This is the Word of God and if what I say does not correspond with this, then my words are no good. But if my words corresponds with God's Word then God will respect them, which He has already done in previous meetings.

I agree with someone who said something like we should match bro. branham's words with the Scripture. Coz sometimes it bothers me when i read something that i thought is not Scriptural. I don't really find it on purpose at times but when I read the Bible I just find it there. I do get confused with the message but I asked God about it and He gives me answers through the Scripture and I am very happy when He does.

[Angelo]

I love the conversation... very interesting... :thumbup:

[NeedGod]

yeah well, elizabeth, i see what you are saying. still, if you are sure about it, you go ahead, but if you have even a slight question, i repeat, leave whatever it is alone. one more thing, remember to read everything in the message not just bits and pieces. this way you will get it all.

[eagleendtime]

Not resurect old arguements, but here is what Bro. Branham said about a prophet and those who limited when to believe it was the Lord.

THE.QUEEN.OF.THE.SOUTH_ SHREVEPORT.LA SUNDAY_ 60-1127E
E-89 Here not long ago there was a man in a certain meeting just didn't believe in my teaching on the Bible. And he goes to a meeting, a certain fellow did, and not knowing that I'd know about it, 'cause he's no more than saying it, and I seen it in a vision in my hotel room. I don't see how some people can do that, and come up, and say these things, when you know you know better. See?
So he said, "Now, Brother Branham is a prophet of the Lord," he said, "but don't listen to his teaching, because he's wrong."
The same Holy Spirit that preached the service tonight, the same Holy Spirit preaches all these things is the same Holy Spirit that discerns the thoughts of the heart. Certainly.

THE.QUEEN.OF.THE.SOUTH_ SHREVEPORT.LA SUNDAY_ 60-1127E
E-90 What is the mark of a prophet? He's a divine interpreter of the Divine Word. That's exactly. The Word of the Lord came to the prophet. That's who it came to, not the theologian, the prophet. Do you know what "prophet" means? Take the dictionary, and look, and see what it means: "An interpreter of the Divine Word."
And then come and say such as that... See how... People just got so churchy, till they don't know God no more. That's it. That's what makes us so mulely. Uh-huh. It's just... You want to get back to that stage of real genuine Holy Ghost faith.
Yeah, I see one man I know, this Baptist brother sitting over here Brother Daulton. I want to say something. I'm expecting, Brother Daulton, you see why I'm lining him up there about. How many heard the story the squirrels and things? You all did down here, I guess, and so forth.

THE.EPHESIAN.CHURCH.AGE_ JEFF.IN ROJC 131-183 MONDAY_ 60-1205
171 Somebody, not long ago, up there, said, "Brother Branham, come out to the Chautauqua." How many was at the Chautauqua? Why, just looky here, a third of the church or more was at Chautauqua. Which... Now, that man got up there that afternoon, and you all heard him, not knowing that I'd know about it. God can reveal in the room up there what they're saying down there, and, you know, He did do it. Come up there, said, "Now, Brother Branham, oh, he's a servant of the Lord. When the Spirit is upon him, he's anointed prophet; he sure knows; God tells him what is and what's going to be; but his theology, don't listen to that."
What a scrupled up idea. How a man can say that? Why, I haven't... Well, if you didn't know split beans from coffee, you'd--you'd know better than that. How can you ever think of such a thing as that? "Why?" Why, the very word "prophet" itself means "a Divine revelator of the Word." How can you... The Word of the Lord came to the prophet. I never said I was one; they said it. But there you are. See?

THE.WAY.OF.A.TRUE.PROPHET.OF.GOD_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-14 SUNDAY_ 62-0513M
29-4 A man, so-called teacher (which I don't say but he isn't) made a remark the other day before some of my friends at a certain city I'd been into. You know the brother. And this brother come in; he said...
Well, he said, "We had Brother Branham here once" (a certain city in--out west).
And this man said, "Oh, Brother Branham's a good man (See? He knowed better than to throw anything on the character.)," said, "Brother Branham, but don't you listen to his tapes, because it'll get you confused."
And there happened to be one of my friends standing there said, "Just a minute, sir. I was confused until I heard the tapes." And that's the difference. Said, "I couldn't understand how a holy God would put up with such things as that, as you all do."
Same person, another one with him, stood at a certain place not long ago, said, "Brother Branham is a prophet; he can discern things and things like"; but said, "now, don't listen to his doctrine, 'cause he's not right."

FELLOWSHIP_ GREEN.LAKE.WI SATURDAY_ 62-0519
E-9 Some time ago, a friend just wrote me a letter. There was a person standing there by this friend, said, "Brother Branham is a prophet when he's under the anointing." But said, "Don't listen to his teaching. It's wrong."
Now, could you imagine a person say that? A prophet? Why, that's who the Word of the Lord come to. They had... They was the only one that had the interpretation of the Word. I'm not a prophet. I don't claim to be any prophet. But I say... If--if any person that wouldn't admit that the Word of God is right, regardless of how we have to cut ourself.
We can't cut our--our... We got to cut ourself to match God's Word. We can't cut our--our--God's Word to match what we think. We got to keep in the Word.
And someone come not long ago and said, "This doctrine, this thing that you believe," said, "if the Angel of the Lord told you that, we'll believe it." A group of ministers.
I said, "The Angel of the Lord? If he said anything different, I wouldn't believe him."


Here is another thought, on the day of Pentecost, when Peter said "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. " No thus saith the Lord here, but we treat it exactly that way, Why? He was under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, Need I say more about Bro Branham's preaching.

It would be wise to limit Bro. Branham's mistakes to those he confessed as such (the lie, listening to others[south Africa], etc,) to say it was anything he preached would indeed be treading on very thin ice, if that. If anything it would be our understanding that is at fault.

Before God made himself real to me, I had checked out what Bro. Branham said for nearly a year, nothing I ever found was contrary to the Bible.

[joris]

FELLOWSHIP_ GREEN.LAKE.WI SATURDAY_ 62-0519
E-9 ... I'm not a prophet. I don't claim to be any prophet.uh-oh :huh:
that isn't a real quote right? you made it up right? tell me this isn't for real.

[AndrewMichael]

uh-oh :huh:
that isn't a real quote right? you made it up right? tell me this isn't for real.

John the Baptist said he wasn't the prophecied Elijah either ... Its the act of humility.

If Brother Branham would just said "I AM THE PROPHET!" it would have went against every spiritual pattern thorought scripture.

I'd say more if I didnt' have this pounding headache right now.

[marichino_freedom]

it's the humbleness.

[joris]

John the Baptist said he wasn't the prophecied Elijah either ... Its the act of humility.when did he say that? I thought he just made clear he was not the Messiah :confused:

[joris]

that's very strange, John denying that; but I found it:
Joh1:21 En zij vraagden hem: Wat dan? Zijt gij Elías? En hij zeide: Ik ben die niet. Zijt gij de profeet? En hij antwoordde: Neen.

[Jezz]

John the Baptist said he wasn't the prophecied Elijah either ... Its the act of humility.

From my understanding he basically said he wasn't Brother Branham, he wasn't that prophesied Elijah.

[eagleendtime]

Here is another set of famous words I hear in many discussions, especially with people who don't follow this message. "I just read the bible", " I take only what the bible says", "your following a man" etc. etc.

Well consider this before you speak - What bible did Abraham have? What bible did David have? There was no new testament written for one to read on the day of Pentecost! Paul's epistles where scattered among several churches before ever assembled! Paul was a man, did he have the word of the Lord, or would you have stayed just with the word then 'Old Testament'.

How many denominations are there, last I heard over 3000. So how are you going to know what is correct. OH yeah, every man is right in his own eyes, I forgot - No way! It's God's way, he sent a prophet to give us GOD"S INTERPRETATION of HIS WORD, to put a balance to it - the middle of the road.

Yes I'll take God's Word over any man's word, not my interpretation or ideas of what the bible says --- but What God says it is.

As a final note: before you speak, have you spent a year cross examining this message with the bible to see if it lines up or not. I did before I came in. Why don't you spend the time to study God's word? Do you read your bible three times a day (Daniel prayed three times)? Do you listen to tapes? Do you use your message search engine FOLIO to check things out? Do you pray for God to help you understand his word? Do you wait for God or do you this jump in and spout off? If you don't wait that is probably how you will get married.

I just got back from Wednesday service, and we watched Bro. Branham's films, I'm just a little wound up, and some other threads I have bumped into this questioning the Prophet, or did he make a mistake. Opinions are fine, but are you willing to stand on the Day of Judgment for giving an opinion that caused someone to stumble.

I am personally challenging all who read this post to sit down for a month in prayer and cross examine this message with your bible. Be dedicated to the Lord and see what he will do for you. Search the scriptures, for they have eternal life.
If this isn't the truth to you, then go find it, for the Hour is getting late.

[joris]

As a final note: before you speak, have you spent a year cross examining this message with the bible to see if it lines up or not.I've seen some quotes of Branham... which you interpreted rather different (yes, interpreted: the text it came from wouldn't give anything else than the rather troublesome quote): I kinda sometimes don't get his ways of expressing himself, him saying "you must get divorced" and not meaning "get divorced", that kinda stuff

Oh and his ways of attacking people I dislike - him speaking about individuals who are struggling with sin and he judges it? I don't like that at all (well you tell me you interpret that in another way; fine but...) and that... maybe it's that I'm just angry with that
I don't believe it's necessary for a prophet to attack people like that, no man, I don't think there's any need for that. I'm glad God wouldn't attack me like that, talking about me behind my back, no way He would not do that!

[eagleendtime]

Bro. Branham never spoke behind any one's back. Now that you said that brother, I am asking you to bring your evidence. Search the scriptures.

Love is corrective. Thei Bible clearly states the condition of a sinner. The prophets of old, called sin sin. John the Baptist told Herod he shouldn't have Herodias. Elijah called Ahab on the carpet also concerning righteous Naboth's death. Paul smote a man blind. God calls sin black, unbelief black. Except a man believes he shall perish.

[eagleendtime]

LUKE 19:45
45 And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;

LUKE 19:46
46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.


Jesus did this also

[joris]

Bro. Branham never spoke behind any one's back. Now that you said that brother, I am asking you to bring your evidence. Search the scriptures.
IF.GOD.BE.WITH.US.THEN.WHERE.IS.ALL.THE.MIRACLES_ JEFF.IN V-15 N-1 SUNDAY_ 61-1231E
101 <- Right there, just as I said, him attacking christians who are struggling with sin (instead of, say, helping out)

[blessed]

I would suggest u read more before coming to that conclusion Joris... that's the problem today... people don't want to hear the truth.. they prefer to hear about only the good things, accept the Lord Jesus and we all go to heaven... baby's milk. God is coming for a Bride in his image and in order for that to happen since we are all born in sin and shaped in iniquity sin must be exposed.

Eagles feed on meat... raw meat with all the blood draining out. Sin is sin and God hates sin and sin must be exposed...When the holy spirit attacks sin and exposes it, we must say thank you Lord... and get down on our knees and repent and ask the Lord for strength.. not say that minister is attacking me.. To often I see that even among believers... babying and polishing up sin.

[BroTrevor]

IF.GOD.BE.WITH.US.THEN.WHERE.IS.ALL.THE.MIRACLES_ JEFF.IN V-15 N-1 SUNDAY_ 61-1231E
101 <- Right there, just as I said, him attacking christians who are struggling with sin (instead of, say, helping out)


What if they didn't know cutting their hair was wrong?

His point was valid. How can you claim to know God and be just fine, while continuing in your sin? If they were genuinely struggling with it, that might be one thing. But if they are complacent in their sin, and think their fine...how exactly do you "help out"?

[Benoni]

I bel;ieve that all things whatsoever Bro Banham preached was right and correct. I dont care what. i only care that i be Christian! Cocerning Moses, he hit the rock(Christ), Abraham lied to a king and the king was almost going to sleep with Sarah, what did God do, he told the king," go to Abraham and he prays for you!" "but he lied to me," was the response!
"He is my prophet, go and he lays hands on you or else your kingdom is doomed"

Well, the king, to all human undertanding was right and correct. But not with God. God will respect what he has placed in His sent one. To differ from him, one will pay a heavy price. And what does Jesus tell the people in Matt 23 : 1-3? That because Pharisees were seating in Moses' seat, the people shopuld listen to them and do what they say! One wonders ? God , up to now was telling His pple to follow and do what someone who sat in the seat (of a person who disobeyed) moses, held.

Prophets of God are his mouthpiece. When they say it, your duty is to follow it religiously!!
In the name of saying not all the prophet said was absolute, men have risen, vindicating themselves or vindicated by "indicated" men to say things that are not said by the prophet.
Bro Branham was told to store the food. Since it is stored, i will eat it. The endtime revival will come through the message (sermons of Bro. Branham). He says,"Say what the tape says!" and keep in the line!!!!

There is no much God is going to let us know than what He has revealed through the ministry of Bro. Branham.

However, knowing what bro. Branham preaches, needs one to have the holyghost himself! These are not words of a man that through literacy you can scrutinize them and believe! You need God and that will be it. Having the God of Branham in your heart does not mean that you will not need the message, you will instead be able to recieve it then!

Brethren, this that i write here is my strong opinion as a single believer.
I appreciate your contributions.
Benoni


Hey blessed :) Thanks for you post.

perhaps, perhaps not because the SAME God who was in him, is in US also. He may have been God's choosen one for this day, but again we need to remember that same God that spoke through him can also speak through us. Look at Moses, he struck the stone and didnt speak the word as he was commanded and, sure water still came out, but he was punished for it, and dont forget Jonah got swallowed by a whale. Prophets are the voice pieces of God but not everything they say or do is always what God said to.

Thats why that revealed word of God in our hearts is so important. thats why we need his token so that the things of this earth, though so close in imitating our prophets and beliefs Such as with the topic on music here, the music sounds good but is it of God?, its a big imitation but It can not fool Gods elected.

Bro Branhams comments maybe important things for us to look at, but we still need to take them back to God's Word as with anything, even what our pastors say.

[BroTrevor]

Excellent contributions Benoni!

[marichino_freedom]

I would suggest u read more before coming to that conclusion Joris... that's the problem today... people don't want to hear the truth.. they prefer to hear about only the good things, accept the Lord Jesus and we all go to heaven... baby's milk. God is coming for a Bride in his image and in order for that to happen since we are all born in sin and shaped in iniquity sin must be exposed.

Eagles feed on meat... raw meat with all the blood draining out. Sin is sin and God hates sin and sin must be exposed...When the holy spirit attacks sin and exposes it, we must say thank you Lord... and get down on our knees and repent and ask the Lord for strength.. not say that minister is attacking me.. To often I see that even among believers... babying and polishing up sin.

i agree.....i would rather KNOW what i am doing wrong than be going along thinking its all good.

[Jezz]

Brother Branham had to stand with the Word as we do also. He cannot compromise on the Word just to pander to other people's desires of sin. If Brother Branham judges people he judges them according to the Word and nothing else. My pastor was reading a book about people's experiences with Brother Branham and throughout that book everyone that met him said he was a kind, Christian and amazingly loving person. Just because somebody is a kind and loving person do they then tell people the truth when they are on the path to hell? No! God's love is a corrective love, he won't watching idly as his child commits sin, he will discipline that child, correct that child.

Brother Branham only preached against women cutting their hair, men wearing shorts and things like that because the preachers and pastors weren't doing that as they should have been, he should have been bringing the strong Word and helping bring the Bride to perfection. I believe Brother Branham once described it like a game of NFL where the other players on his team weren't blocking for him and were leaving him out to dry.

[joris]

my comments weren't specific about hair, in fact.
well that may be your interpretation, me I'm not so convinced he needs to make an example of people like that to indicate what's on Lords heart

[BroTrevor]

my comments weren't specific about hair, in fact.
well that may be your interpretation, me I'm not so convinced he needs to make an example of people like that to indicate what's on Lords heart

How do you think he should have handled it then??

Scenario: You are a preacher and you are speaking to a mixed denomination congregation. These people know all about Jesus dying for them and accept that, yet they aren't following all the Word. What do you say to them? What do you do?

[joris]

Scenario: You are a preacher and you are speaking to a mixed denomination congregation. These people know all about Jesus dying for them and accept that, yet they aren't following all the Word. What do you say to them? What do you do?I'm not a preacher; you being a preacher, you have no way to show something but by setting someone struggling as an example?
Just imagine Lord doing the same to you, showing the whole world all the sins you are committing, and inviting that whole world to judge you - maybe then you get what's so "funny" about that way of setting an example

[BroTrevor]

I'm not a preacher; you being a preacher, you have no way to show something but by setting someone struggling as an example?
Just imagine Lord doing the same to you, showing the whole world all the sins you are committing, and inviting that whole world to judge you - maybe then you get what's so "funny" about that way of setting an example

so you don't have a better recommendation then?


And again, I don't know so much that he was showing an example of someone STRUGGLING. I think they were more COMPLACENT. Big difference in how I would handle the two personally.

[eagleendtime]

IF.GOD.BE.WITH.US.THEN.WHERE.IS.ALL.THE.MIRACLES_ JEFF.IN V-15 N-1 SUNDAY_ 61-1231E
101 If God be God, where is His miracles? If God's with us, where is His miracles? If God is with the Methodist church, why is all the women still wearing bobbed hair? If God is with the Baptist church, then why does the pastor still smoke cigarettes, many of them? Why do they still deny the power of the--of God to heal the sick, and to raise the dead, and to speak in tongues, and interpret tongues, and gifts of prophecy? Why do they still deny it, if the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament's still the same God? If the God of the New Testament, the Holy Ghost, is still the God the Pentecostals claim, why don't they break down their walls of partition, and fussing at one another, and become borned again Christians? Sure. No. One won't even speak to the other one. See, the sacrifice hasn't been consumed. They go through sensations; they've done that all their--all through the ages. Under idols they done sensations.

God is trying to shake these supposed religious people.
Just as
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

For if they don't realize they are sinners they will perish thinking they are saved. The marks of unbelief must be preached, so one who thinks they are saved will realize they aren't saved, and repent and be saved.

[TommyLewis]

It seems pretty obvious that he isn't attacking people in that quote. He is simply pointing out inconsistencies in peoples actions as related to their claims.
Suppose someone comes to me and says, "I am a redhead." If I look at this person, who I can see has brown hair, and say "No, actually you have brown hair." I am not attacking this person, I'm just pointing out inconsistencies between what he says and what the evidence shows. Thats what Bro Branham was doing in the quote.

As for the original topic of this thread, Bro. Branham was a man. He made mistakes just as the other prophets did. If we are going to claim, as some here seem to be doing, that God would make sure that everything he said would come to pass, what do we do with the quote earlier in this thread where Bro. Branham said he was not a prophet? Did God make him not be a prophet to fulfill this quote? I don't believe so.

Bro Branham made mistakes. To put it in his own words:
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
494-1 {230} Now, yes I meant... Forgive me, please. I... And--and brethren, you on the tape out there, and friends, listen: I didn't mean to say that like that. I--I--I'm a minister of the Gospel; I... Many times as I've preached that, I knowed that was seven thousand. I just happened to say seven hundred. I didn't mean just seven hundred, I meant, you... I just didn't read it out of the Scripture. It just come to my mind while I was talking, and I just said seven hundred instead of seven thousand. I make them mistakes all the time. I'm--I'm a--sure a dummy, so you forgive me. See? I didn't mean to do that.

That being said, if it comes down to a situation where it is my opinion vs Bro Branham's, I will take his opinion every single time. I am, however, careful to not get in a position where I am attributing infallability to him, because to make him infallible is to make him God, as only God is infallible.

[Benoni]

Thanx bro,
This is a pretty good contribution. I Like it. Dont you see the prophet of God corrects himself. So when he was done with all things, nothing remaining for the 7th age , that needs be known, God packed him off in an accident. Thats why, all he already said, especially to the church i take without hesitation.

About the quote that Branham said that he was not a prophet, isee it very clearly. He said, "them people say i am." All ministers always try to diminish themselves down to let God be the attraction. When Bro. John Baptist denied being the one, pharisees were confused , and Jesus comes later to say Elias come already. If it were to take things flat, we would say,"the prophet lied, Jesus has disproved him!"

I have seen very many preacher preaching very hard and with demonstration of power of God and yet cry out," I wish i was a preacher , i would start now!" Yet they are and are doing it anyhow.

Paul cried out and said, "oh wrecthed man that i am!" what he wished to do, he did not. His shodows healing the sick!??

I beleive at points where such men of God say such statements is when they are emphasising human inefficiency so that they dont take centre stage. I have it that they are trying not to use the gift in them to attraact poor people who are desperate for answers!

Moses, he did marry a black, that was not allowed according to the practices that were among the Jews, but let Aaron and miriam raise it, leprosy! Maybe those of Korah and Dathan could emphasize such seemingly wrong actions of their prophet to cement their arguement. Thats exactly where the problem is! We are not having these discussions for nothing, no, there is a spirit behind us. It wants to get us to a point where we shall start saying , ahh, after all he was a man( which is true), he made mistakes(yes!), so maybe(see where satan comes in) such and such a thing he said could have been a mistake(finished.) ....... at this point unbelief will have been enclosed in your heart and removing it is possible but takes as hard effort as it took to get in and maybe even more( actaully usually)

That is the point where some preachers have gone out to "edit " the message to remove what is wrong and sometimes tell what he (the prophet) 'really' meant as if they they can anwer some questions like
1. Where were you when i commissioned my messenger?
2. Where were you when i appeared to him on mt Sunset?
3. Where were you when i met him in the cage?
Then:
Who are you to edit the message that i gave him?

Say only what the tape says? yeah, and its absolute.
I lOve God becoz he first loved me. and because he has given me the grace to see the truth of the hour .

What if i lived in the days of pharisees and also participated in saying," Jesus made a mistake , how could he eat with sinners?" Well, it was a mistake, in human eyes, but God was doing something in their day that they hadnt seen. I think even tody, if i found abrother standing on the street with prostitutes , i would shake my head.
God bless you all
I LOVE YOU


It seems pretty obvious that he isn't attacking people in that quote. He is simply pointing out inconsistencies in peoples actions as related to their claims.
Suppose someone comes to me and says, "I am a redhead." If I look at this person, who I can see has brown hair, and say "No, actually you have brown hair." I am not attacking this person, I'm just pointing out inconsistencies between what he says and what the evidence shows. Thats what Bro Branham was doing in the quote.

As for the original topic of this thread, Bro. Branham was a man. He made mistakes just as the other prophets did. If we are going to claim, as some here seem to be doing, that God would make sure that everything he said would come to pass, what do we do with the quote earlier in this thread where Bro. Branham said he was not a prophet? Did God make him not be a prophet to fulfill this quote? I don't believe so.

Bro Branham made mistakes. To put it in his own words:
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
494-1 {230} Now, yes I meant... Forgive me, please. I... And--and brethren, you on the tape out there, and friends, listen: I didn't mean to say that like that. I--I--I'm a minister of the Gospel; I... Many times as I've preached that, I knowed that was seven thousand. I just happened to say seven hundred. I didn't mean just seven hundred, I meant, you... I just didn't read it out of the Scripture. It just come to my mind while I was talking, and I just said seven hundred instead of seven thousand. I make them mistakes all the time. I'm--I'm a--sure a dummy, so you forgive me. See? I didn't mean to do that.

That being said, if it comes down to a situation where it is my opinion vs Bro Branham's, I will take his opinion every single time. I am, however, careful to not get in a position where I am attributing infallability to him, because to make him infallible is to make him God, as only God is infallible.

[marichino_freedom]

Brother Branham never "attacked" anyone.....and I don't think he was pointing out people's faults to let others judge them. People willingly went to hear him speak, and he was only trying to help them, just like we are on here to help one another and support each other. If people are sinning, its better to set them onto the path of righteousness, then to let them carry on and end up in the wrong place.

[leahmb]

Moses, he did marry a black

He did? I never knew that.....Where is that explained?

[SisTrev]

He did? I never knew that.....Where is that explained?

He married an etheopian...they are black.

FAITH.COMETH.BY.HEARING_ CHICAGO.IL SATURDAY_ 54-0320
E-37 There is a anointing, a personal... Now, there is such a thing as maybe, you know, like one time there was... Wasn't Moses made fun of by his sister and his brother one time because he married a colored girl, Ethiopian girl? And didn't they make fun? And God happened to be present and heard it. Was that right?

[BroTrevor]

He did? I never knew that.....Where is that explained?

I believe his wife was Ethiopian

NUMBERS 12:1
1 ¶ And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

[Edit]
Oh...hey look, SisTrev beat me to it..
Man I'm proud of that girl!

[leahmb]

Thank you! That's so weird; I've never heard it mentioned before. But now I know....maybe watching Ten Commandments confused me, because I don't think she was dark skinned in it :)

[marichino_freedom]

i didnt know Tzipporah was eithiopian. why did i think she was midianite?

[SisTrev]

Thank you! That's so weird; I've never heard it mentioned before. But now I know....maybe watching Ten Commandments confused me, because I don't think she was dark skinned in it :)

no she wasnt in the movie. im sure they did that on purpose when they made it.

[leahmb]

i didnt know Tzipporah was eithiopian. why did i think she was midianite?

She was that too; her father was the priest of Midian (I think), so maybe it was more like a citizenship identification??? I'm just guessing on that one.

[leahmb]

no she wasnt in the movie. im sure they did that on purpose when they made it.

Considering the time it was made in America, most likely that is true.

[marichino_freedom]

hollywood has to make things difficult!!!!

[Nate]

The movie is never as good as the book.

[marichino_freedom]

thats true.....i liked the dreamworks cartoon version. a bit hokey in parts, but it was cute

[SisTrev]

yeah...my boys love that one. My 3 year old walked around for days after seeing it, pretending to be Moses. I even had to call him Moses. It was rather cute.

[redeemed_lizzi]

She was that too; her father was the priest of Midian (I think), so maybe it was more like a citizenship identification??? I'm just guessing on that one.

It was Moses' second wife Keturah who was Ehtiopian. She was the one Miriam was making fun of and God punished her for it.

[SisTrev]

It was Moses' second wife Keturah who was Ehtiopian. She was the one Miriam was making fun of and God punished her for it.

ummm...I've never heard that ...do you have a quote or verse to show me where its at? Not that i'm doubting your word but I've never heard that.

[leahmb]

It was Moses' second wife Keturah who was Ehtiopian. She was the one Miriam was making fun of and God punished her for it.

??? I just read Genesis 25:1 and it says "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah." Was this who you were thinking of? Or did Moses have a wife with the same name?

[Nate]

Heh. How many animals did Moses take on the ark?

[BroTrevor]

Heh. How many animals did Moses take on the ark?


Letsee.... 2 x all the normal kinds of animals...

then 7 times the bird kinds...

x 0 because Moses never brought any animals on the ark, Noah did.

[Nate]

Letsee.... 2 x all the normal kinds of animals...

then 7 times the bird kinds...

x 0 because Moses never brought any animals on the ark, Noah did.

Shhh. You weren't supposed to say that.

[eagleendtime]

Letsee.... 2 x all the normal kinds of animals...

then 7 times the bird kinds...

x 0 because Moses never brought any animals on the ark, Noah did.

Now hold on here, I was going to post something like that. But I am two hours too late. I was commuting at the time.

Bro. Trevor, I hate to do this to you, but wasn't it 2 that are not clean, and sevens of every clean beast (in addtion to the sevens for the fowls).

Irregardless your math still had the right answer.

[blessed]

Hi folks wayy past my bedtime... trying to get the scriptures... one more misisng

Exodous chpt 2 vs 20

Numbers 11 vs 29

<Edit> Numbers 12 vs 1.....

I particullary like that chapter because it shows us that we must always have the right attitude towards God's prophet.

Sometimes.. I wonder if we are saying also "Had the Lord God spoken only by William Branham, had he not spoken also by us?" and the Lord heard it. vs 3 Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth... I encourage you for you answer to the title of this thread... read the whole chapter.

[redeemed_lizzi]

??? I just read Genesis 25:1 and it says "Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah." Was this who you were thinking of? Or did Moses have a wife with the same name?

Oops, sorry that was my fault. For some reason I always think Keturah was Moses' wife. I have no idea why my thought process is this way ;). Maybe Keturah sounds Ethiopian......hmmm.

Anyway, Numbers 12:1-15

1And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.....

It goes on to say how God was displeased with them both and how they were punished.

[redeemed_lizzi]

Now I'm not sure if this is referring to Zipporah or if Moses took a second wife.

[azurity]

As far as I know, Moses only had one wife, and that was Zipporah.

It was Abraham that took another wife, after Sarah died.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

[eagleendtime]

Your right, and for the record

Abraham had Sarah and Hagar (concubine). After Sarah passed away, he had Keturah.

Moses had only one and that was Zipporah (with a temper to match his).

[redeemed_lizzi]

Zipporah was a Midianite, a descendant of Midian one of the sons of Abraham and Keturah (Genisis 25:2) and not an Ethiopian. Midian territory went as far as the Sinai Penninsula and Ethiopia is in East Africa. That's why I always thought that Moses either married again or had a concubine who was Ethiopian.

However, I've strayed way off the original topic of this thread. Opinion or not, if I'm not sure I leave well alone and take what Bro Branham said. Ultimately I have always found that the things I am unsure about, he is right about.

There are many things that I'm confused about and have questions about eg the Martin Luther King aspect that someone mentioned earlier. But, if you have the One Bro Branham came to introduce, all ifs, buts and maybes fly out of the window. I feel that if God knows that you have the need to understand something that Bro Branham said, then He will reveal it to You. I'm not saying you must walk 'blindly', but that you must have faith in God's word and His prophet.

I have found out the hard way, that taking an opinion you may think is wrong and bending it to suit you, or discarding it only as an opinion, more often than not has disasterous results.

[BroTrevor]

Zipporah was a Midianite, a descendant of Midian one of the sons of Abraham and Keturah (Genisis 25:2) and not an Ethiopian. Midian territory went as far as the Sinai Penninsula and Ethiopia is in East Africa. That's why I always thought that Moses either married again or had a concubine who was Ethiopian.


It's always possible that Jethro's wife was Ethiopian. Not being there, I guess we wont know. Of course, it's not one of things that reaaally matters when it comes down to it. There perhaps hundreds of explanations that we just don't have the background info too.

[AgapZoe]

well,but atleast there's gonna be a day that we'll know all the background infor,right? :-)
God bless you bro T. How's sis T and the kids?

[BroTrevor]

God bless you bro T. How's sis T and the kids?

Just fine thanks!

[redeemed_lizzi]

It's always possible that Jethro's wife was Ethiopian. Not being there, I guess we wont know. Of course, it's not one of things that reaaally matters when it comes down to it......

Very true..........(Sometimes I hate the fact that you can't post only two words)

[AgapZoe]

Very true..........(Sometimes I hate the fact that you can't post only two words)

Let alone two! at times I just want to say ONE WORD...but then I have to put some marks..like dashes,exclamations...etc..to make the post 'postable'..and at times..it's sooo 'irritating'..;)

[Benoni]

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