Music Continued

[Snoopy]

This whole thread about music has really struck a chord with me (no pun intended). I suppose as a musician and a ardent lover and connoisseur of good music of all styles and cultural backgrounds, I resent, whether justifiably or no, people making such pointed judgements in the area of music. We have very little in the way of scripture regarding music, and the scriptures we do have are more or less ambiguous. For this reason I find it rather strange when people make such specific and authoritative qualifications of "good" and "godly" music. Many times I wonder if mere personal preference is being mistaken for the leading of the Holy Spirit.
I have to qualify that, though. I'm not saying any of you are doing that, it is merely a general attitude I find. There is NO doubt that much if not MOST of contemporary Christian music is unwholesome if not downright racket. There are certain spirits that are easily discernable such as the sensual "breathy" singing style that has become possible over the last few years. I believe that many songs become a worship of not even the singer neccessarily but of the song itself. However, there are PLENTY of good, wholesome, uplifting songs within even contemporary Christian circles.
The hardest thing to understand for me is how "cultural" music is influencing our worship to our detriment. To people of similar persuasion I would point out that you would have felt very out of place in the worship services of the early church. Much of the early church was located in asia-minor as you all well know. What kind of music do you think they played for their music service? Did they spontaneously invent the hymnal style of music that has been so popular over the last 500 years? The obvious answer is no. Their music would have reflected their distinct asian culture. To prove this, one has only to visit the various message churches around the world. The African bride, along with many of the songs we know so well, sing in a distinctly African style. Similarly, the believers in Pakistan sing worship songs that are unmistakably middle-eastern. To say that the influence of other cultures on our music is somehow detrimental is proposterous. On the contrary, I find the variety a blessing, a welcome change from the starchy hyms of the denominational age.
This brings me to my next point/question. Why is it we have done away with just about everything even smacking of denominationalism except our music? Much like the word for past ages, I believe many of the hymns (or at least the way we sing hymns) are outdated. Don't misunderstand, though. There is nothing wrong with hymns, I am simply asking why we are so eager to cling to a style that was formulated in the bowels of dead denominations. I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring. On the other hand, someone else might find them very uplifting. How can I say that those songs are uninspiried and outdated when someone is still blessed by them today? You can no more tell me that newer "contemporary" songs are uninspired when they bless me more than some of those old hymns ever did. Peoples' preferences for music are as different as their looks. It seems inconsistent to say that everyone is unique and then to turn around and say that everyone has to be inspired by the same type of music. The lack of variety among traditional hymns is underscored by the fact (and every musician out there will agree with me) that almost every hymn can be played with the knowledge of four or five different chords. In fact, many times when we sing a hymn that I have never head before I can predict, with near perfect accuracy, the progression of the melody. (This is the result of a common puritan origin. Puritan song writers strictly regulated the meter of their psalms and limited their lyrics to scripture only.) To be honest, I consider many of the old hymns to be far less joyful than the cheerful melody and rhythm of celtic music.
As for repetition, one would find the traditional Jewish worship music rather repulsive. One of the main features of Jewish music is its repetative lyrics. Almost every traditional Jewish song could be classified as a chorus (take it from a personal lover of messianic praise). Is there something inferior about such songs? Repetition is actually considered to be a poetic device and should not be shunned.
I have often wondered, too, about the soundness of the idea that all music must directly glorify God. Before you burn me at the stake let me ask a question. Why is it that we don't condemn looking at paintings that do not specifically glorify God? I seem to remember bro. Branham saying something to the effect that "God is in art." (I would give specific references but I don't have any kind of message searching software, no thanks to Voice of God). He also said something to the effect that Beethoven and all of those famous composers were inspired by God and that he listened to classical music to relax sometimes. What? The prophet listened to classical music? After all, in its day, classical music was contemporary; what sets it apart from today's contemporary music? The answer is art. Classical music is artistic while most contemporary music today is glorified noise. I believe, based on this, that we shouldn't be ashamed to enjoy music as long as it is beautiful and artistic. This is emphasized by Philippians 4:8:

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

This doesn't sound limited to Biblical or spiritual things.
That was rather off-topic since we are talking about the condition of message worship music...
I understand from reading a previous post that Bro. Branham emphasized singing old time music, and like I said, I don't see anything wrong with it. I think we could probably put a little more effort into it, you understand, but there is definitely nothing wrong with it. He said that it brought a special atmosphere. However, I don't think he meant that we should ONLY sing old time hyms anymore than we should put a period at the end of our statement of faith. To do so would be to deny the gifts of dozens of song writers in the message who compose music with the belief that they are being used by God. What happened to on-going revelation in music? If we REALLY wanted to "turn the hearts of the children back to the fathers" we should attempt to ressurect the style of worship of the early church (which would I would find not only edifying on a spiritual level but facinating on a historical and musical level).
To be perfectly candid I believe we could use alot MORE professionalism. Maybe it's my over-critical nature, but I find it hard to enter into a worshipful atmosphere with, much less enjoy badly recorded songs. But like I said, that's probably just a carnal feeling.
I must agree that it is VERY easy to get our focus off of the purpose of worship and singing songs. So often we sing without realizing who we're singing to and about what. However, I think it is erroneous to blame this on the style of music we sing to. If we have trouble keeping our focus on worshipping God it's because of immaturity and weakness, not because of a flaw in what music we worship to.

Anyhow, I just had to get that off my chest. I hope that articulates what many of you are trying to say.

[Babyruth]

I agree with a lot of what you have to say. My dad can't stand most of the "new" songs we sing at church. For him, many of them remind him of rock songs he used to listen to in the world. I on the other hand, enjoy many of the new contemporary songs. For me, I've never heard the old rock songs and I am just blessed by the inspiring words. Now, the inspiration for many songs in the contemporary christian world may not be all that good. Some songs may have the same tune or beat as an old Beatle's song or a different one. A believer must always be careful as to what is inspiring the music they listen to. However, many old hymns, one in particular, Amazing Grace, is the tune of a bar song. Who can say that Amazing Grace hasn't touched them? I don't know if I quite agree with your thoughts on hymns, I may not quite fully understand what you meant, but I love many of the old hymns. I love their words and what they mean. I'm not really a musician, so I don't really get too caught up with rhythms and beats, but to me, if God inspired it, it's good enough. I may not enjoy some songs as well as others, but I just think that God gave it to someone, so I can at least enjoy the words.

Probably the most important thing for me with music is if it makes me want to serve God and love Him more. If it doesn't, then I know it's just nice noise and I don't listen to it as much. For many contemporary christian songs, I can tell if they are good or not, at least for me, by how they make me feel. There is a certain presence that comes with true, God-filled, God-inspired songs that makes me want to serve God and makes me feel uplifted. Other ones, though they may have good words and a decent beat, I dont' get much from and they are just noise. Of course, what I feel led to listen to and what someone else feels led to listen to is completely different, but if there's a question, then it's probably not right, and if it doesn't make you want to serve God more or love Hime more, then don't waste your time.

There will always be someone who doesn't like something, but it truly is what God reveals to you. Don't let someone else dictate it to you, pray about it and do what God tells you to do, and if you have questions, you can always ask your pastor.

[Snoopy]

When it comes to the old hymns, all I was trying to say was that it's more a matter of preference than anything. Whether conscious or subconscious, what we deem "inspired" may have more to do with what kind of music we like. There are plenty of good old hymns, and like I said, alot of it is how we sing it more than the song itself.
I like what you said about "Amazing Grace" because it reminds me of another point I was going to make. People freak out when they hear a song that has the same rhythm or the same chord progression as an old rock song they know. The thing is, there are SO many rock songs that there's not a rhythm in the world that they haven't used. It's one of those situations where "you can't throw a stone without hitting a rock beat". The same goes for chords. My dad has told me several times that a song I listen to uses the same chords of an old rock song he used to listen to, but chances are you couldn't write a song without it sounding like SOME other song SOMEWHERE.

[FreeAtLast]

Snoopy, I strongly disagree with you.

Many many old hymns were written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. They are still a great big blessing for us and while singing them good old hymns many times the Holy Ghost comes down. (for example: songs of Fanny Crosby. Bro. Branham talks about her quite often)

Quote Snoopy""I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring.""
You seem to say the very opposite of the prophet himself. He always loved those good old hymns.

I earnestly hope that the "new message-songs" are written by the same inspiration. At times I doubt it a little - it seems like ppl try to sceeze as many big-message-words as possible into those songs. (for example: 7 seals, revelation, thunders, theophany...). Does that make all of those songs spiritual?

Something else: "Amazing Grace" was written by a former slave-trader that got converted. The origin of the melody is unknown.

[Snoopy]

I think you're thinking about the wrong Amazing Grace. I think babyruth was refering to the Amazing Grace that goes to the tune of "Danny Boy".

I didn't mean to say that those songs were uninspired. I said I don't find all of them inspiring, which is totally different. Moreover, that wasn't a blanket statement that covers all old hymns. Just to show you what I mean, here is a list of old (as far as I know) hymns that I love:

Amazing Grace (both versions)
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus
In the Garden
Swing Low (one of my favorite songs of all time)

Those are just the few I can think of off the top of my head.

I also want to address something that was said earlier about people being saved at a christian rock concert. I have wondered about this for a long time because a friend of mine (who is not a believer) insists that there is nothing wrong with Christian rock, especially since we can use it to attract people to the gospel. I finally come to the conclusion that this is an example of "the end justifies the means". Are we going to endorse Satan worship in order to bring people to Christ? Of course not.

[Snoopy]

I guess my point in saying all of that was simply this: We shouldn't assume that all old hymns are good because they are old any more than we should assume that all new songs are bad just because they are new. I find that rationale all over the place. Contemporary does not equal bad.

By the way, I can't think of one song written lately by message believers that includes 7 seals, revelation, thunders, or theophany... That has absolutely nothing to do with. I think simple is sometimes better than complex. In fact, I know it is, because God dwells in simplicity. He also dwells in the praises of his people... I wonder how much he dwells in the simple praises of his people...

Here's a GREAT contemporary worship song that illustrates our whole conversation:

When the music fades
All is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

[Babyruth]

I agree with you, Snoopy, on the point of the rhythms of songs. It is very difficult to write a song without using similar tunes. It drives me crazy when my dad says a song is bad just because it sounds like one of his old rock songs or because it is written by a comtemporary artists. He personally mostly likes only the olders hymns and older songs. The few newer songs he likes are mainly slower. Rhythms are still hard to deal with, it's hard not to offend someone with music.

You are right about all old songs being "good." I've often wondered who decided they were good and if they were actually good or not. Same with the songs now. It's still hard to decide. If history were to go on another 100 years or so, which ones will still be around and considered classics and which ones will die out? I think the ones that were truly inspired by God will still remain in the churches and in believer's minds, but the other ones are still around, written down. All songs when they were written were considered new, like I said before, you can decide which ones are "good" by what annointing they bring you when you listen to them and what kind of spirit they bring.

Yes, I was referring to the "Danny Boy" Amazing Grace, sorry for the confusion. That song is probably one of my very favorites. However, does the fact that it is the same tune as an old bar song makes it bad? I don't think so, because I've heard it sung by many believers and it definately makes me more in love with God every time I sing it or hear it.

[collegegirl]

Can I just throw something in here real quick? I really enjoy classical music, and what you said snoopy, about the basic chords, is very true. I play the piano, and have just recently started to get pretty good at it, (I have been playing for welll over 5 years), and I have noticed that I can play almost any song in our church song book using 3-4 basic chords, and it sound pretty good. Not that I am down on those songs. I love them. Swing Low is one, Only Believe, At the Cross, and so many others, I really enjoy them all. I also do enjoy some contemporary, and you have to think, some of the "old" hymns that were written WERE contemporary at the time. Fanny Crosby would be asked to write a song for a new convention or meeting. Sometimes she would have to write several at a time, thus someof them would probably sound similar. They were NEW SONGS, introduced at meetings. Contemporary at that time.

[BroTrevor]

(I would give specific references but I don't have any kind of message searching software, no thanks to Voice of God).

Uhm...

http://66.6.218.55/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=997308429&infobase=message2005.nfo&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg42

what part of that website doesn't specifically help you there?

http://66.6.218.55/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=997308433&advquery=%22God%20is%20in%20art%22&infobase=message2005.nfo&record={9B2E}&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg42

is the quote you are most probably referring to.

-Bro Trevor

[AlanaH]

I like what you said about "Amazing Grace" because it reminds me of another point I was going to make. People freak out when they hear a song that has the same rhythm or the same chord progression as an old rock song they know. The thing is, there are SO many rock songs that there's not a rhythm in the world that they haven't used. It's one of those situations where "you can't throw a stone without hitting a rock beat". The same goes for chords. My dad has told me several times that a song I listen to uses the same chords of an old rock song he used to listen to, but chances are you couldn't write a song without it sounding like SOME other song SOMEWHERE.

There really is 'nothing new under the sun". I started to play a neat progression one day, just fooling around, and someone was llike "Do you know that that is the intro to such-and such a rock song?"
I had no clue. But seriously, songs have been being written for hundreds of years and there are only so many chord progressions, so you're bound to use the same ones once in awhile.
Completely agree with you there.

[redeemed]

I heard this saying somewhere (coulda been here actually) that if you have music playing (on the stereo or such) watch a two year old dance to it. if they're jumping all around and flipping there head all around chances are it's to beaty.
i agree with you to a point snoopy, i like some (very few though) of the newer songs that are coming out. (i don't listen to them alot though because our Christian radio station plays, for the most part, songs that have such fast music and such that i can't understand a word that they're singing) but for some of the ones i heard, i loved a few!!:) for example the one that you wrote in an earlier quote.
i think my all time favorite songs though are the old hymns, it really inspires me and draws me closer to God.

[AlanaH]

[quote=redeemed]I heard this saying somewhere (coulda been here actually) that if you have music playing (on the stereo or such) watch a two year old dance to it. if they're jumping all around and flipping there head all around chances are it's too beaty.
quote]

Very good point, will have to try that sometime....

[redeemed_lizzi]

I guess my point in saying all of that was simply this: We shouldn't assume that all old hymns are good because they are old any more than we should assume that all new songs are bad just because they are new. I find that rationale all over the place. Contemporary does not equal bad.

By the way, I can't think of one song written lately by message believers that includes 7 seals, revelation, thunders, or theophany... That has absolutely nothing to do with. I think simple is sometimes better than complex. In fact, I know it is, because God dwells in simplicity. He also dwells in the praises of his people... I wonder how much he dwells in the simple praises of his people...

Here's a GREAT contemporary worship song that illustrates our whole conversation:

When the music fades
All is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I love that song and I agree with what you're sayin.

[Lily_Grace]

Snoopy, I strongly disagree with you.

Many many old hymns were written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. They are still a great big blessing for us and while singing them good old hymns many times the Holy Ghost comes down. (for example: songs of Fanny Crosby. Bro. Branham talks about her quite often)

Quote Snoopy""I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring.""
You seem to say the very opposite of the prophet himself. He always loved those good old hymns.

.

Now this is one thing i don't understand. What people have to understand is that Bro.Branham, a man of God, is also a man. Bro. Branham is NOT, i repeat, NOT telling all message believers that you should strictly only listen to hymns because he liked them. Bro.Branham has likes and dislikes, as any normal person would, God works in (as we all know) Mysterious ways, and I know some people who have been blessed more by some contempory Christian music, than some older hymns. Just because someone might listen to another type of music more than hymns doesn't mean they're contradicting the Prophet. Well that's what i think. I'm sure Bro.branham loved those old hymns, and good for him that it blessed him from the top of his head to the soles of his feet, but if you find that other types of music blesses you in the same way, then who are we to say just stick to hymns. God doesn't deal with everyone in the same way, that's what we have to understand, and the way he is dealing with Snoopy is not in exactly the same way he dealt with Brother Branham.

[Babyruth]

Amen sister. Amen.

[AlanaH]

I agree, Lily.
After all, the song "Meeting in the Air" started out as a Pentecostal/contemporary song, and Bro. Branham loved it. So did "One of Them", but now they're considered hymns just because he liked them.

[FreeAtLast]

Now this is one thing i don't understand. What people have to understand is that Bro.Branham, a man of God, is also a man. Bro. Branham is NOT, i repeat, NOT telling all message believers that you should strictly only listen to hymns because he liked them. Bro.Branham has likes and dislikes, as any normal person would, God works in (as we all know) Mysterious ways, and I know some people who have been blessed more by some contempory Christian music, than some older hymns. Just because someone might listen to another type of music more than hymns doesn't mean they're contradicting the Prophet. Well that's what i think. I'm sure Bro.branham loved those old hymns, and good for him that it blessed him from the top of his head to the soles of his feet, but if you find that other types of music blesses you in the same way, then who are we to say just stick to hymns. God doesn't deal with everyone in the same way, that's what we have to understand, and the way he is dealing with Snoopy is not in exactly the same way he dealt with Brother Branham.

no worries Lily_Grace.
Trust me I understand that Bro. Branham was only a man and that we don´t need to like everything he liked. Just because Bro. Branham went hunting squirrels all the time doesn´t mean that we need to do the same. Or him eating redhots makes me eat them aswell. :D
nawww, that´s not what I meant and in fact I totally dislike such thinking!

Let me try to explain what I meant:

Because Snoopy made the strong statement: """I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring""" I said """You seem to say the very opposite of the prophet himself. He always loved those good old hymns""" - meaning who are you to 'judge' many of those old hymns and declaring them 'completely uninspiring'? I don´t think Snoopy is more spiritual than the prophet (even if the prophet was just a man too).

But then again when I just reread what was said I realize that I misunderstood something. I guess there is a difference between "uninspiring" and "uninspired". If Snoopy would have said "completely uninspired" he would have sounded like judging those things.
But he said "completely uninspiring" (which means that´s how these songs are to him) than that´s his entitled opinion.

I am sorry ppl. my bad! (Forgive, but english is not my first language).

[EllyMae]

I guess my point in saying all of that was simply this: We shouldn't assume that all old hymns are good because they are old any more than we should assume that all new songs are bad just because they are new. I find that rationale all over the place. Contemporary does not equal bad.

By the way, I can't think of one song written lately by message believers that includes 7 seals, revelation, thunders, or theophany... That has absolutely nothing to do with. I think simple is sometimes better than complex. In fact, I know it is, because God dwells in simplicity. He also dwells in the praises of his people... I wonder how much he dwells in the simple praises of his people...

Here's a GREAT contemporary worship song that illustrates our whole conversation:

When the music fades
All is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless Your heart
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus
I'm sorry, Lord, for the thing I've made it
When it's all about You,
It's all about You, Jesus

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much You deserve
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is Yours
Every single breath
I'll bring You more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart That's a very good song, I love the words to it. I have it on my xanga right now. For those of you who haven't heard it go and listen... :) www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7

[HotShot53]

That's a very good song, I love the words to it. I have it on my xanga right now. For those of you who haven't heard it go and listen... :) www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7 (http://www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7)

Will listen to it this evening when I get home, and have sound ;)

[blessed]

Yeah me too, no sound in the office

[EllyMae]

Sure is something how some people get to sit down all relaxed, and have time to check the forums while they are at work... While other people (aka ME) have to stand up the entire day, and barely have time to sit down and take a half hour lunch break. :D

[blessed]

Yep its one of the perks of an office job... until the IT deparment get tired of seeing me on here for most of the day.

[AlanaH]

And then it's BUSTED for blessed!!!!

[HotShot53]

Sure is something how some people get to sit down all relaxed, and have time to check the forums while they are at work... While other people (aka ME) have to stand up the entire day, and barely have time to sit down and take a half hour lunch break. :D

I only get to post during lunch break... we have way too much work to do to even think of anything but work while working...

[EllyMae]

Oh, ok... :)

[HotShot53]

Oh, ok... :)

Listened to it now, nice song :)

[Angelo]

I agree that that's a good song by an englishman.

I promised my brothers in church that I'll sing to them, Treat Her Right, by Lenny LeBlanc, when they get married, [hehe], we enjoy the song. :)

[AlanaH]

Haha......

[leahmb]

Sure is something how some people get to sit down all relaxed, and have time to check the forums while they are at work... While other people (aka ME) have to stand up the entire day, and barely have time to sit down and take a half hour lunch break. :D

<innocently> Why what's wrong with that..hehe. Wanna know something. I think I've only posted once from my home computer. That is the part I love about my job! I scan for about an hour a day (at least), so I can be on the internet that whole time. Plus I can download music, IM, or whatever. If I ever get a new job, that will be an adjustment if the terms are different <eek!>

[AlanaH]

Yeah, no joking....awesome bonuses tho...where do you work again??

[marichino_freedom]

I have a great job too...i have my own "office" (a very big cube that is nearly completely enclosed). I look at pictures all day and make spreadsheets. I love it!

and i get 12 hours of paid time off every month, and i have flexible hours for school (but when schools not in i usually work 8-5)

[blessed]

I only get to post during lunch break... we have way too much work to do to even think of anything but work while working...

Do you know its unhealthy to work like that, you must take a ten min break on every hour.

[AndrewMichael]

Trying to bring this a little on subject again...

I will say that worship can change by culture, as we all know. Brother Branham said for many things that couldn't not be completely explained in the Bible (such as dying hair, etc.) that he just gave his opinion, and told us to follow our Holy Ghost.

When it comes to music, you can tell if it is pulling you closer to God or not. That is the key. I have learned listening to any sort of worldly music (in environments where I don't have a chose, such as work) there is no virtue in it, nothing I can take from it. And a lot of contempory songs don't have virtue, and most will agree with that.

BUT, I do still believe that every "style" of worship, true worship towards God, is inspired. The tempo, rhythm, chords... etc. I don't think have a lot to do with it, even though I know I can feel when a supposedly Christian song has a wordly influence and not the influence of God simply because I am not growing any closer to the Lord.

This is more of a personal thing, except for the extreme cases of course. My best indicator is can other people tell its a Godly song without having to read all the lyrics, having a Godly atmosphere created by the song itself.

I wish I had some quotes on this, but I don't have the time to do a good search (got a lot of HOMEWORK! .. bleh) but, really take any sort of "iffy" song through the above tests and see how it comes out. If you sense the devil in any fashion, call him out, and get rid of it. If your heart does not condemn you (and be completely honest with yourself), then the song sound be ok.

Just my take...

[AlanaH]

It's a good one, and amen to it!

[Lily_Grace]

no worries Lily_Grace.
Trust me I understand that Bro. Branham was only a man and that we don´t need to like everything he liked. Just because Bro. Branham went hunting squirrels all the time doesn´t mean that we need to do the same. Or him eating redhots makes me eat them aswell. :D
nawww, that´s not what I meant and in fact I totally dislike such thinking!

Let me try to explain what I meant:

Because Snoopy made the strong statement: """I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring""" I said """You seem to say the very opposite of the prophet himself. He always loved those good old hymns""" - meaning who are you to 'judge' many of those old hymns and declaring them 'completely uninspiring'? I don´t think Snoopy is more spiritual than the prophet (even if the prophet was just a man too).

But then again when I just reread what was said I realize that I misunderstood something. I guess there is a difference between "uninspiring" and "uninspired". If Snoopy would have said "completely uninspired" he would have sounded like judging those things.
But he said "completely uninspiring" (which means that´s how these songs are to him) than that´s his entitled opinion.

I am sorry ppl. my bad! (Forgive, but english is not my first language).

ok, now i think everybody understands each other:applause:
English isn't your 1st language? You could have folled me, you sound fluent enough:thumbup:
but anyway, sorry i know i'm off topic...

[jordancpeterson]

What bothers me most is jazz music (and it being played in church). Is there anyone that can justify it in light of what Brother Branham said about it? I'd like to hear because I've never really had anyone respond to that and it seems to be getting more popular. I've felt jazz was pretty easy to define. And so it's confused me why some allow it (or at least what I think it is). I could give examples of it in churches but I won't. I'd like to honestly know how it's justified (I've heard the arguments about beats, drums, rock-and-roll, new songs, etc. but never have I heard it about jazz). Not looking to pick a fight just looking for any kind of response.

My concern with music has been about the style. Amazing Grace can be played both rock-and-roll or sweet and holy.

In general new songs don't bother me, or old ones. David says, sing a new song unto the Lord. What bothers me is that as we live in an eviler and wickeder world, we get eviler and wickeder sounding music. Can anyone say that our standards have changed in the Message as a whole? Or have we held the same standards? Most of us would admit that our standards as a whole are slipping. My concern is it is also showing in the styles of music we are listening to and worshiping with.

Drums in church don't bother me. The Bible and Brother Branham talks about them in good ways (and bad). I have been told you can even hear them in Branham Tabernacle (by two independent unverified sources - was told it was in 1954 when the children were being dismissed for Sunday School - it was a marching type of drums). Not saying Brother Branham approved them there.

But the main concern I have about drums being in church is that they are traditionally considered a worldly symbol and therefore have a tendency toward worldliness more then others. Same with the saxophone and jazz (it can be played nicely but traditionally in modern day America it is tended to be a jazzy instrument). Drums have a tendency to get out of control and if the person isn't really led by the Lord that is playing them things can get crazy.

Some songs that bother me in styles have been the course of "Shout to the Lord", sometimes how "Days of Elijah" are played, the song "He Set Me Free" at the part in the course "He set me free, yes, He set me free." (note: I've not heard everyone sing it this way, but most of them do).

In short I have taken "by their fruits you shall know them" in the area of music. If the person isn't living up to some basic Message standards in other areas of their life then I've tended to be a bit more skeptical in their interpretation on what is right and wrong in music. Sometimes I'll see a person and really admire their character but I've been concerned with their music. Then something happens in their life and they respond so out of a Christ like character that it is somewhat of a confirmation.

[redeemed_lizzi]

Some songs that bother me in styles have been the course of "Shout to the Lord", sometimes how "Days of Elijah" are played, the song "He Set Me Free" at the part in the course "He set me free, yes, He set me free." (note: I've not heard everyone sing it this way, but most of them do).

In short I have taken "by their fruits you shall know them" in the area of music. If the person isn't living up to some basic Message standards in other areas of their life then I've tended to be a bit more skeptical in their interpretation on what is right and wrong in music. Sometimes I'll see a person and really admire their character but I've been concerned with their music. Then something happens in their life and they respond so out of a Christ like character that it is somewhat of a confirmation.

Just a question, but what don't you like about 'Shout to the Lord' (I'm not implying that you should like it, I was just wondering why you don't). And also what are 'basic Message standards'?

[AlanaH]

And also, why that part in "He Set Me Free" ? All of the Message churches I have ever been to sing it that way....is there a particular reason for that?

[FreeAtLast]

ok, now i think everybody understands each other:applause:
English isn't your 1st language? You could have folled me, you sound fluent enough:thumbup:
but anyway, sorry i know i'm off topic...

yup, not my first language. I am german.

[AlanaH]

My family is third generation German...my mom speaks a little, but I don't know very much. :o

[jordancpeterson]

Just a question, but what don't you like about 'Shout to the Lord' (I'm not implying that you should like it, I was just wondering why you don't). And also what are 'basic Message standards'?

For lack of a better word... the course of Shout to the Lord sounds like doomsday. I have to admit the only time I heard it done ok was up at Brother Ray Erickson’s in Ohio during pre or post service instrumental playing.

As far as message standards I’d say that we all could agree that the standards in general as a group whole has lowered in the last 40 years. Or am I wrong on that? I’m not saying we don’t have people that are still just as sincere and hold standards now as some did 40 years ago but as a whole is what I’m referring too. How many message ministers 40 years ago would have allowed drums in their churches (percentage wise) compared to today.

[jordancpeterson]

And also, why that part in "He Set Me Free" ? All of the Message churches I have ever been to sing it that way....is there a particular reason for that?
Something just doesn’t sound right about that transition. From the very first time I heard it, it sounded worldly to me. Granted, just my opinion. I don’t hold others to it. :)

[AndrewMichael]

"He set me free" sounds jazzy? I have never felt that in the least, that's actually probably my favorite worship song. I think upbeat songs are great for worship. I mean, do you see anyone in heaven not rejoicing at the top of their lungs? We will see a hint of that here, and the Bride will have more than the world wants them to.

This is where I see a big problem is how much people think into music, and its not even looking at the spirits but just to see if they can find a word that maybe is questionable such as say "yes" in a song, or a tempo that could be worldly. The right Spirit is in the right songs, we can all have our opinions, but if a song drives you closer to God, it's from God; if it drives you farther from Him, than it isn't. <--- That is my standard on music.

[Anna]

The right Spirit is in the right songs, we can all have our opinions, but if a song drives you closer to God, it's from God; if it drives you farther from Him, than it isn't. <--- That is my standard on music.

I agree. It's "make a joyful noise unto the Lord". And if you are doing just that, singing to God, I don't think having drums or an upbeat tempo are going to hinder God from hearing you. Just go to Him with sencerity in your heart and you will be heard, I don't think God is offended by people who sincerely want to worship Him....

those are just my $0.02....hope I don't offend no one with my thoughts on the subject...

[AlanaH]

I agree with AndrewMichael as well, since that's pretty much been my take on this subject...well spoken, brother!

[jordancpeterson]

"He set me free" sounds jazzy? I have never felt that in the least, that's actually probably my favorite worship song. I think upbeat songs are great for worship.

Sorry didn't mean to imply that "He Set Me Free" was jazzy. I don't think it is. All I was commenting on was the songs that I have heard sang in church that have bothered me and why.

[AlanaH]

I guess I just don't see it...but oh well.

[BroTrevor]

I spent hours searching for a quote today. It was a neat quote about this pause in the song Bro Branham liked...

It was kinda "jazzy".

<chuckle>

But Jordan knows my opinion on Jazz music.

[TommyLewis]

One of my "pet peeves" are people who try to form a doctrine based on their personal preference in music. Each one of us is different, thus we each have different tastes in music. As Andrew is saying, we have to try the spirits, and see if they be of God. I think Andrew's point of deciding if the song draws you closer to or drives you further from God is the key. While we can use our personal preferences in terms of chord structures, rythm, tempo, what instruments are used, how old or new the song is, to help determine what we ourselves will listen to, we cannot use our personal preferences to attempt to set up standards defining what other people should or should not listen to.
No offense to Jordan, but I absolutely love the song "Shout to the Lord." I remember singing that song at the first Young Mens Meeting Bro. Barry organized in Virginia. As we started to sing, the Holy Spirit fell, and every I think every person in the building immediately was on their feet, with hands in the air praising the Lord. It was one of those moments that I will never forget as long as I live. Again, however...I love it...I will never attempt to judge someone's spirituality based on their opinion of that or any other song.

[joris]

but I absolutely love the song "Shout to the Lord." yeah (it was my baptism song :))

[Jezz]

For me when it comes to the music I listen to I look at these scriptures:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit; and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Psalm 47:7 - For God is the King of all the Earth; sing ye praises with understanding.

What is being sung in the song is very important, many of the newer Christian songs might sound good, appear to sung in the right kind of spirit but still be wrong. I like the music I listen to to be scripturally sound even if the person singing it doesn't know the truth I do when I am singing along.

What kind of music people listen to well that is up to them in my opinion, they can listen to old fashioned gospel, classical, new age even rock. Not that I condone listening to the wrong kind of music but I prefer to leave it up to the individual to do as they feel is right although people shouldn't deceive themselves that listening to "Christian" rock isn't the same as listening to worldy rock.

[EllyMae]

There's a song that I just recently listened to while looking up music. Something I look for in music, more than the sound, is the words and the message it gives. I'm sure most of you all have heard the song "In Christ Alone," well this is kind of a medley to it. I'm sure there are many other versions of the songs sung by other artists, but the one I've heard is by Craig & Dean Phillips. I love the words to this song...

In Christ Alone (medley)

In Christ alone my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest
drought and storm

What heights of love,
what depths of peace
When fears are stilled,
when strivings cease
My Comforter, my All in All
Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ Alone, who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save

'Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious day
Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ

In Christ alone I place my trust
And find my glory in the power
of the cross
In every victory let it be said of me
My source of strength
My source of hope
In Christ alone I place my trust
And find my glory in the power
of the cross
In every victory let it be said of me
My source of strength
My source of hope
In Christ alone

No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From life's first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His Hand
'til He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I'll stand.

.............:)

[TommyLewis]

The words are probably the most important thing in my opinion as well. As a former English major a well written lyric can make me smile for hours. That is an awesome song. I believe the first part is an older hymn, and the second part of course is a contemporary song...both very powerful.

[becalive]

[quote=TommyLewis]One of my "pet peeves" are people who try to form a doctrine based on their personal preference in music. Each one of us is different, thus we each have different tastes in music. As Andrew is saying, we have to try the spirits, and see if they be of God. I think Andrew's point of deciding if the song draws you closer to or drives you further from God is the key. While we can use our personal preferences in terms of chord structures, rythm, tempo, what instruments are used, how old or new the song is, to help determine what we ourselves will listen to, we cannot use our personal preferences to attempt to set up standards defining what other people should or should not listen to.
quote]

true, we must use the Word (the Bible) to direct us in our choice of music. there are biblical guidelines for this as layed out in the Bible and further light given by Bro Branham. an example, Bro Branham mentions Elvis Presley and Pat Boone singing Amazing Grace, that its the person behind who singing the song, not just the song. its the inspiration, what the person is claiming to believe, are they genuine. thats why sometimes its best not to listen to "modern" christian music and listen to other music, like classical or something as those people are not claiming to be something they are not.

couple months ago we had this subject preached about at our church. and then one day on the internet i was searching around for some wholesome music and came across this site.

http://oldchristianmusic.com/

they have on there a few links about "christian" rock and songs etc. really neat. if any one is really interested in finding out what the Bible says. :D

plus they have a nice christian radio.

[HotShot53]

thanks for the link :) Listening to their radio now ;) And welcome back to the forums :)

[TommyLewis]

I agree that the inspiration behind the music is what matters...This is true not just in music but in everything...Bro Branham spoke often of how there are only truly two powers...God and Satan...and everything is annointed by one of those two powers...

[EllyMae]

All right, so I've come to the conclusion that I really love music. I would love to learn how to play guitar and start writing songs, I'm just not too gifted in that area... lol.

Anyhow, I found 2 more good songs by Phillips, Craig and Dean.

One of them is titled Shine On Us. I just added it to my xanga, so you all can listen to it there. www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7 (http://www.xanga.com/elly_mae_7)

Also, if you go to my audio section, http://audio.xanga.com/elly_mae_7 it has the other song titled How Deep The Father's Love For Us.

Hope you all like them... Enjoy :)

[EllyMae]

Ok, so I found another one that I absolutely love. I uploaded it to my audio blog on my xanga, but it's not working right now. Buuuuut, I do have it on my myspace now. So, go to my site, sit back, relax, and listen to the beautiful words. :)

www.myspace.com/elly_mae (http://www.myspace.com/elly_mae)

Words...

Crucified With Christ

As I look back on what I thought was living
I'm amazed at the price I choose to pay
And to think I ignored what really mattered
Cause I thought the sacrifice would be too great
But when I finally reached the point of giving in
I found the cross was calling even then
And even though it took dying to survive
I've never felt so much alive.

CHORUS:

For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live
Not I but Christ that lives within me
His Cross will never ask for more than I can give
For its not my strength but His
There's no greater sacrifice
For I am crucified with Christ and yet I live

As I hear the Savior call for daily dying
I will bow beneath the weight of Calvary
Let my hands surrender to His piercing purpose
That holds be to the cross but sets me free
I will glory in the power of the cross
The things I thought were gain I count as loss
And with His suffering I identify
And by His resurrection power I am alive

BRIDGE:

And I will offer all I have
So that His cross is not in vain
For I found to live is Christ
And to die is truly gain

[AndrewMichael]

Ok... here goes.

I recently had a thought about this not to long ago and I found it remarkably striking.

There was this one song I was listening to over at my cousin's house (refraining from names, most of you don't know her anyway.. NOT Michelle ... *grin*) and I really liked it. I believe it is by Newsong "Psalm (I forget the number)." But to my point, I liked the song so much that I realized I wasn't worshipping God, I was just "in" the song.

And I took it to heart that we can actually like a song TOO much, to the point where we are no longer worshipping God. I found that scary. The song was fine (though some might disagree) but I did notice it wasn't as ... what's the word... rapturing as I would like. I like songs that I feel are preparing me for a rapture, not just fun to listen to. But I do challenge that we ought to make sure the music we listen to is causing us to worship God, and nothing less of that.

[gingersnap4jc]

I have gone over and read this thread and it made me think of a few different things. I have had some questions about the beat and that of music lately cause of what Bro.Branham said about the Rock and Roll beat. It has made me question many Christian songs. I never really had thought about the beat that much until this year and hearing what he said about it.
I was not raised up in a Message Church, but a Non Denominational one as I have mentioned at other times. When I was growing up between the ages o 5 and 12 I listened to what my parents listeded to, and at the time God hadn't delt with them about worldly music. So I grew up with Country and Rock and Roll. It wasn't until I was 12 that the Lord started convicting me about it because of the words and I begin to understand more what they were talking about and knew it was't what God would want me to hear or do. It was then that I realised that there was a such thing as contemporary music. I was able to worship to contemporary music then and still do.
I listened to just contemporary Christian music til I changed churches when I was 18. It was to a Mega church, that was controlled mostly by the Youth. When I started going they were more into Christian Headbanging music such as Disciple. During that time I would find that not only would I do what I thought was worshipping to it, but I would also crank it up in my car as loud as I could get it when I was being rebelious. At the time I had no clue what was happening.
When my sisters came to the Message and started listening to hyms and softer music. I at that point couldn't stand them. I thought they were horrible and from legalistic churches. The Lord finally brought me into the Message and I started realsing that I didn't have such a desire to listen to Headbanging christian music. I started listening to Contemporary christian again and then was actually able to listen to hyms. My favorites now are hyms, but there are still contemporary songs that I am able to worship God with too. Such as the song that was mentioned earlier, Heart of Worship. I believe that song was written by Matt Redman, I find that as far as contemporary music goes that his songs are anointed and I can worship with his more than any others.
I now go through all the words to the songs before I listen to the song itself, to make sure first of all that it isn't a trinitarian song or to denominational. Then I listen to it and feel out the spirit, if there is somthing about it that just isn't sitting rite with my spirit I will get rid of it. I have though many times been able to be in the spirit with contemporary christian music. Actually, because there isn't a Message Church here we get with our friend and listen to cd sermons from Message pastors and Brother Branham. We like to worship God first so we put in a contemporary christian music cd, because our friend isn't familliar with the other songs and hyms. She is learning them though. We even use tamborines sometimes even when we are worshipping with a song that is being played at a message church on our sermon cd.
We all went to a Christian worship concert 2 weeks ago, because we had been invited by a friend of our friend. We knew who it was that was going to be leading worship (Jeff Deyo), from having heard him at a christian youth camp when we were going to Non denominational Churches. We hadn't been in a church besides Message Churches till we went to that concert. It was so different, because of the work that the Lord has done in us. The concert itself was great, Jeff Deyo was really worshipping God. He has an alternative style of worship music like Third Day. I couldn't enter into worship at first, but it was because God wanted me to pray for the people that were there that atteneded the church that we were at for the concert, for all of the ones that were really Christians to come to the full truth. After that I was able to worship God, but it wasn't that the music was wrong, it was the spirit's of the people that were at the church, most of them were just standing there, like they were just there for a regular concert and were disapointed because it was a worship concert, and that is what Jeff Deyo did, he was worshiping Jesus Christ with all his heart and soul. Now the church itself, we saw at the end of the concert had put up a picture of a statue of Mary, on the screen, but it didn't have to do with Jeff Deyo but what they did. My sisters, mom and I have decided not to go to any other Christian concerts, because of the spirit's of the churches and we don't want to be decieved.
I guess what I am trying to say, but have prob. side tracked because it is late........ is that I believe it is your heart that counts. Are you actually worshiping God? Giving Him your all and consentrating on Him. Like David did! I think that we should be careful not to be like Michal! Yes we also should decern the spirits definatly, but I don't think that just because a song is upbeat that it is not of the Lord. Do you think that David's praising was quiet. It seemed like it would have been pretty loud to me. I think that it all depends on what you personally like music wise, If you can worship with it, and know that the spirit of it isn't wrong then I would worship God with my all! As far as culture goes, yes I think it has alot to do with your style of music, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I like Jewish worship and celtic worship too. Just my opinion, Lord Bless You all! :)


2 Samuel 6:1 Again, David gathered together all the chosen men of Israel, thirty thousand.

2 Samuel 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.

2 Samuel 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.

2 Samuel 6:4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.

2 Samuel 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.

2 Samuel 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.

2 Samuel 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.

2 Samuel 6:8 And David was displeased, because the LORD had made a breach upon Uzzah: and he called the name of the place Perezuzzah to this day.

2 Samuel 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day, and said, How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?

2 Samuel 6:10 So David would not remove the ark of the LORD unto him into the city of David: but David carried it aside into the house of Obededom the Gittite.

2 Samuel 6:11 And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the LORD blessed Obededom, and all his household.

2 Samuel 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The LORD hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.

2 Samuel 6:13 And it was so, that when they that bare the ark of the LORD had gone six paces, he sacrificed oxen and fatlings.

2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

2 Samuel 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.

2 Samuel 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

2 Samuel 6:17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.

2 Samuel 6:18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts.

2 Samuel 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house.

2 Samuel 6:20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

2 Samuel 6:21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.

2 Samuel 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

2 Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.


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[gingersnap4jc]

Snoopy, I strongly disagree with you.

Many many old hymns were written under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. They are still a great big blessing for us and while singing them good old hymns many times the Holy Ghost comes down. (for example: songs of Fanny Crosby. Bro. Branham talks about her quite often)

Quote Snoopy""I don't know about everyone else, but I personally find many of the old songs we sing completely uninspiring.""
You seem to say the very opposite of the prophet himself. He always loved those good old hymns.

I earnestly hope that the "new message-songs" are written by the same inspiration. At times I doubt it a little - it seems like ppl try to sceeze as many big-message-words as possible into those songs. (for example: 7 seals, revelation, thunders, theophany...). Does that make all of those songs spiritual?

Something else: "Amazing Grace" was written by a former slave-trader that got converted. The origin of the melody is unknown.


Actually I have heard some songs that have the words 7 seals, revelation, thunders, theophany. I like hearing those things mentioned in the song because to me it has words in it that talk about the Bride and the walk that we are called too. It really makes me think about the truth because I now know what the Message is that goes behind those words. The Lord actually used those songs with me to look more into what Bro.Branham had said, about the words that were used, such as 7 seals, thunders, theophany. I didn't know anything about those subjects til then, and it made me want to know more. I don't know if I am saying it quite right but, I just like those songs alot, and yes some of them even have beats to them that could be considered cultural.
Lord Bless You All, Mary

[jordancpeterson]

I guess what I am trying to say, but have prob. side tracked because it is late........ is that I believe it is your heart that counts. Are you actually worshiping God? Giving Him your all and consentrating on Him.

Good post! And I believe what you are saying about "are you really worshiping God?" We have to be really honest with ourselves about it too. Not just kind of saying we are doing the right thing, but really pray about it if it is right. :)

[gingersnap4jc]

Good post! And I believe what you are saying about "are you really worshiping God?" We have to be really honest with ourselves about it too. Not just kind of saying we are doing the right thing, but really pray about it if it is right. :)


Yes Jordan, That is exactly what I ment, Thankyou! Lord Bless You, Mary :)

[Ann]

Today i think its really hard in the message concerning music

i download music from Bro Donny Reagans and get some from cloverdale the specials that they sing.

I believe if your concsience is clear and in tune with God you will be sensetive to the right sought of music.

BUt peoples in the message have soo many different ideas on music. Some churches like in Australia have such boring tune to their songs like momotone and its just old hyms . i like the cloverdale Bibleway style and Happy valley. some can be too fast and on the rock side but i ignore that. Note most of the songs were written by denomanational christains so what! you gonna quit singing songs like Amazing Grace becos Elvis sang it!! No, i don't think so..

[AgapZoe]

Hmm,I see all your opinions brethren! I just don't have a thing to post on this rather sensitive topic just yet. All I know is Music is a very Powerful ministry and if not careful,you might just be worshipping the devil instead of God...'without your klnowledge.'
-One thing I gotta say(though it may seem out of the topic a little bit) is that,I think intimacy with God is the way to go in all aspects of our lives.
Be blest.

[EllyMae]

"The Shepherd's Call" by The Crabb Family

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7blZSdVv6ns


I wandered far from the fold where I was safe.
It wasn't long until I found I'd lost my way.
I cried with fear as the night began to fall.
One more lost lamb, but I heard the Shepherds call.

He saw my steps as they walked right into the dark.
Though I went astray, I never once left his heart.
That night long ago, how I still recall.
When I lost my way, then I heard the Shepherds call.

He left the fold to search out one that strayed.
Left ninety-nine for there was one to be saved.
There on that ledge one-step would have ended all.
I felt a hand, and I heard the Shepherds Call.


"How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?" St. Matthew 18:12

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me." St. John 10:27


Glad I heard the Shepherd's call... What about you? :)

[AlanaH]

I tend to listen to a lot of music. Only CCM and Southern Gospel, mind you, but I do listen to a ton of music a day. There was a time when all I thought about was listening to my new CDs, so much to the point that I didn't have time for my life, natural or spiritual. And that's when that music became wrong for me. But now that it's controlled, I don't see anything wrong with what I listen to. And there's a lot of groups that I love that have a bunch of songs that I can't stand because they are too worldly. I've learned that just because 99% of the CD is ok to watch out for that little 1% that isn't. (9 out of 10 per se)

[Angellica]

Let me throw something on here, allow me... Well the Prophet once said God heals by music, so we just have to decide if he would heal using the "jumpy" type!!;-) But anyway, define contemporary Gospel music for me, maybe I have a very different version of its meaning:confused:. There are worldly people out there who can sing songs of Zion even much better than we can, sometimes;) But the thing of it is, we should be led of the spirit of God and it will tell us what music to listen to. Personally I like Michael W. Smith and his song "Above All", I don't think he is a believer. But he sang it in a worship way. Then there's Don Moen, I heard he rejected the message, but he still sings good music. It's just a matter of what the spirit is leading us to listen to.

[leahmb]

It's just a matter of what the spirit is leading us to listen to.

The HOLY Spirit, other spirits will drive you to listen to all kinds of trash......

[joris]

Personally I like Michael W. Smith and his song "Above All", I don't think he is a believer.Are you sure? I thought he was; though I don't think he wrote that

[Noe]

yep, he wrote it. i'm not sure if by believer she means a message beliver, in which case i don't think so, and as far as i know he is a christian unless anyone is more upto date.

[leahmb]

Yes, He's still a profession Christian and still song writing/singing.

[Noe]

Yes, He's still a profession Christian and still song writing/singing.

i have kinda got out of touch a bit on some of the Southern Gospel and Gospel singers so i couldn't be absolutely sure

[Angellica]

Well I think music that is sung from a true christian heart is worth listening to!:D I love Cloverdale music, Lafontain Family, The Tidwells, Happy Valley Church and Many more...

[marichino_freedom]

didnt michael w. smith kinda go away from christian music for a while, though?

i still like some of his stuff, though. :)

i really really am liking Selah right now.....their stuff is very good....i especially like "be thou near to me"

[BroTrevor]

didnt michael w. smith kinda go away from christian music for a while, though?


eh... give him a break.

after all, nobody's picture perfect.

[marichino_freedom]

lol....i DID say that i still liked some of his stuff

[TommyLewis]

eh... give him a break.

after all, nobody's picture perfect.


That was bad bro...real bad...

I guess someone was bound to say it though...haha...

[Nate]

That was bad bro...real bad...

I guess someone was bound to say it though...haha...

Oh, a song reference. Yeah...


Is it obvious I don't listen to M. W. Smith? Gosh, I hope so.

[BroTrevor]

That was bad bro...real bad...

I guess someone was bound to say it though...haha...


I thought it was clever and hilarious...

[marichino_freedom]

i sooooo didnt get it. :012:

[redeemed]

nor I, what are we missing out on?

[BroTrevor]

I shudder to actually link to this... but it'll make the point succinctly...

Picture Perfect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpkcArBNdg)

They really look they are worshipping God, uhm.. 80s style...

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In his defense, his actual worship stuff is soo much better. And he did write the song (I think) where he said...

"I'm coming back to the heart of worship...it's all about You"

I wish he would have stayed with that tho.

[AgapZoe]

Music music music...sure a powerful tool, to call powers, either demonic or calling God Almighty on the scene. Now, as we all know, Satan was say in charge of the music ministry in Heaven. When he fell, I believe he fell with it...and so, fell from the presence of the Lord. I don't believe any music inspired outside the presence of The Lord Jesus Christ is worth listening to...let alone being led to listen to it...;-). (am not intending to judge nobody here coz I too am struggling with the music from other artists, 'Christian' artists, like Ron Kenoly's music(of which I like coz of the proffessional level of his back-up and instrumentals/instrumentalists), Don Moen's, Paul Baloche, and Ray Boltz, and even Randy Travis.
On mentioning Randy Travis, how many in the House like his music? Well, I do. Just the other day a group of us youths had gone for a cook-out at night(on Saturday) and alas, one of us shared something about Randy Travis that really got me thinking and left me informed. She/he(can't rem exactly if it was a sis or a bro) said that The song, "Three wooden Crosses" by Randy Travis is blasphemous. In the last line of the chorus, i.e. "It's not what you take when you leave this world behind you, it's what you leave behind you when you go" talks of what is important when you go. Well, She/He pointed out that the Prophet said that what's important in the life of a Christian is what He/She'll take when she/he leaves this earth..because that'll determine your eternal destination.
Then, there's Cece Winans....how many in the house like how she's so GOOD at her stuff? Wel, I can't puit my hand down, neither can I put it up..her music is lovely....right? The other day a brother friend of mine gave me her dvd- Throne Room...that being the title track. When I was watching it, I was full of qtn marks, then came the song 'throne room' which justified my qtn marrks, :-). Oh my, I was left wondering, "which throne room is this!"
As for Zion's songs being sang outside Zion, I am not for that idea at all. The enemy knows that you(the Bride) can't sing their songs, or even listen to them, and hence, htey are mocking you by asking and allowing you to sing and listen to yours, your very own, and then, that's where they catch us. Satan knows everything about music, maybe better than some of us.
Saints, let's keep ourselves in the presence of the Lord, aren't you tired and weary of being mocked?

-And oh, I wonder whose heart he was getting back to...@bro T...

I pray I have not stepped on anyone's toe. Pardon me if I have.
With love, Halimah.

[joris]

In the last line of the chorus, i.e. "It's not what you take when you leave this world behind you, it's what you leave behind you when you go" talks of what is important when you go. Well, She/He pointed out that the Prophet said that what's important in the life of a Christian is what He/She'll take when she/he leaves this earth..because that'll determine your eternal destination.:think: That's what (almost?) every christian agrees on, no need to drag in any certain prophet about that.
Then again, making that practice takes that huge amount of grace, for we can't do it, not at all, unless God does it through us.

[BroTrevor]

:think: That's what (almost?) every christian agrees on, no need to drag in any certain prophet about that.


Yeah, no need to "drag" in what Paul said either...

or even Moses!!

Those prophets... I mean really, can't we just be Christians without all these prophets??

:juggle:

[AgapZoe]

Hmm, am a bit mixed up over here. I'm trying to figure out what Bro T has meant by asking that..sounds rhetorical to me...and then, am thinking what if it's not?
Something has come up immediately I read the posts by Joris and BroTrevor.
i.e.

"The Word of God comes to His Servants, the Prophets."

-Gotta come with some scriptures and quotes that one of our ministers referred to when speaking on music, two or three Sundays ago.
-God bless...

[Babyruth]

I shudder to actually link to this... but it'll make the point succinctly...

Picture Perfect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpkcArBNdg)

They really look they are worshipping God, uhm.. 80s style...

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In his defense, his actual worship stuff is soo much better. And he did write the song (I think) where he said...

"I'm coming back to the heart of worship...it's all about You"

I wish he would have stayed with that tho.
Wow, I just watched part of that now. He said his music was who he was. The message it has is who he is. If that's still true, I hope he has changed from then. I have never liked Picture Perfect, but seeing him sing it like that, and all the other people, I have a hard time wanting to listen to a lot of his music. Although I enjoy a few of his songs, I have to wonder. Although, not in defense of him or me liking his songs, Bro. Lance spoke a great message on music a little while ago. He said that God inspires songs and maybe it's only a few songs that are "good" from that artist, but they were inspired songs. Maybe you don't want to have that person sing it, necessarily, but it's still a good song. For me, that's how the above mentioned songs of Michael W. Smith are. I have been disappointed in his new songs. But, what do you expect? As Bro. T said, not everyone's picture perfect. :rofl:

[TommyLewis]

I guess the question is can we expect any given songwriter(or poet, artist, etc...) to be inspired by God for every thing they ever write. I'm not sure that we can. Even the great composers, song writers from the past from whom we have never heard a song that wasn't truly inspired probably wrote lots of songs that just didn't quite catch the inspiration...we just don't know about them, because these songs have, with time, faded into obscurity.
I guess what I'm saying is that just because we don't like every song a person writes doesn't mean we can't benefit from the songs where they obviously caught inspiration from God...
MWS is a great example...he has written some great worship music where he obviously caught an inspiration from God. Why would we throw these out just because we question the inspiration behind some of his other songs...

[Babyruth]

I guess the question is can we expect any given songwriter(or poet, artist, etc...) to be inspired by God for every thing they ever write. I'm not sure that we can. Even the great composers, song writers from the past from whom we have never heard a song that wasn't truly inspired probably wrote lots of songs that just didn't quite catch the inspiration...we just don't know about them, because these songs have, with time, faded into obscurity.
I guess what I'm saying is that just because we don't like every song a person writes doesn't mean we can't benefit from the songs where they obviously caught inspiration from God...
MWS is a great example...he has written some great worship music where he obviously caught an inspiration from God. Why would we throw these out just because we question the inspiration behind some of his other songs...
I completely agree. That's what Bro. Lance said. However, seeing disturbing things does kind of detur me from wanting to hear more, but like I said, I really like some of Michael W. Smith's stuff, and others that have sang some disturbing songs.

[Nate]

Picture Perfect was about his wife. But I really don't feel like justifying MWS. It's not my job anyway. I'll leave justification to Jesus. He's better at it anyway.
I think sometimes, with music especially, we as christians forget our liberty. And on the other side, we forget to test the spirits.

I think there are three main reasons why we as humans sing.
First and formost, we sing for joy. When we're happy, we sing about it.
Second, we sing as a comfort to ourselves or others. Music has a way of soothing very real troubles, be they physical, emotional, or spiritual.
And thirdly, we sing to praise. And that's not just to praise God. Happy Birthday is a praise song; "... and many more" is a way to wish someone a longer life, thus praising their life so far as well.

I think, sometimes, because of legalism or while fighting our human nature, we forget our humanity. We forget who we are as people. In trying to remove ourselves from the world, we remove ourselves from life too. We're supposed to die daily, not kill ourselves.

[jordancpeterson]

There is something to be said about a holy and clean vessel used of the Lord. Otherwise why would the angel have told Brother Branham not to defile his body in any way. At the same time I'm not sure that we throw all of it out either.

My dad always makes one good point that is hard for me to get away from. The devil is nothing to mess with. He'll take you farther then you want to go and he'll trap you in ways you'd not think (that's why they are called traps). And I want to think I am somehow immune to them when I'm not necessarily all the time. I know we have the protection of the Lord with us but at the same time, how many small traps did I fall into of the devils this past week?

[TommyLewis]

There is something to be said about a holy and clean vessel used of the Lord.

What makes a holy and clean vessel to be used of the Lord? Do we disqualify someone because we can see mistakes he or she has made? Do we disqualify singers or artists because we don't agree with the music they wrote and recorded ten years ago? If making mistakes disqualifies a person from being a holy and clean vessel, there are no holy and clean vessels...

Also, just because a song doesn't mention Jesus doesn't mean it is evil. Nate hinted at this, and I have to say that I agree...

[Nate]

I just don't like the idea that the only good music is what's played in church or at the opera house.
David played the harp before Christian music even existed.
The Star Spangled Banner is an Irish drinking tune.
And I'm fairly certain Motzart and Bethovan both wrote "angry" and politically controversial music.

You're supposed to look for the virtues in things.
Phil 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
It doesn't say anything about it being "of God". And if that's too much for you to understand right now, then I'm sorry for being a stumbling block.
It's not foolish to stay away from things you're not sure about though. The fear of God is only the beginning of wisdom though. And it's important to remember that. And it's equally important to remember that even though we're called out of the world, and we're no longer of the world, we're still in the world until the day we're taken out of it. And for now we still have to be a part of the world.

Conversely, when christians use Rock to try to witness to others, I think they're misusing music entirely. Music was never meant to get others to follow God. I think evangelism is evangelism. I would have a hard time believing anyone was convinced to follow Christ because of a song they heard. I think "rock as a witness tool" is just filthy human rags, our attempt to do for God what was His job in the first place. The power to save souls comes from the Word, not the lyric.

[Noe]

yeah, but your not supposed to run head long, just because you don't want to seem legalistic or old fashioned. Your liable to smack your head against a brick wall. It might knock some sense in to ya, if your lucky:tongue_sm ;-) .

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i mainly stick to southern gospel as i often end up very depressed with other styles, and as i have had big health problems linked with stress and depression, i use a lot of wisdom in my choice of music for my sanitiy and health's sake, if nothing else. i could go on with how big the stress and depression actually got, but i guess i'll spare you the details.

[Noe]

BTW picture perfect isn't how i have seen mws perform before....lol....i was like what on earth?!?! i also thought it was interesting when he said his music was who he is, too

[Babyruth]

Not that we're going to or anything, but we've hashed and rehashed music on this forum many times, and it's nice to get our opinions and stuff, but remember, it's just your opinion, and if someone says something you don't like, it's ok! God made all of us different and that's great! I just don't want to see any arguments, because we all have valid opinions and sometimes it's frustrating when people don't agree.

But, for the record, I agree with Nate and Tommy and Jordan and Noe. :) All very valid and good points.

[BroTrevor]

MWS is a great example...he has written some great worship music where he obviously caught an inspiration from God. Why would we throw these out just because we question the inspiration behind some of his other songs...

I love it when MWS comes back to the heart of worship!


! I just don't want to see any arguments, because we all have valid opinions and sometimes it's frustrating when people don't agree.

I don't agree with you. You are frustrating me.

<grin>

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Try the spirits...

[leahmb]

<pokes head it and slips back out>

[NoahL]

I love it when MWS comes back to the heart of worship!




It's all about you, now isn't it?

[TommyLewis]

So much arguing in this thread...seriously...a little time apart for meditation for each of you might help...honestly...I think this is your time to go west young men until somewhere, somehow you find your place in this world. Don't worry though guys, head back as soon as you find it, cause I will be here waiting for my good friends to get back. Of course, if i don't see or hear from you soon I'll be sure to file a missing person report.

[BroTrevor]

It's all about you, now isn't it?

I spose you think you're old enough to know.

But not even you know of my secret ambition, and I wont just give it away.


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I haven't laughed like that on the forums in a loooong time. Thank you Noah and Tommy.

[marichino_freedom]

its an interesting thread.....lots of opinions....all of which i respect. (i'm open to lots of things.....:D, but most people already knew that).

and for the record, i DO like MWS........but his older stuff. :)

[TommyLewis]

I spose you think you're old enough to know.

But not even you know of my secret ambition, and I wont just give it away.



I'm wondering if this testy attitude of yours is really just a cry for help...if so, this is your time...reach out to me...cause I will be your friend...and i'll help you find your way...

[NoahL]

Bro. Trevor, I think you need to start tearin' down the walls of anger you have. But don't give up. Let me show you the way. Because friends are friends forever.
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I'm gone.

[NeedGod]

Lol, funny funny funny thread!
Uh, be careful everyone. I do not say which music is or isn't ok to listen to, but be careful not to compromise too much such that you give the devil leeways into your life...And be careful also not to lean to hard on the fanatical side such that you only listen to yourself sing or something equally fanatical like that. The Christian knows to walk in the way in the middle of the road. Just pray for discernment and listen to The Word and pray often. You'll have enough to shield you from ll the bad music coming your way... And after you do all this, there will be a still small voice inside you telling you what to do. If He tells you a certain type of music or a particulr song just doesn;t ring right, well, listen to Him! He is God! Remember everyone, the devil was in charge of music, so he can get stuff working out just right for him. Be careful!

[EllyMae]

This song made me smile when I heard it. It's very sweet.

For the guys who want to be a father one day, remember this song.

"I Want To Be Just Like You" by Phillips, Craig, and Dean

He climbs in my lap for a goodnight hug
He calls me Dad and I call him Bub
With his faded old pillow and a bear named Pooh
He snuggles up close and says, "I want to be like you"
I tuck him in bed and I kiss him goodnight
Trippin' over the toys as I turn out the light
And I whisper a prayer that someday he'll see
He's got a father in God 'cause he's seen Jesus in me

Chorus:
Lord, I want to be just like You
'Cause he wants to be just like me
I want to be a holy example
For his innocent eyes to see
Help me be a living Bible, Lord
That my little boy can read
I want to be just like You
'Cause he wants to be like me

Got to admit I've got so far to go
Make so many mistakes and I'm sure that You know
Sometimes it seems no matter how hard I try
With all the pressures in life I just can't get it all right
But I'm trying so hard to learn from the best
Being patient and kind, filled with Your tenderness
'Cause I know that he'll learn from the things that he sees
And the Jesus he finds will be the Jesus in me

Chorus

Right now from where he stands I may seem mighty tall
But it's only 'cause I'm learning from the best Father of them all

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Now we need a song for the ladies... :)

[NoahL]

I love that song. It just might be my favorite by PC&D. It's definitely the prayer that every father should have. "Lord, I want to be just like you, 'cause he wants to be like me."

[EllyMae]

I love a lot of their music. I heard this song for the first time today. For those of who you haven't heard it, check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33BBux7TqMQ&mode=related&search=

It's rather sweet if I do say so myself.

[BroTrevor]

I can identify with that song...

"trippin over the toys as I turn out the light"....


ARRRGHH!!!

STUPID...DUMB...GRRR...

Love you boys... gnight!!

[wwwjer2911]

I can identify with that song...

"trippin over the toys as I turn out the light"....


ARRRGHH!!!

STUPID...DUMB...GRRR...

Love you boys... gnight!!

Hahahaha :rofl: :D

Toys can be quite painful....... :ng_thumbd

[Jezz]

Big Daddy Weave - Every Time I Breathe

I am sure all of heaven's heard me cry
As I tell You all the reasons why
This life is just too hard

But day by day
Without fail
I'm finding everything I need
And everything that You are
To me

Chorus:
Every time I breathe You seem a little bit closer
I never want to leave
I want to stay in Your warm embrace
Oh basking in the glory shining from Your face
And every time I get another glimpse of Your heart
I realize it's true
That You are so marvelous God
And I am so in love with You

Now how could I after knowing One so great
Respond to You in any way
That's less than all I have to give
But by Your grace I want to love You not with what
I say
But everyday
In a way that my life is lived

Chorus:
Every time I breathe You seem a little bit closer
I never want to leave
I want to stay in Your warm embrace
Oh basking in the glory shining from Your face
And every time I get another glimpse of Your heart
I realize it's true
That You are so marvelous God
And I am so in love with You

Wrapped in Your mercy I want to live and never leave
I am held by how humble
Yet overwhelmed by Your majesty
Captured by grace and now I'm finding
I am free
You are marvelous God
And knowing You is everything

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You people like this song?

[HotShot53]

This song made me smile when I heard it. It's very sweet.

For the guys who want to be a father one day, remember this song.

"I Want To Be Just Like You" by Phillips, Craig, and Dean

That is a challenge... I hope to live up to it someday. But it is definitely something to think about....

[TommyLewis]

This song made me smile when I heard it. It's very sweet.

For the guys who want to be a father one day, remember this song.

"I Want To Be Just Like You" by Phillips, Craig, and Dean

He climbs in my lap for a goodnight hug
He calls me Dad and I call him Bub
With his faded old pillow and a bear named Pooh
He snuggles up close and says, "I want to be like you"
I tuck him in bed and I kiss him goodnight
Trippin' over the toys as I turn out the light
And I whisper a prayer that someday he'll see
He's got a father in God 'cause he's seen Jesus in me

Chorus:
Lord, I want to be just like You
'Cause he wants to be just like me
I want to be a holy example
For his innocent eyes to see
Help me be a living Bible, Lord
That my little boy can read
I want to be just like You
'Cause he wants to be like me

Got to admit I've got so far to go
Make so many mistakes and I'm sure that You know
Sometimes it seems no matter how hard I try
With all the pressures in life I just can't get it all right
But I'm trying so hard to learn from the best
Being patient and kind, filled with Your tenderness
'Cause I know that he'll learn from the things that he sees
And the Jesus he finds will be the Jesus in me

Chorus

Right now from where he stands I may seem mighty tall
But it's only 'cause I'm learning from the best Father of them all

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Now we need a song for the ladies... :)

I've always loved that song...and most all PCD...

A couple years ago I was framing houses with a few brothers from my churc for the summer...and we used to play PCD...I figured we were the only construction crew in town listening to PCD while at work...

[Babyruth]

I've always loved that song...and most all PCD...

I love PCD and thanks for posting that song, Elly. :) They are one of my favorite groups. Right now, I've been listening to Third Day, but only a few songs of theirs. I love the words, they are simply amazing.

"May Your Wonders Never Cease"

Father in Heaven
Lord may your name be glorified
above all others, above all this world
above everything else in our lives
for nothing else in all of this world matters
but to live our lives for your and you alone
May your wonders never cease
may your spirit never leave
may we ever long to see your face
and when we turn from you again
oh how quickly we forget
may we be reminded of your grace
May Your Wonders Never Cease
Beautiful Savior
Truly we praise your Love for us
while we as sinners
in all our weakness
and still you gave your life on the cross
you saved us lord from all of our transgressions
and delivered us into your loving arms
May your wonders never cease
may your spirit never leave
may we ever long to see your face
and when we turn from you again
oh how quickly we forget
may we be reminded of your grace
May Your Wonders Never Cease
Father in Heaven
Lord may your name be glorified
above all others, above all this world
above everything else in our lives
for nothing else in all of this world matters
but to live our lives for your and you alone
May your wonders never cease
may your spirit never leave
may we ever long to see your face
and when we turn from you again
oh how quickly we forget
may we be reminded of your grace
May Your Wonders Never Cease

Nothing Compares

I've heard all the stories
I've seen all the signs
Witnessed all the glory
Tasted all that's fine

Nothing compares to the
greatness of knowing You, Lord
Nothing compares to the
greatness of knowing You, Lord

I see all the people
Wasting all their time
Building up their riches
For a life that's fine

I find myself just living for today
'Cause I don't know what
Tomorrow's gonna bring
So no matter if I rise or fall
I'll never be alone, oh no



I also love Show Me Your Glory. (http://www.christianlyricsonline.com/artists/third-day/show-me-your-glory.html) Something about the words of some of their songs just speak to me, so to speak. :D

[TommyLewis]

I like some Third Day...
Mainly I just like Mac Powell's voice...it's such a cool voice...not the best voice I've ever heard, but definetly one of the "coolest."

[Babyruth]

I like some Third Day...
Mainly I just like Mac Powell's voice...it's such a cool voice...not the best voice I've ever heard, but definetly one of the "coolest."
Yeah, I agree. I like mostly the words of a few songs. They're kinda like prayers, the ones I like. I think that's why I like them. Because they're prayers I pray. I don't like all of their stuff though, they add too needless rock. But, we don't need to discuss that all over again. :P

[TommyLewis]

they add too needless rock. But, we don't need to discuss that all over again. :P

No, no we don't...

Where I used to live they would shoot of fireworks on the fourth of July every year over Lake Erie...we would always sit on a hill and watch the fireworks...one year we took a guitar and just chilled out singing while waiting for the fireworks to start...we sang alot of Third Day...that's what I always think of when I think of Third Day...it was so fun...

[Babyruth]

No, no we don't...

Where I used to live they would shoot of fireworks on the fourth of July every year over Lake Erie...we would always sit on a hill and watch the fireworks...one year we took a guitar and just chilled out singing while waiting for the fireworks to start...we sang alot of Third Day...that's what I always think of when I think of Third Day...it was so fun...
:) I like memories like that. I have a few with Chris Rice. <sigh>

[TommyLewis]

Chris Rice puts on an awesome show...

I went a concert of his once where it was just him either playing the piano or the guitar and singing, and one guy playing the bongos...It was awesome...so many artists need guitars and drums and etc etc to sound good...he was awesome with just basic music, his voice, and his incredible lyrics...

[Babyruth]

Chris Rice puts on an awesome show...

I went a concert of his once where it was just him either playing the piano or the guitar and singing, and one guy playing the bongos...It was awesome...so many artists need guitars and drums and etc etc to sound good...he was awesome with just basic music, his voice, and his incredible lyrics...
I should have said, "of Chris Rice," meaning friends and I listening to his music. Having never seen a live concert, I don't know, but I have seen some videos, which I like for their simplicity. I came across his "The Living Room Sessions" CD which is just him in his living room playing hymns on his piano. It's beautiful.

[Nomes]

Other people like Third Day..

I really like them. They do alot for me.

[wwwjer2911]

Big Daddy Weave - Every Time I Breathe

I am sure all of heaven's heard me cry
As I tell You all the reasons why
This life is just too hard

But day by day
Without fail
I'm finding everything I need
And everything that You are
To me

Chorus:
Every time I breathe You seem a little bit closer
I never want to leave
I want to stay in Your warm embrace
Oh basking in the glory shining from Your face
And every time I get another glimpse of Your heart
I realize it's true
That You are so marvelous God
And I am so in love with You

Now how could I after knowing One so great
Respond to You in any way
That's less than all I have to give
But by Your grace I want to love You not with what
I say
But everyday
In a way that my life is lived

Chorus:
Every time I breathe You seem a little bit closer
I never want to leave
I want to stay in Your warm embrace
Oh basking in the glory shining from Your face
And every time I get another glimpse of Your heart
I realize it's true
That You are so marvelous God
And I am so in love with You

Wrapped in Your mercy I want to live and never leave
I am held by how humble
Yet overwhelmed by Your majesty
Captured by grace and now I'm finding
I am free
You are marvelous God
And knowing You is everything

-----

You people like this song?





I do :)........

[AgapZoe]

I do :)........
I so too, had not seen it before then you come and exacavate it from the old posts ... nice lyrics!

[AgapZoe]

I meant I do too - S is next to D on my keyboard---couldn't edit, time was up!

[mad_wrapper]

does anyone else here besides me like david phelps stuff...he has such an amazing voice and i love singing with his songs to try and match his range...not normally successful...here's one of my favorite duets (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243986796208353322&q=david+phelps+sandi+patti+whole+new+world&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) that he does on a mark lowry concert with sandi patti...he used to be with the gaithers, but split and is going solo...quite successfully i think...oh yeah, another great clip (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243986796208353322&q=david+phelps+sandi+patti+whole+new+world&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) of the gvb singing let freedom ring

[wwwjer2911]

does anyone else here besides me like david phelps stuff...he has such an amazing voice and i love singing with his songs to try and match his range...not normally successful...here's one of my favorite duets (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243986796208353322&q=david+phelps+sandi+patti+whole+new+world&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) that he does on a mark lowry concert with sandi patti...he used to be with the gaithers, but split and is going solo...quite successfully i think...oh yeah, another great clip (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243986796208353322&q=david+phelps+sandi+patti+whole+new+world&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) of the gvb singing let freedom ring

The second link is the same as the first one......

[Noe]

i like david phelps songs

[TommyLewis]

i like david phelps songs

I like his voice...don't always like his songs...but he is a talented vocalist...

[mad_wrapper]

I like his voice...don't always like his songs...but he is a talented vocalist...
it's ok, i don't really like chris rice songs either...maybe 2 or 3 i'll actually listen to and like


The second link is the same as the first one......
so sorry, here's the correct link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHdcvIEBODI)

alternate link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4NX7QswymI) for the same song, but at the white house

[TommyLewis]

here's one of my favorite duets (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1243986796208353322&q=david+phelps+sandi+patti+whole+new+world&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) that he does on a mark lowry concert with sandi patti...

Gotta love the Disney songs though...haha
I liked David better with the GVB I think...GVB is one of the few christian country singers/groups I like...

[Megs]

http://bridemusic.org/song_details.asp?id=994

http://bridemusic.org/song_details.asp?id=995


my alltime fav songs right now... anybody that knows this guy, tell him he either needs to move to CBW or release an album i can get ahold of!!

[Megs]

argh... time was up...

i was gonna add that i would have an opinion on above mentioned artists if i knew who they were... hmm PCD, yes, Chris Rice, <love 'lemonade'> but the rest i may have heard and not known.. by older bro burned some cd's once upon a time, and i became heiress when he didnt care anymore... i need new music tho... the same 3cds get old after awhile

any suggestions?

[leahmb]

http://bridemusic.org/song_details.asp?id=994

http://bridemusic.org/song_details.asp?id=995


my alltime fav songs right now... anybody that knows this guy, tell him he either needs to move to CBW or release an album i can get ahold of!!

There may be more of his stuff on messagemusic.org. I know the lyrics for those songs are........

What's a popular PCD song I may know?

[Megs]

pcd = phillips craig and dean . some of thier stuff is on here earlier in the thread ( Lord I wanna be just like you...)

[Rachel]

i loooooooooove music... all kinds, depends on the mood

[jordancpeterson]

i loooooooooove music... all kinds, depends on the mood

Whoa! You posted! :D

[Babyruth]

There may be more of his stuff on messagemusic.org. I know the lyrics for those songs are........

What's a popular PCD song I may know?
"Your Name" commonly known as "Your Mom" :D
"Saved the Day"
"Amazed" -on my xanga

Somehow, over half my music deleted itself from my computer over the past few months. I'm sooo mad and sad! I don't know how or where. I just happened to discover it when I searched for a song in Windows Media player and it was not there, so I went to my Music, and it's gone! :012:

[leahmb]

pcd = phillips craig and dean . some of thier stuff is on here earlier in the thread ( Lord I wanna be just like you...)

I knew that....<embarrased>

[Rachel]

Whoa! You posted! :D

i know its been a while eh? easy on me buddy :)

[EllyMae]

Another great song...

"A Soldier On His Knees" by The Crabb Family

What an honor to be called a Soldier of the Cross,
An army that has never turned back never suffered loss.
Our weapons are not carnal, our strong holds you can't see,
This army becomes mighty, by time spent on our knees.

(Chorus)
I'm not ashamed for you to see this soldier on his knees.
You might even see a tear or hear a humble plea.
Some may call it weakness, some may question my strength.
Oh but you must see the power's not of me.
I prepare for battle on my knees.

(2nd Verse)
I've watched mothers pray for children so lost and full of sin, and
I see those same prayers answered as the spirit brought them in,
and I have watched ol' Satan like a dark cloud hanging over, but
when I plead the blood of Jesus the clouds were there no more.

(Chorus)
I'm not ashamed for you to see this soldier on his knees.
You might even see a tear or hear a humble plea.
Some may call it weakness, some may question my strength.
Oh but you must see the power's not of me.
I prepare for battle on my knees.

(Bridge)
We have faced the powers of darkness when it looked like we would fail.
Met the challenge of the enemy, by the power of God prevailed.

[HotShot53]

i know its been a while eh? easy on me buddy :)

it has been quite a while, actually ;) Welcome back :)

[wwwjer2911]

Somehow, over half my music deleted itself from my computer over the past few months. I'm sooo mad and sad! I don't know how or where. I just happened to discover it when I searched for a song in Windows Media player and it was not there, so I went to my Music, and it's gone! :012:

:worthy: That happened to me too!! Only mine was in iTunes and all of a sudden it just disappeared!! I was soooo mad. It was like 70 songs. :y14: Anyone have any ideas as to why this has happened to us poor unsuspecting souls? :confused:

[eagleendtime]

A failing Hard drive. Might be the reason, A virsus another, or corrupt operating system about to crash.

All the reason to have a backup.

[Megs]

A failing Hard drive. Might be the reason, A virsus another, or corrupt operating system about to crash.

dont sound too optimistic!

[TommyLewis]

dont sound too optimistic!

Well would you rather he be optimistic or honest? Sometimes you can't really be both...haha...

[Nate]

Was it DRM free music? iTunes might have killed it?

[joris]

A failing Hard drive. Might be the reason, A virsus another, or corrupt operating system about to crash.

All the reason to have a backup.That last one would likely to be caused to hard drive failing... There isn't really much of a reason for a operating system to make files disappear.

Though yea, it might just be that drm stuff - stay away from drm, it is really able to take away your ability to listen to your music.

[wwwjer2911]

Was it DRM free music? iTunes might have killed it?

Most of it I bought from iTunes, but it wasn't DRM-free. The others were imported from cd's.


ohhh well. Can't do anything about it now. Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

[eagleendtime]

I have had a operating system fail, ugh! lost a few files, but none of critical value and even than using a hard drive recovery program brought them back.


But here is quote about Bro. Branham on music.

BLIND.BARTIMAEUS_ KLAMATH.FALLS.OR WEDNESDAY_ 60-0713
E-74 You know, that's the way to get God close to you, is think about Him, talk about Him. Just keep Jesus... Don't talk about the things of the world; talk about Jesus. That's the way to do it. People may think you're a little funny, but that's all right. Just keep on, let your conversation be about Him. Here...
I want to stop here a minute. My son, Billy... He's around here somewhere. Here about three or four years ago, we were in a meeting. And he... They was playing some kind of music or something. We went in after service at Wood River, Illinois. And we went in to get some--some food. And they was playing some kind of a song. I don't know what it was.
And he said, "Daddy, ain't that a pretty song?"
I said, "What song?"
And I despise them little old juke boxes, ever what you call it. I've went into a many restaurant and said, "Lady, I'll lay two dollars down here; I got my family, if you'll pull the plug out of that filthy thing there, 'till I can let my family eat. You just pull the plug out."

BLIND.BARTIMAEUS_ KLAMATH.FALLS.OR WEDNESDAY_ 60-0713
E-75 Them old rock and rolls, and boogly-woogly, and every that kind of stuff, it's a disgrace. It makes me so nervous, you can't eat. I--I--I don't mind it myself, 'cause I got a little gear I can pull myself in and just keep thinking about God, and I don't hear it at all.
So after awhile (He was single then, before he was married.), some little lady would tip by, and he said, "Daddy, hasn't she got pretty hair?"
I said, "Who?"
He said, "Daddy, all you think about is the Bible and God."
I said, "Thank you, honey. That's a very nice compliment. That's all I want to think about." That's right. Think... If I can just keep my mind settled on Him all the time, that's all that's necessary.

Bro. Branham kept his mind so much on God, he could tune out the music. Now with his family present he thought to silence it.

[NeedGod]

Oh thats wonderful. About an year ago something like that would happen to me. I would get into a matatu(small minivans that carry about 14 people for transport in Kenya) and i would start reading a message book. They usually put real loud music in them matatus, but i would pray to God to tune it out. After a while, i wouldn't hear it anymore and i could rejoice in the message book. I'm looking for that again cause i kinda went back sometime early this year and lost it... I know it takes simple faith...

[Jezz]

I was on my way to soccer with a friend of mine from church who listens to alot of loud rock music and I can't stand it so I prayed to God about it and my friends amplifier broke a few minutes later :)

[NeedGod]

Wow Jezz thats awesome. Did you tell him?

[BroTrevor]

Once it was the blessing,
Now it is the Lord.
Once it was the feeling,
Now it is His Word.
Once His Gift I wanted,
Now the Giver own.
Once I sought for healing,
Now Himself Alone.
All in All forever,
Jesus will I sing.
Everything in Jesus,
And Jesus everything.

-A B Simpson

[EllyMae]

Once it was the blessing,
Now it is the Lord.
Once it was the feeling,
Now it is His Word.
Once His Gift I wanted,
Now the Giver own.
Once I sought for healing,
Now Himself Alone.
All in All forever,
Jesus will I sing.
Everything in Jesus,
And Jesus everything.

-A B Simpson

I love that! I first read of it in the Church Age book. :)

[BroTrevor]

I love that! I first read of it in the Church Age book. :)

me too.

:)

[Jezz]

We sing that song in church, I think it has an extra paragraph in it but in essence its still the same. I'll have to steal a song book and take it home next Sunday and post the words.

[EllyMae]

We sing that song in church, I think it has an extra paragraph in it but in essence its still the same. I'll have to steal a song book and take it home next Sunday and post the words.

Yes, please do. I'd love to actually hear the song...

[Jezz]

Yes, please do. I'd love to actually hear the song...

Well you ain't gonna hear me singing it :-p

I'll see if I can get the sheet music for you though if you want

[EllyMae]

Well you ain't gonna hear me singing it :-p

I'll see if I can get the sheet music for you though if you want

Ohh.. c'mon! :D

[NeedGod]

Let me get this straight, Elly is encouraging Jeremy to steal a book from church and Jeremy is playing along. Oh that confounds me. Hehe

[EllyMae]

Let me get this straight, Elly is encouraging Jeremy to steal a book from church and Jeremy is playing along. Oh that confounds me. Hehe

Uhh... I have a song book from church, too...

:peep:

[Jezz]

Once it was the blessing, now it is the Lord
Once it was the feeling, now it is His Word
Once His gifts I wanted, now the Giver own
Once I sought for healing, how Himself alone

Chorus:'
All in all for ever, Jesus will I sing;
Everything in Jesus, and Jesus everything

Once 'twas busy planning, now 'tis trustful pray'r;
Once 'twas anxious caring, now He has the care;
Once 'twas what I wanted, now what Jesus say;
Once 'twas constant asking, now 'tis ceaseless praise

Once I hoped in Jesys, now I know He's mine;
Once my lamps were dying, now they brightly shine;
Once for death I wanted, now His coming hail;
And my hopes are anchor'd safe within the veil.

I'm still not going to sing it for you :-p
Just ask if you want the music though

[EllyMae]

I like the rest of the song, too. :)

Especially this line...

"Once my lamps were dying, now they brightly shine;"