Do we all stand 100% behind what Bro:Branham said??

[God'schild]

Frist and foremost i do not want this thread to turn into a fight.

Second of all i want to know is if everyone stand 100% behind what Bro:Branham said... I do i believe what he said on the tapes was God speaking through him no matter if it was THUS SAITH THE LORD OR NOT,
He was the PROPHET for this age GOD'S VOICE to these Last days.

Ethier we believe everything Bro:Branham said or none of it at all we can't pick and chose what we want to believe because if we do how do we know what to believe...

And if Bro:Branham made a mistake on the tapes(i know he didn't) Then the Holy Spirit through Bro:Branham would correct it....

Ethier we believe what he said or don't not only 99.9% EVERYTHING

( if this turns into a fight or an agurment then i will have to close this thread and maybe even leave the forums myself)

[HotShot53]

I believe this topic was covered pretty much in this thread: http://www.yqnews.org/forums/showthread.php?t=485

But to restate my opinion: Bro. Branham was the prophet for our day, and God spoke through him. Everything that he said was Thus Saith the Lord was 100% correct every time. The vast majority of what he said the rest of the time was the truth. But he was also a man as well, who did not have perfect knowledge of the world, and who was not God. If we say that Bro. Branham was perfect, and we can't say anything that he didn't already say, that sounds way too much like we are making it into a denomination, and putting a period on the end. Bro. Branham was our Brother, the prophet for our age... but not our Pope.

[Jezz]

I believe everything that William Branham the Prophet brought to us

I do not believe everything that William Branham the man brought because he is just that, a man, he made mistakes such as when he said he thought the rapture (or was it another major event? can't quite recall) would take place in 1977, he made it clear that this was a prediction that he made as a private student of the bible and not as the prophet to this age and certainly not Thus Saith The Lord.

Now you are right, you can't just pick and choose what to believe. Otherwise you can just take the parts you want to believe and ignore the rest. That is why you take everything he said and put it back into the Bible to understand it and wait for God to reveal to you his Word. I believe any mistakes that Brother Branham made over the pulpit concering the Word, God corrected later on in his ministry especially after those seven angels came and visited him.

Do I believe Brother Branham made mistakes concerning the Word over the pulpit that weren't corrected? No I do not.

[marichino_freedom]

That is why you take everything he said and put it back into the Bible to understand it and wait for God to reveal to you his Word.


Amen! I agree with this. It all comes back to what the Bible says......

[azurity]

This topic again!! *grin*

I love it. Even tho I know people are going to disagree with me... I'm going to say what I believe. Just because I can't let this one slide.

I know I could make enemies by saying this. That isn't my point. I think we're all big enough people to be able to disagree whole-heartedly, but still love each other anyway. (Yes, there's a quote on that, but I've got plenty of other quotes I want to paste, so don't want to wear you out.)

I believe that Brother Branham was the prophet messenger to this church age. I'm sure most of you believe that.

I believe he had the Word of God for this generation. And to say anything more, I'm going to have to use quotes, because I can't say it the way a prophet says it. I was looking for a particular quote I heard years ago, but before I found it, I came across this one:

JEHOVAH.JIREH_ KARLSRUHE.GR WEDNESDAY_ 55-0817
E-9 Now, there's a difference between a gift of prophecy, and a prophet. One is a gift of prophecy, and the other one is a prophet. A gift of prophecy must be judged by two or three spiritual men. It can come upon one person tonight, be on another person tomorrow night, and on another one the next night. What it is, is a gift in every local body, a church.
But a prophet is different. They are borned a prophet. And they come up prophets. All that they say must be true, every time, or it cannot be recognized as a prophet in the office. Now, God has done wonderful things for us. He's not willing that any should perish. He wants us all to come home to Him.


This is the actual quote I was looking for:

THE.RAPTURE_ YUMA.AZ V-5 N-14 SATURDAY_ 65-1204
136 And it's always... The way you could tell him, He said, "If there be one among you who's spiritual or a prophet..." Now, a prophet... There's such a thing as gift of prophecy in the church, but a prophet is predestinated and foreordained for the hour. See? Yes, sir.
Now, if a prophecy goes forth, two or three have to set and judge whether that's right or not 'fore the church can receive it. But nobody's set before a prophet, 'cause he was--he was absolutely the Word of God. He was that Word in his age. He seen God reflect...
138 Now, if God has promised to send us that again in the last days to bring that Bride out of that ecclesiastical mess, and it... Only way it can be done. It'll never be done... The church can't receive Christ. We... The Pentecostals, we can't carry this Message on in the condition the church is in today. How we going to carry out the end time in the condition they're in today, when every one against the other, and everything else, and ecclesiastically? Oh, mercy. It's a mess. It's done gone into denominations. And any time, I ask any historian to--to--to say different. Every time that a message went forth in the earth and when they organized it, it died right there. And Pentecost done the same thing as they all... The Pentecost that come out...


You can say what you like that Brother Branham make mistakes over different things, that what he says doesn't agree with the knowledge we have in the world & in science today, but in my experience, the more science tries to disagree with God's word, it only proves it more. Because it's the truth.

BELIEVEST.THOU.THIS_ MINNEAPOLIS.MN SUNDAY_ 50-0716
E-52 I'd rather have a man that didn't know split beans from coffee, and knowed God in His heart to deal with my people, than I would some man with enough education to choke a mule, and know nothing about God. That's right. God bless your heart, brother. An old fashion sassafras experience, what we need today.


I firmly believe that just because something goes against what I've been taught previously, doesn't make the Message wrong. Even if it goes against all reason, against logic, or I simply don't understand it, then it's for me to take it before God and for Him to reveal it to me. I believe everything that was recorded on those tapes was said for a reason.

I would much rather take a prophet's "mistakes" over some lay-member's corrections. Like Brother Matti Honkanen from Finland says "if someone is wanting to come and correct the mistakes Brother Branham made, he better be a prophet twice as vindicated, or I'm not going to believe him."

And like Brother Billy Paul tells the story about the brother that said he was sent to correct the mistakes in the Message. Brother Billy Paul says, "I wish I had your job, brother. Because you haven't got a thing to do."

I agree with that. Totally. Not just because it was said by Brother Billy Paul (I do have a great deal of respect for him. He's a precious brother) but because in my heart, I know it's perfect.

THE.CONFLICT.BETWEEN.GOD.AND.SATAN_ CLARKSVILLE.IN THURSDAY_ 62-0531
E-62 Noah went in; he followed the will of God. And God shut the door behind him. But it never rained for seven more days. Wonder what Noah thought all that time in there? Noah setting in the ark, the door shut, he thought, "Just any time, children, you'll hear it. We'll pull the door, the lid up here on top." They was up on the top floor, you know. The animals on the bottom, the birds in the next, and they was on top. "That sun, oh, in the morning, there'll be--there'll be something over there, dark, and the rain will come." But the next morning up come the sun.
Maybe some people that kind of halfway believed Noah might've went up there and stood around the ark, and said, "You know what? That old man might have been right. We'd better stand here." Well then, they seen a mistake. God's prophets make no mistake. God's Word can't fail.You've heard me preach on about Jonah going to Nineveh. They said he was backslidden; he sure wasn't. He was right in the will of God, exactly. He had the Word of the Lord, and he walked in it.


I love this Message with all my heart. I believe every Word to be the truth. I believe it is all vindicated by God. Ever since I first heard the Message, I have known it to be the truth. I've never found one reason to disagree with it. Receiving the Holy Ghost only increased my hunger to feed on it, because it became so much more alive to me then.

I am not making Brother Branham God. I am not worshipping a man. I simply believe that he had the word of God for the hour, and... well, let me show you how he said it...

SPIRITUAL.FOOD.IN.DUE.SEASON_ JEFF.IN V-8 N-7 SUNDAY_ 65-0718E
91 Now, we find out that Elijah could say that because the message of the hour and the Word of God... Or the messenger, the Message--the Message and the Word was exactly the same thing. The prophet, the Word, the Message; messenger, Message, and man was the same. Jesus said, "If I do not the works that's written of Me, then don't believe Me." That's good. Any man and his message is one.
That's why today that they do not believe in doing the works of God, because they do not accept the Message of God. They don't believe the Message.
But those who believe God's hour that we're living in, these things are hidden food. Just think. God has so hid it that they look right at it and don't see it. The same way that Elijah blinded the Syrian army, the same way that God blinds the unbeliever from the true genuine Food of the child, the believer.


I believe that he was a prophet and spoke the Word of God just the same as Paul did. Brother Branham talks about that when he tells of the time he went beyong the Curtain of Time:

210-1 PERGAMEAN.CHURCH.AGE - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.5
The man said, "We are resting here while waiting for the coming of the Lord."
I replied, "I want to see Him."
He said, "You can't see Him just yet; but He is coming soon, and when He does He will come to you first, and you will be judged according to the Gospel you have preached, and we will be your subjects."
I said, "Do you mean I am responsible for all these?"
He said, "Every one. You were born a leader."
I asked him, "Will every one be responsible? What about Saint Paul?"
He answered me, "He will be responsible for his day."
"Well," I said, "I've preached the same Gospel that Paul preached." And multitude cried, "We're resting on that."


And I'm resting on that, too.

Wow, there's so much more I could say! I feel like I'm not half done yet. But I think I might have said too much already.

I really hope I haven't offended anyone. That wasn't my point. In fact, I don't even care if no one responds to this at all. Because I know what I have believed. I aren't interested in other people's philosophy's on this matter. It's already settled in my soul...

God thought it. The prophet spoke it. I believe it. That settles it!

If nothing else, I got blessed just reading these quotes again. I haven't heard some of them for a few years, but they are all so real. Oh, this Message is so precious!

I think I'm going to start looking into Bible verses next, about this. Just for those that don't love reading quotes the way I do.

God bless you all. And remember, even if we disagree on doctrine, I still love you as my sisters & brothers in the body of Christ.

(PS. I'm sorry this is so long. Well... no, I'm not sorry. I just hope that it's not too long for some people to read. I actually just deleted some. Because this thing only allows for 10,000 characters, and I was more than 200 over. *grin*)

[BroTrevor]

Azurity... Good research. Excellent post.


Do I believe Brother Branham made mistakes concerning the Word over the pulpit that weren't corrected? No I do not.

Jezz, Well stated.

The precendent for this is set in the following...

THE.FEAST.OF.THE.TRUMPETS_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-16 SUNDAY_ 64-0719M
33-1 Notice, now quickly Revelations 9 (under the Seventh Trumpet, their king is from the bottomless pits), and in Leviticus now, how perfect the interpretation is here with the Word, because (See?) immediately following the Pentecostal jubilee followed the day of an atonement. The order of the feast time, between the Pentecostal feast to the atonement, the sound of the Trumpets for the atonement was the Pentecostal feast, the long period of time.
Look, there was a long period of time between the Pentecostal feast to the calling of the--of the trump--the sounding of the Trumpets, the--the Trumpets to be sound, a long period of time. Frankly, it was fifty days from the--from the--from the Feast of Pentecost to the Feast of the Atonement, was fifty days. Now, fifty days is exactly seven sabbaths. And seven sabbaths is the seven church years--church ages. Get it? See, see?
THE.FEAST.OF.THE.TRUMPETS_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-16 SUNDAY_ 64-0719M
33-3 Now, the Jews has been blinded, waiting all this time, while the Pentecostal firstfruits has been poured out upon the church. And we've come down through the martyr ages, and down through the reformer ages, and now in the calling-out age, three sections, same Spirit, like Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, same One. See? But seven church ages, being seven sabbaths, exactly seven sabbaths from the--from the Pentecostal jubilee trumpet--a Pentecostal jubilee feast, until--the waving of the sheaf, and then the Pentecostal jubilee. And then from the jubilee to the atonement is seven sabbaths, fifty days. And at the end of the fifty days is--the atonement is made. You get it?



QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.1_ JEFF.IN COD SUNDAY_ 64-0823M
965-204 Like the other day, I got something mixed up; I happened to hear it, and it's... I caught it right there; and it's on the tape, and I--I'll probably hear from it. When I was talking about the Seven Trumpets, I said it was seven trumpets. I was referring to the Pentecostal feast. From the Pentecostal feast until the seven--until the--the Trumpets, there was seven Sabbaths. Seven Sabbaths was between the feast of Passover to Pentecost (you see?), which made the fifty days. See? But what I was referring to, being that, I said, "That means the Seven Church Ages."
On that tape (if you happen to get it or anything)--on that tape it should be, that the seventh month after that brought in the--the feast of the Trumpets, which meant the Seven Church Ages: seven months, not seven Sabbaths. Seven Sabbaths went to... I did explain it on there. I said the seven Sabbaths, like that, but then I carried that same thought on over, when it's the seventh month after the Feast of the Passover--or at the feast of--of Pentecost, then come the feast after the sheaf was brought in, waved. You see then--then... Remember there, the sheaf turns into a loaf of bread after that time. See? When the--the sheaf of--one sheaf, then all goes into one loaf. Oh, it's a great teaching there; I didn't touch the edge of it. But if you happen to catch that on your tape, remember, look in the Bible. You see, it's seven months after that. Count off seven months: January, February, March, April, May, June, July--it'd be July, seven months, which represents the full Seven Church Ages. Some minister might pick that up, and then you'd have it. You see there? All right.


but we also have to take into account....

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-3 {266} 23a. In Revelations verse 5 to 9, who are these found sing--singing when the Lamb takes the Book out of the--out of the... takes the book... Are--Oh, are these the raptured saints?
No, Revelations 6... 5 and 9, rather, no. If you notice, these are not the saints. He has never claimed His property yet. See? This is not the saints. If you notice, they're the elders and the beast, and they sing.
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-4 {268} Let's read it so that person... And then I'm going to try... I've got about half a dozen more here, and I think I can get them in few minutes. Let's see. Revelations 5:9. Now, let's read just a little bit before, so... The person now is honest about this and they want to know. Watch.
And when he had taken the--taken the book, the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps,... golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sang a new song... (See, see?)..., saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open it.
See? Thou has redeemed us and made us priests and kings; that's the heavenly group, not yet the redeemed. All right. Now.
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-5 {269} 24. Brother Branham, if all the... (Now, just a moment. I guess what... Pardon me.) Brother Branham, if--if all the godly (Yeah.)--godly be taken up in the rapture, where will Elijah and the--and Moses come from?
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
501-1 {270} There's something wrong. There's something wrong. Now, that's just all there is to it. There's--there's something's happened. See? There's something that went wrong somewhere. Everybody feeling all right? There's no--there's no sickness or nothing? [A man in the congregation requests that Brother Branham read Revelation 5:9 again--Ed.] Let's see, Revelations, where was it, brother? 5... The... Oh, the question. Oh, the question I was answering. Now, let's see. "Thou..." [Continuation of Question 23--Ed.]
And when he had... the book, the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints.
And they sang a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seal thereof: for thou has--wast slain,... (And here it is. Here it is. I was wrong on that. See?)... thou has redeemed us to God by the blood of every kindred,...
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
501-2 {271} That's right. Now, what do you think about that? Oh, if the Presence of the Holy Ghost isn't here, what is? He wouldn't let... See, I only read the first part of that verse. See, it's just--it's just a--or something wrote here, and I was trying to get through, looking at that clock. But you see Him stop me on that? Glory. I never read the other part of that. See, I got here: "and..." Look here. "And they--and they sang a new song," and I stopped. See? But look here, "the song they sang, saying, You have redeemed us out of every kindred, tongue, and nation." Sure, that's them. My, oh, my, oh, my. See it? And by the way, there's another question down here too.

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QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
502-2 {274} I just... It just felt like something just rolled over me there and said, "Go back; go back." And I thought, "Go back, what? Stop right now and start praying for the sick? What--what is it? What have I done?" And just as I started to reach for that, somebody said, "Read the verse over again." I read it over, and there at the bottom of this question, there it was (See?) Revelations 6.
See, I read the first; it does sound like it at the first (See?), "And they sang a new song..." But down here, see what it was? the next, coming on down, "has redeemed us." Sure it was the Bride, the raptured saints. Could you... And here... Certainly, the--the Lamb had the Book in His hand. He'd done left the Throne of mediatorial grace. See?
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
502-4 {275} You see how the Holy Spirit watches that? 'Cause exactly, that's the same thing I said the other night, when He had talked to me in the room, and I come down here and preached to you all: that when the Lamb left the place (Oh, my. Now, I believe we'll just take a text. See?)--the Lamb had left His seat and come forth (See?), as I got up there when He was present, that Light, which is Christ... When He was present, told... When the Lamb leaves that seat of the throne, to--being a Mediator, He becomes down here, and the day of redemption for the church is finished.



Truly with the Holy Spirit watching over things... we have nothing to fear. We can just believe.

[already bought]

I totaly agree with you sister!!!!!!!!!! 100%

Wow all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I started rejoycing when I read your post. GOD BLESS YOU soooooooo much for it. It was what I was trying to say the whole time.!!!!!!
I started haveing a AWESOME time over this!!!
Also thanks for your email. It's great to know that people care about you and your not the only one who Believes it.
Now to all the others, Brother's and sister's. You will always be my brothers and sisters and that won't change. But I was leaving becuase of this vary reason. I hated the fact that the message was being soo distroyed by oh he was a man and made mistakes. I for one agree he was a man but He didn't make no mistakes on tape!
It really really greved me. I mean we are so close to the end. The rapture is right at the door and this is not a time to pick what we want to believe. And I trully believe with every thing thats with in, that how are you going to make it if you don't believe it all. Like this is what is going to give us the rapturing faith to get out of this world. And if Brother Branham made mistakes in the tapes what about the Bible?
Also I would rather Believe it All then just believe 99.9% of it. Its kind of like well if I came to the end of the road and found out God was not real and I was going to hell and every thing that I believed was not true. I would rather go on like this becuase I Love it. I Love being able to Believe it all, to not have to question and not use my brain when I'm reading the message or the Bible. I might not understand it or see how it could be but I would rather Believe it this way and know I was following God then have a question in my mind about it.
Also in the Bible when Jesus was born. It was hard for poeple to believe he was virgen born. Like come on people really you can't believe that now can you? I mean Like with out a man and you have a child and you are a virgen. Like to the human mind it dose not work. But God did it and it happend. Thats why its so important to, when you read the message and the Bible to not try to figer it out, or reason (that what satan wants us to do is reason weather it true or not, whats truth and what is not). Because satan works in the mind, God works in the heart.
See to man what wise, to God is foolsh and to God what is wise to man is foolish. And like she said I would rather take this. The vindicated Word with a grade seven education, Then some man that had all the knowlege in the World.
Also we might not agree. But I've never been happyer then I am right now. I LOVE Believeing every word, every iota!, every thing.
I Have NEVER been happyer then I am now.

[already bought]

This topic again!! *grin*

I love it. Even tho I know people are going to disagree with me... I'm going to say what I believe. Just because I can't let this one slide.

I know I could make enemies by saying this. That isn't my point. I think we're all big enough people to be able to disagree whole-heartedly, but still love each other anyway. (Yes, there's a quote on that, but I've got plenty of other quotes I want to paste, so don't want to wear you out.)

I believe that Brother Branham was the prophet messenger to this church age. I'm sure most of you believe that.

I believe he had the Word of God for this generation. And to say anything more, I'm going to have to use quotes, because I can't say it the way a prophet says it. I was looking for a particular quote I heard years ago, but before I found it, I came across this one:

JEHOVAH.JIREH_ KARLSRUHE.GR WEDNESDAY_ 55-0817
E-9 Now, there's a difference between a gift of prophecy, and a prophet. One is a gift of prophecy, and the other one is a prophet. A gift of prophecy must be judged by two or three spiritual men. It can come upon one person tonight, be on another person tomorrow night, and on another one the next night. What it is, is a gift in every local body, a church.
But a prophet is different. They are borned a prophet. And they come up prophets. All that they say must be true, every time, or it cannot be recognized as a prophet in the office. Now, God has done wonderful things for us. He's not willing that any should perish. He wants us all to come home to Him.


This is the actual quote I was looking for:

THE.RAPTURE_ YUMA.AZ V-5 N-14 SATURDAY_ 65-1204
136 And it's always... The way you could tell him, He said, "If there be one among you who's spiritual or a prophet..." Now, a prophet... There's such a thing as gift of prophecy in the church, but a prophet is predestinated and foreordained for the hour. See? Yes, sir.
Now, if a prophecy goes forth, two or three have to set and judge whether that's right or not 'fore the church can receive it. But nobody's set before a prophet, 'cause he was--he was absolutely the Word of God. He was that Word in his age. He seen God reflect...
138 Now, if God has promised to send us that again in the last days to bring that Bride out of that ecclesiastical mess, and it... Only way it can be done. It'll never be done... The church can't receive Christ. We... The Pentecostals, we can't carry this Message on in the condition the church is in today. How we going to carry out the end time in the condition they're in today, when every one against the other, and everything else, and ecclesiastically? Oh, mercy. It's a mess. It's done gone into denominations. And any time, I ask any historian to--to--to say different. Every time that a message went forth in the earth and when they organized it, it died right there. And Pentecost done the same thing as they all... The Pentecost that come out...


You can say what you like that Brother Branham make mistakes over different things, that what he says doesn't agree with the knowledge we have in the world & in science today, but in my experience, the more science tries to disagree with God's word, it only proves it more. Because it's the truth.

BELIEVEST.THOU.THIS_ MINNEAPOLIS.MN SUNDAY_ 50-0716
E-52 I'd rather have a man that didn't know split beans from coffee, and knowed God in His heart to deal with my people, than I would some man with enough education to choke a mule, and know nothing about God. That's right. God bless your heart, brother. An old fashion sassafras experience, what we need today.


I firmly believe that just because something goes against what I've been taught previously, doesn't make the Message wrong. Even if it goes against all reason, against logic, or I simply don't understand it, then it's for me to take it before God and for Him to reveal it to me. I believe everything that was recorded on those tapes was said for a reason.

I would much rather take a prophet's "mistakes" over some lay-member's corrections. Like Brother Matti Honkanen from Finland says "if someone is wanting to come and correct the mistakes Brother Branham made, he better be a prophet twice as vindicated, or I'm not going to believe him."

And like Brother Billy Paul tells the story about the brother that said he was sent to correct the mistakes in the Message. Brother Billy Paul says, "I wish I had your job, brother. Because you haven't got a thing to do."

I agree with that. Totally. Not just because it was said by Brother Billy Paul (I do have a great deal of respect for him. He's a precious brother) but because in my heart, I know it's perfect.

THE.CONFLICT.BETWEEN.GOD.AND.SATAN_ CLARKSVILLE.IN THURSDAY_ 62-0531
E-62 Noah went in; he followed the will of God. And God shut the door behind him. But it never rained for seven more days. Wonder what Noah thought all that time in there? Noah setting in the ark, the door shut, he thought, "Just any time, children, you'll hear it. We'll pull the door, the lid up here on top." They was up on the top floor, you know. The animals on the bottom, the birds in the next, and they was on top. "That sun, oh, in the morning, there'll be--there'll be something over there, dark, and the rain will come." But the next morning up come the sun.
Maybe some people that kind of halfway believed Noah might've went up there and stood around the ark, and said, "You know what? That old man might have been right. We'd better stand here." Well then, they seen a mistake. God's prophets make no mistake. God's Word can't fail.You've heard me preach on about Jonah going to Nineveh. They said he was backslidden; he sure wasn't. He was right in the will of God, exactly. He had the Word of the Lord, and he walked in it.


I love this Message with all my heart. I believe every Word to be the truth. I believe it is all vindicated by God. Ever since I first heard the Message, I have known it to be the truth. I've never found one reason to disagree with it. Receiving the Holy Ghost only increased my hunger to feed on it, because it became so much more alive to me then.

I am not making Brother Branham God. I am not worshipping a man. I simply believe that he had the word of God for the hour, and... well, let me show you how he said it...

SPIRITUAL.FOOD.IN.DUE.SEASON_ JEFF.IN V-8 N-7 SUNDAY_ 65-0718E
91 Now, we find out that Elijah could say that because the message of the hour and the Word of God... Or the messenger, the Message--the Message and the Word was exactly the same thing. The prophet, the Word, the Message; messenger, Message, and man was the same. Jesus said, "If I do not the works that's written of Me, then don't believe Me." That's good. Any man and his message is one.
That's why today that they do not believe in doing the works of God, because they do not accept the Message of God. They don't believe the Message.
But those who believe God's hour that we're living in, these things are hidden food. Just think. God has so hid it that they look right at it and don't see it. The same way that Elijah blinded the Syrian army, the same way that God blinds the unbeliever from the true genuine Food of the child, the believer.


I believe that he was a prophet and spoke the Word of God just the same as Paul did. Brother Branham talks about that when he tells of the time he went beyong the Curtain of Time:

210-1 PERGAMEAN.CHURCH.AGE - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.5
The man said, "We are resting here while waiting for the coming of the Lord."
I replied, "I want to see Him."
He said, "You can't see Him just yet; but He is coming soon, and when He does He will come to you first, and you will be judged according to the Gospel you have preached, and we will be your subjects."
I said, "Do you mean I am responsible for all these?"
He said, "Every one. You were born a leader."
I asked him, "Will every one be responsible? What about Saint Paul?"
He answered me, "He will be responsible for his day."
"Well," I said, "I've preached the same Gospel that Paul preached." And multitude cried, "We're resting on that."


And I'm resting on that, too.

Wow, there's so much more I could say! I feel like I'm not half done yet. But I think I might have said too much already.

I really hope I haven't offended anyone. That wasn't my point. In fact, I don't even care if no one responds to this at all. Because I know what I have believed. I aren't interested in other people's philosophy's on this matter. It's already settled in my soul...

God thought it. The prophet spoke it. I believe it. That settles it!

If nothing else, I got blessed just reading these quotes again. I haven't heard some of them for a few years, but they are all so real. Oh, this Message is so precious!

I think I'm going to start looking into Bible verses next, about this. Just for those that don't love reading quotes the way I do.

God bless you all. And remember, even if we disagree on doctrine, I still love you as my sisters & brothers in the body of Christ.

(PS. I'm sorry this is so long. Well... no, I'm not sorry. I just hope that it's not too long for some people to read. I actually just deleted some. Because this thing only allows for 10,000 characters, and I was more than 200 over. *grin*)

AMEN !!!!!

[already bought]

Azurity... Good research. Excellent post.




Jezz, Well stated.

The precendent for this is set in the following...

THE.FEAST.OF.THE.TRUMPETS_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-16 SUNDAY_ 64-0719M
33-1 Notice, now quickly Revelations 9 (under the Seventh Trumpet, their king is from the bottomless pits), and in Leviticus now, how perfect the interpretation is here with the Word, because (See?) immediately following the Pentecostal jubilee followed the day of an atonement. The order of the feast time, between the Pentecostal feast to the atonement, the sound of the Trumpets for the atonement was the Pentecostal feast, the long period of time.
Look, there was a long period of time between the Pentecostal feast to the calling of the--of the trump--the sounding of the Trumpets, the--the Trumpets to be sound, a long period of time. Frankly, it was fifty days from the--from the--from the Feast of Pentecost to the Feast of the Atonement, was fifty days. Now, fifty days is exactly seven sabbaths. And seven sabbaths is the seven church years--church ages. Get it? See, see?
THE.FEAST.OF.THE.TRUMPETS_ JEFF.IN V-3 N-16 SUNDAY_ 64-0719M
33-3 Now, the Jews has been blinded, waiting all this time, while the Pentecostal firstfruits has been poured out upon the church. And we've come down through the martyr ages, and down through the reformer ages, and now in the calling-out age, three sections, same Spirit, like Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, same One. See? But seven church ages, being seven sabbaths, exactly seven sabbaths from the--from the Pentecostal jubilee trumpet--a Pentecostal jubilee feast, until--the waving of the sheaf, and then the Pentecostal jubilee. And then from the jubilee to the atonement is seven sabbaths, fifty days. And at the end of the fifty days is--the atonement is made. You get it?



QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.1_ JEFF.IN COD SUNDAY_ 64-0823M
965-204 Like the other day, I got something mixed up; I happened to hear it, and it's... I caught it right there; and it's on the tape, and I--I'll probably hear from it. When I was talking about the Seven Trumpets, I said it was seven trumpets. I was referring to the Pentecostal feast. From the Pentecostal feast until the seven--until the--the Trumpets, there was seven Sabbaths. Seven Sabbaths was between the feast of Passover to Pentecost (you see?), which made the fifty days. See? But what I was referring to, being that, I said, "That means the Seven Church Ages."
On that tape (if you happen to get it or anything)--on that tape it should be, that the seventh month after that brought in the--the feast of the Trumpets, which meant the Seven Church Ages: seven months, not seven Sabbaths. Seven Sabbaths went to... I did explain it on there. I said the seven Sabbaths, like that, but then I carried that same thought on over, when it's the seventh month after the Feast of the Passover--or at the feast of--of Pentecost, then come the feast after the sheaf was brought in, waved. You see then--then... Remember there, the sheaf turns into a loaf of bread after that time. See? When the--the sheaf of--one sheaf, then all goes into one loaf. Oh, it's a great teaching there; I didn't touch the edge of it. But if you happen to catch that on your tape, remember, look in the Bible. You see, it's seven months after that. Count off seven months: January, February, March, April, May, June, July--it'd be July, seven months, which represents the full Seven Church Ages. Some minister might pick that up, and then you'd have it. You see there? All right.


but we also have to take into account....

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-3 {266} 23a. In Revelations verse 5 to 9, who are these found sing--singing when the Lamb takes the Book out of the--out of the... takes the book... Are--Oh, are these the raptured saints?
No, Revelations 6... 5 and 9, rather, no. If you notice, these are not the saints. He has never claimed His property yet. See? This is not the saints. If you notice, they're the elders and the beast, and they sing.
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-4 {268} Let's read it so that person... And then I'm going to try... I've got about half a dozen more here, and I think I can get them in few minutes. Let's see. Revelations 5:9. Now, let's read just a little bit before, so... The person now is honest about this and they want to know. Watch.
And when he had taken the--taken the book, the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps,... golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
And they sang a new song... (See, see?)..., saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open it.
See? Thou has redeemed us and made us priests and kings; that's the heavenly group, not yet the redeemed. All right. Now.
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
500-5 {269} 24. Brother Branham, if all the... (Now, just a moment. I guess what... Pardon me.) Brother Branham, if--if all the godly (Yeah.)--godly be taken up in the rapture, where will Elijah and the--and Moses come from?
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
501-1 {270} There's something wrong. There's something wrong. Now, that's just all there is to it. There's--there's something's happened. See? There's something that went wrong somewhere. Everybody feeling all right? There's no--there's no sickness or nothing? [A man in the congregation requests that Brother Branham read Revelation 5:9 again--Ed.] Let's see, Revelations, where was it, brother? 5... The... Oh, the question. Oh, the question I was answering. Now, let's see. "Thou..." [Continuation of Question 23--Ed.]
And when he had... the book, the four beasts and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints.
And they sang a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seal thereof: for thou has--wast slain,... (And here it is. Here it is. I was wrong on that. See?)... thou has redeemed us to God by the blood of every kindred,...
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
501-2 {271} That's right. Now, what do you think about that? Oh, if the Presence of the Holy Ghost isn't here, what is? He wouldn't let... See, I only read the first part of that verse. See, it's just--it's just a--or something wrote here, and I was trying to get through, looking at that clock. But you see Him stop me on that? Glory. I never read the other part of that. See, I got here: "and..." Look here. "And they--and they sang a new song," and I stopped. See? But look here, "the song they sang, saying, You have redeemed us out of every kindred, tongue, and nation." Sure, that's them. My, oh, my, oh, my. See it? And by the way, there's another question down here too.

.....



QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
502-2 {274} I just... It just felt like something just rolled over me there and said, "Go back; go back." And I thought, "Go back, what? Stop right now and start praying for the sick? What--what is it? What have I done?" And just as I started to reach for that, somebody said, "Read the verse over again." I read it over, and there at the bottom of this question, there it was (See?) Revelations 6.
See, I read the first; it does sound like it at the first (See?), "And they sang a new song..." But down here, see what it was? the next, coming on down, "has redeemed us." Sure it was the Bride, the raptured saints. Could you... And here... Certainly, the--the Lamb had the Book in His hand. He'd done left the Throne of mediatorial grace. See?
QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_ JEFF.IN SUNDAY_ 63-0324M
502-4 {275} You see how the Holy Spirit watches that? 'Cause exactly, that's the same thing I said the other night, when He had talked to me in the room, and I come down here and preached to you all: that when the Lamb left the place (Oh, my. Now, I believe we'll just take a text. See?)--the Lamb had left His seat and come forth (See?), as I got up there when He was present, that Light, which is Christ... When He was present, told... When the Lamb leaves that seat of the throne, to--being a Mediator, He becomes down here, and the day of redemption for the church is finished.



Truly with the Holy Spirit watching over things... we have nothing to fear. We can just believe.

Amen!!
I'm not saying this to just becuase I agree with this. I am not in any way trying to put any one down. Or make you lesser because you don't see eye to eye with me. I hope this dose not sound like I'm pushing my point down someones throut because thats not what I'm trying to do. And I don't mean to offend any one by this eather but if it dose it dose!
Thank-you Brother Trevor!! I was really botherd about this whole thing for a while there. And thank you for taking it back to the Word. That really means alot to me!!
Also thank you to God's child for posting this thread! I really really needed this!!

Net

[God'schild]

We're to close to the coming of the Lord to pick and chose what we want to believe.
And in so saying i will say that God will take a Bride that will believe everyword of what Bro:Branham said. Not a Bride that well he(Bro:Branham) made a mistake hear and he didn't mean what he said over here.. God won't take someone like that..

HIS BRIDE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING BRO:BRANHAM SAID.. GOD IS GOING TO HAVE A SPOTLESS, BLOOD WASHED BRIDE..

Don't mean to point fingers at anyone

as a sister in Christ
I love you guys all.

[AndrewMichael]

I have only one thing to say, I refuse to make Brother Branham my God. Yes, he was a prophet but my focus is on the Christ he revealed, not him.

Not to say this dissagrees with anything, but this is how I look at the Message.

[HotShot53]

And if Brother Branham made mistakes in the tapes what about the Bible?

The tapes and the Bible are different.. the Bible is the Absolute, it needs no reference point, and it is 100% correct... people have tried to prove the Bible is incorrect in scientific ways, and only prove it right. I don't care how many miracles or visions someone has, if they aren't preaching what the Bible says, they are a false prophet. Bro. Branham did preach what the Bible said, and was a true prophet. But a prophet is only led of God, they are not God.

[God'schild]

[quote=AndrewMichael]I have only one thing to say, I refuse to make Brother Branham my God. Yes, he was a prophet but my focus is on the Christ he revealed, not him.

quote]

I don't think no one is trying to make Bro:Branham as their God they belive that he was the mouth piece that God used..

Who was trying to make Bro:Branham their GOd?? I wasn't

IT'S very IMPORTANT that we believe EVERY WORD that Bro:Branham said. Because God through him spoke the word and Bro:Branham preached the BIBLE.

we should listen to the tapes and read the books

[HotShot53]

I don't think no one is trying to make Bro:Branham as their God they belive that he was the mouth piece that God used..

Who was trying to make Bro:Branham their GOd?? I wasn't

IT'S very IMPORTANT that we believe EVERY WORD that Bro:Branham said. Because God through him spoke the word and Bro:Branham preached the BIBLE.

we should listen to the tapes and read the books

Making Bro. Branham's word = God's word, can come too close to making Bro. Branham = God. I know that is not your intention, but that is how it can appear.

[joris]

The tapes and the Bible are different.. the Bible is the Absolute, it needs no reference point, and it is 100% correct...I agree here; just remember Branham kept saying just check it yourself with the bible, right?
Branham did not add to the bible, right? great, then it's all backed up by the bible... :)

[BroTrevor]

Making Bro. Branham's word = God's word, can come too close to making Bro. Branham = God. I know that is not your intention, but that is how it can appear.

Except for everything we have recorded of Paul saying is God's Word. And somehow we don't have issues with "making Paul = God"

??

[AgapZoe]

I agree here; just remember Branham kept saying just check it yourself with the bible, right?
Branham did not add to the bible, right? great, then it's all backed up by the bible... :)


Oh yeah..I like this! Very true!

[Unregistered]

Making Bro. Branham's word = God's word, can come too close to making Bro. Branham = God. I know that is not your intention, but that is how it can appear.

Isn't a prophet God to the people anyhow?

[azurity]

Azurity... Good research. Excellent post.


Bro Trevor, I feel like I've just got a mark for a high school assignment... shessshh!!

So, so much I could say.

This last topic... man, so many scriptures & quotes coming to mind!

But I think I'll just let it go. Let you guys keep on talking it out.

[AndrewMichael]

Except for everything we have recorded of Paul saying is God's Word. And somehow we don't have issues with "making Paul = God"

??

Paul, Peter, Luke, all the writers of the New Testament were still adding to the Old Testament, fulfilling God's complete Word. Brother Branham did not do this, he RESTORED to the original faith. After Revelation was written, God's Word was complete and therefore could not be added to, thus everything Brother Branham preached was to restore us to that faith MUST be the Bible, or we have obtained a false conclusion. Even the seven seals were already revealed (John was told NOT to write what he heard in the seven thunders) but God allowed His people to know the revelation, and it still had nothing to do with the prophet. The prophet is a mirror to Christ, and yeah its a really good mirror, but I still look to Christ.

[azurity]

The prophet is a mirror to Christ, and yeah its a really good mirror, but I still look to Christ.
Where / how do you see Christ?

[AndrewMichael]

Where / how do you see Christ?

The Message was sent to reveal Christ in His fullness, not exalt another man.

[azurity]

Sorry brother, I meant it as a discussion question, not as defence.

Today, how does each one of us personally see Christ?

[BroTrevor]

The prophet is a mirror to Christ, and yeah its a really good mirror, but I still look to Christ.

I look to Christ too!!

So, if anyone is really thinking somehow that I don't look to Christ. We have one example on how to live, that's Jesus.

The line that's being discussed here is obviously a very fine line. No one here believes Bro Branham is God (at least, I don't think so...)

So, you believe Bro Branham restored us back to the faith, well...gladly so, he also came to reveal all the mysteries.

What I really don't understand is, how do you differentiate between where Bro Branham was right and where He was wrong. I really think that's the key player in this discussion.

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Those on one "side" of this discussion saying that they believe everything Bro Branham said, I think, are merely saying "He was a prophet... He spoke the Word of the Lord. We listen to every Word he had to say. If He was correctly vindicated, then obviously He's of God, and obviously He's speaking for God."

Those on the other "side" of this discussion seem to be saying that "Yes, He was a prophet, but you still have to check Him by the Word. He wasn't a perfect man, because only Jesus Christ was perfect."

Seems like one side is just trying to say, we believe everything He said, and the other side is saying, but wait He's a man, so you can't necessarily believe everything He said. So again, it comes back down to, how do you tell what He said was right, or wrong?

And it could go round and round.

SO I propose the following statements.

1) Bro Branham was a prophet
2) Bro Branham was not God
3) Bro Branham had the Word of the Lord for our day.
4) If we don't listen to what He had to say, we're going to miss the restoration of faith.

So, if you can say Amen to those statements, and the person on the "other viewpoint side" can... then are we really that far away from each other??

Seems like there's a really really small gap here, (if any) and people are freaking out about it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is... look at where you are compared to the other guy.

Side A thinks side B is picking and choosing. I really don't think they are doing that. (If they are, then I disagree with them.)

Side B thinks side A is making Bro Branham God, and blindly following. I really don't think they are. (if they are, I disagree with them.)

Side B, are you really picking and choosing? My guess is we're saying amen to the same things every time we listen to the same tapes.

Side A, are you blindly following because you've been taught that? or because the Holy Spirit is revealing things to you?


Finally, I'd like to end with a quote out of the church age book.

340-3 LAODICEAN.CHURCH.AGE - CHURCH.AGE.BOOK CPT.9
Now He has cried out to this last age, "You have the Word. You have more Bibles than ever, but you are not doing anything about the Word except dividing and hacking it into pieces, taking what you want and leaving out what you don't want. You are not interested in LIVING it, but debating it. I would sooner you were cold or hot. If you were cold and rejected it, I could stand that. If you would get white hot to know its truth and live it, I would praise you for that. But when you simply take My Word and don't honor it, I in return must refuse to honor you. I will spue you out for you nauseate Me."

Are we living this Word? Or debating it??

Now, log off and go pray.. For yourself, and for those whom you think disagree with you. Pray sincerely, because if they are wrong, I tell you they do not wish to be any more than you.


<smile>

[AndrewMichael]

Are we living this Word? Or debating it??

<smile>

The exact reason why I contemplated even posting...

[God'schild]

Isn't a prophet God to the people anyhow?

You got a point there...

Didn't Jesus say you were all little god's??

[ABC]

azurity, great post, all I can say about is AMEN! :bigsmile:
It was also so similar to my thoughts of my personal experience of the Message of Hour. :)

[JoeC]

I TIMOTHY 1:4-7

4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

5 ¶ Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

I believe that this discussion has gone outside the purpose of this medium. Both viewpoints have been discussed well and I do not see further conversation generating godly edification.

I am closing this thread down tonight. If you feel inclined to make closing comments, please do so before 11 PM EST. If you still have questions after that, please meditate on the topic and try asking your pastor. God bless!

[azurity]

When is 11pm EST? I'm in Eastern Standard Time, too... but I think it isn't the same thing!

Bro Trevor, great post. Thanks so much.

I had decided that I wasn't going to say anything more, but I'm glad Bro Trevor said what he did.

God bless you all as you continue to grow in Him!

[God'schild]

I should say that i'm really sorry that i started the thread i shouldn't have done it. i didn't want it to end up in a debate. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
I didn't mean to force my beliefs on anyone or my standard on anyone.
AGAIN PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

[already bought]

I just want to say thankyou brother Trevor for what you said.
Also to any one that thought I was trying to put you down or any thing I was not. That was not my intentions.
You know we might never agree on every thing but aren't we all striving to serve Christ better, Serve Him more?
Even though we don't always agree and no body will ever agree all the time. That dose not mean I think any less of you or that you are not my brother or sister any more. Like in a family you will disagree and well they are still your family even after the disagreement.
Well I think I have said enough.

[HotShot53]

Hmm... it's now 2 hours past Joe's deadline, and the thread still isn't closed, so I guess I'll close it now.

Amen to what Bro. Trevor said.

[JoeC]

I should say that i'm really sorry that i started the thread i shouldn't have done it. i didn't want it to end up in a debate. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
I didn't mean to force my beliefs on anyone or my standard on anyone.
AGAIN PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

There's nothing to forgive. I really don't think it was a debate, more reason giving on either side. I merely felt that both sides had put forth their reasons and there was nothing more to say.

HotShot, thanks for picking the ball up on this one.

Everyone, have a great weekend. God bless